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gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

grab a number get in line and wait your turn to join the kiss my rear end club, rabbi!

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

A good wank is supposed to be good for sleep but it just make me hyper. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Stop putting stuff up your urethra

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

OwlFancier posted:

Given this thread's predilections I assume that while you're probably not doing it wrong, it's probably more invigorating than soporific.

*subtly nudges belt back under bed with foot*

yeah maybe

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

It’s like the Hillary Clinton - Donald Trump situation, where if there was absolutely any Tory PM except for Boris Johnson , this chief rabbi thing might have legs, but lol everyone knows Hillary and Bojo are super-dodgy with abysmal personal ratings to match

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Pistol_Pete posted:

Its kinda heartening that the top rated Guardian comments are all calling this out as the blatantly politically co-ordinated attack that it is.

Also lol at him saying that this isn't about proceedures (which are quantifiable) but about hearts and leadership (which can't be quantified).

Call me Mrs Dim but I can't find any articles in the Graun on this with comments open. Have you got a link please?

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
Hey folks, as some people have pointed out this is the last day of voter registration. It would be really great if we can all push that message out on every avenue we can: Facebook, Twitter, the Gram, work, friends, whatever. This is our final chance to get as many left-inclined voters eligible as we can :D

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
You can even do it via the medium of the may mays the kids use now.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

There are other things you could try (if you were the OP on this topic):
polyphasic sleeping - just sleep when you're tired whenever that might be - obviously doesn't work too well if you have to go to work.
biphasic sleeping - fair bit of research to say this was the NORMAL pattern back in the olden days - people would sleep for a while, then get up for a couple of hours, read, go round friends, whatever, then go back to bed for the rest of their sleep.

It's overstating it to say segmented sleep used to be normal - historians and scientists are still divided on the issue, see https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/37xksx/how_accepted_is_the_theory_that_most_humans/ Some people naturally tend to segmented sleep, but others do and did sleep a single time - it's also different in high latitude soceties like Britain and places nearer the Equator. It used to be more common though, for sure.

But sleep quality and people not getting enough sleep due to electronics is definetly a thing - I had to nag my gf into actually getting 7-8 hours sleep instead of the 6 she was used to, and once she relented she did say it helped and made her feel better.

Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Nov 26, 2019

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

OwlFancier posted:

Wonderful image of a wee angry communist squatting in a hovel in london furiously wanking because he can't think of anything else to do.

Wankers of the world, throw off your chains!

Unless keeping them on is your kink :pervert:

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Everybody should read the book Why We Sleep, get it for Christmas

Oh, is it boring enough to help? ;)


My sympathy to the sleepless. I've been there, and I sometimes find myself there again :(

Overminty
Mar 16, 2010

You may wonder what I am doing while reading your posts..

I've just spent the last 4 days in the same house as my 10 month old nephew who looks to have a new tooth coming through.

I'll never take sleep for granted again.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Braggart posted:

Oh, is it boring enough to help? ;)
:golfclap:

Braggart posted:

My sympathy to the sleepless. I've been there, and I sometimes find myself there again :(
Me too. I call it 'being awake'.

malk83
Sep 3, 2008

My partner has suffered with sleep problems for years and finally got referred to a specialist sleep clinic in London - they've confirmed a diagnosis of Delayed Phase Sleep Disorder, which literally means her body clock is set later than the average. She gets the same problems as some of you where left to her own devices she sleeps just fine, only from 5AM to mid-afternoon, and finally found a doctor who referred her rather than just talking about caffeine and screen time.

Melatonin has a real and measurable effect at moving her sleeping hours forward if it's taken late in the evening about an hour before the desired bedtime, it's needed literally every night and can only move them forward so far but it's still an improvement - about 3 hours earlier in her case but it's really variable between individuals. There's no 100% fix unfortunately according to the specialist, so once you find the limits of the melatonin you just have to accept that those are the hours you keep.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

i love sleep, but i either sleep like the dead and don't wake up for alarms or when my insomnia rolls around i can't sleep at all, no middle ground

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
Melatonin gives me insane, feverish sleep/dreams, even at the lowest dosage I could get my hands on. It sucks, because it sounds like a wonder supplement for people it works on

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Overminty posted:

I've just spent the last 4 days in the same house as my 10 month old nephew who looks to have a new tooth coming through.

I'll never take sleep for granted again.

My second kid is 6 months old and my first has never slept well due to apnea and other stuff. Also having small kids means my only gaming time is after they and my wife have all gone to bed. As a result I get ridiculously little sleep and am constantly cranky, but on the plus side I can drop off in 10 seconds flat.

I've noticed significant improvement in my overall mood since I accidentally ran a surge through my motherboard last week. gently caress you if you think I'm giving up gaming long term though!

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Drugs are weird.

When I was on citalopram I had intense dreams that I was being chased by the wreckage of a car crash I was in years ago. I'd just be dreaming about normal poo poo and then there'd be this scraping, and the radiator hissing out its steam, and it'd be there just following me from the distance blinking its amber lights at me.

In my waking I started to get the terrified feeling I had in the dream, like it's there. And this medication was supposed to improve my mental health?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Barry Foster posted:

Melatonin gives me insane, feverish sleep/dreams, even at the lowest dosage I could get my hands on. It sucks, because it sounds like a wonder supplement for people it works on

Same, but I learned to enjoy them

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Azza Bamboo posted:

Drugs are weird.

When I was on citalopram I had intense dreams that I was being chased by the wreckage of a car crash I was in years ago. I'd just be dreaming about normal poo poo and then there'd be this scraping, and the radiator hissing out its steam, and it'd be there just following me from the distance blinking its amber lights at me.

In my waking I started to get the terrified feeling I had in the dream, like it's there. And this medication was supposed to improve my mental health?

I'm imagining the hosed up Winkies Diner scene from Mulholland Dr., but it's a car waiting in the alley rather than an old garbage lady

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Maugrim posted:

My second kid is 6 months old and my first has never slept well due to apnea and other stuff. Also having small kids means my only gaming time is after they and my wife have all gone to bed. As a result I get ridiculously little sleep and am constantly cranky, but on the plus side I can drop off in 10 seconds flat.

I've noticed significant improvement in my overall mood since I accidentally ran a surge through my motherboard last week. gently caress you if you think I'm giving up gaming long term though!

I wouldn’t typically recommend homebrew electroconvulsive therapy, but maybe I should?

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Failed Imagineer posted:

I'm imagining the hosed up Winkies Diner scene from Mulholland Dr., but it's a car waiting in the alley rather than an old garbage lady

fact check: it was actually a troll. i give you FOUR pinocchios mr sanders!

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Failed Imagineer posted:

Same, but I learned to enjoy them

I mean I wouldn't mind if I woke up feeling rested, as opposed to, well, a shallow feverish sleep full of hosed up dreams

Honestly there's not a lot I wouldn't tolerate if I woke up rested. I'd bleed out the eyes every morning or have all my fingernails fall out if I could wake up rested

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Maugrim posted:

My second kid is 6 months old and my first has never slept well due to apnea and other stuff. Also having small kids means my only gaming time is after they and my wife have all gone to bed. As a result I get ridiculously little sleep and am constantly cranky, but on the plus side I can drop off in 10 seconds flat.

I've noticed significant improvement in my overall mood since I accidentally ran a surge through my motherboard last week. gently caress you if you think I'm giving up gaming long term though!

Mines 3.5 now, and has been sleeping through the night for about a year - but yeah, my only gaming time is 30-40mins in the evening (depending on if I'm putting him to bed or not) or how ever much time I get in the morning before he wakes.
Hence I get up at 4 am to game for a couple of hours. (I'm in bed by 9 though) - I've always been an early bird, but having kids has pushed that to the extreme.

his teeth came through no issues. when he first went to the dentist she said "oh, he's got two coming through right now" and we didn't even notice.

Ziggy Tzardust
Apr 7, 2006
Chiming into sleep chat to say that citalopram gives me crazy nightmares which have led to me not sorting properly for nearly a year. The only way I can lessen (rather than get rid of) them is by having a spliff before bed. And that's not exactly a sustainable solution

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Guavanaut posted:

Me too. I call it 'being awake'.

So do the rest of the sheep, man. :smug:

floofyscorp
Feb 12, 2007

My sleep has been all over the place since starting sertraline but I'm really enjoying the dreams at least. I've always dreamed a lot but now I have cool intense dreams every night.

Could do without the night sweats though. That's just gross.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Ziggy Tzardust posted:

Chiming into sleep chat to say that citalopram gives me crazy nightmares which have led to me not sorting properly for nearly a year. The only way I can lessen (rather than get rid of) them is by having a spliff before bed. And that's not exactly a sustainable solution
At least it's a renewable solution v:shobon:v

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
:hai:

https://twitter.com/robdelaney/status/1199283576572960768?s=19

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Ziggy Tzardust posted:

Chiming into sleep chat to say that citalopram gives me crazy nightmares which have led to me not sorting properly for nearly a year. The only way I can lessen (rather than get rid of) them is by having a spliff before bed. And that's not exactly a sustainable solution

Oh. I think maybe I get that effect somewhat.

Been on it for 18 months. It certainly improved things for me, but I have been wondering if I should come off it at some point, and I do get nightmares.

:thunk:

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Chiming in as former Insomniac Champion of the World 1997-2012.

I saw a vitamin D recommendation, while an important supplement, it can cause wakefulness so don't take it at night.

The biggest things that gently caress with sleep/circadian rhythms is alcohol, smoking, sedative effect type drugs, dehydration, eating late or having insulin resistance and exposure to blue light all day errrday until bedtime. Too hot a bedroom or not dark enough a bedroom can hinder as well. Stress is of course a massive loving hindrance to sleep and you obviously can't just wish that poo poo away.

Exercising regularly, no caffeine after midday and having all my lights/screens gradually shift temperature towards the red and white noise when I settle down made the biggest differences to my sleep. It took a few weeks to get to a decent schedule, I sorted the above things then just wound myself through the clock an hour for a couple of weeks before I was settling down around 10pm pretty reliably (later at weekends with a permitted lie in until 11am or so). Heavy weight exercise in particular helps big time with stress levels.

ZMA supplements an hour before bed can help and give me very trippy/interesting dreams.

e: Oh yeah, echoing that I too have had some loving bizarre dreams and nightmares on citalopram and when I tried champix for quitting smoking.

Dramak
May 15, 2013

floofyscorp posted:

My sleep has been all over the place since starting sertraline but I'm really enjoying the dreams at least. I've always dreamed a lot but now I have cool intense dreams every night.

Could do without the night sweats though. That's just gross.

The night sweats are the absolute worst and there's nothing you can really do. I remember wanting to sleep a LOT on sertraline but it was never particularly restful.

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

https://twitter.com/DFxAngelz/status/1199284341446193152

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
So I went doorstepping for the first time a few days ago and it was surprisingly fun!

Labour stronghold so it was friendly territory anyway, I guess. Anyway, anti-semetism came up once, but from someone who said she was probably gonna vote labour anyway, so we didn't discuss it. But it did make me think how I probably wouldn't be able to respond effectively to someone more worried by it.

So I've whipped up a cribsheet which I hope will help convert some people, a single page I can hand out when doorstepping: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SBz9rLDLHOymIZ2S9JQFm3b1tW6D_XIZhVt9rTG2pgQ/edit?usp=sharing

It's a hugely complicated issue and just not really practical to tackle on the doorstep (and takes time away from hitting more doors) so I reckon it's worth having this in my back pocket.

Suggestions for edits welcome?

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

It's racism

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
It only took, what, nine years? for the academics to catch up with the rest of the country in thinking that austerity is a bit poo poo.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
loving hell

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1199092097133006851

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
Found out I can do leafleting today instead of canvassing which is good considering I can hardly string sentences together today and a dead eyed monotone irritable zombie probably isn't the door to door probably isn't the most inspiring contact one could gave with The Labour Party

OzyMandrill
Aug 12, 2013

Look upon my words
and despair

I get night sweats from auto-immune stuff, and what finally dealt with it was switching to a 2 tog bed-spread instead of a duvet (Ikea do a good one), and occasionally a light blanket on top. Anything more than that and I sweat like a bastard (while feeling chilled). Takes a bit of getting used to, but can stop your body going into sweat mode while you sleep.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Barry Foster posted:

dead eyed monotone irritable zombie

*that picture of ed milliband*

*no, not the sandwich one*

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

Compare this with jam man who wanted to talk to the man screaming at him about the scarf before being dragged away by his press team.

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Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Azza Bamboo posted:

It only took, what, nine years? for the academics to catch up with the rest of the country in thinking that austerity is a bit poo poo.

They have been saying its poo poo for ages.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/its-official-austerity-economics-doesnt-work
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/27/austerity-policies-do-more-harm-than-good-imf-study-concludes

There is just this weird myth that the Tories are good with the economy that a lot of people just accept, even by some people who don't like the tories. It boggles the mind.

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