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They were mandatory for my 9th grade calculus class in 1993 and for literally every math class I took in college. (Shut up. I had no life.) Texas Instruments has a well-oiled shakedown going with universities and highschools, all the curriculums and tests for anything more advanced than basic arithmetic call for TI calculators by name and often model - at least they did in the 1990s, and I assume it is worse now.
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The worst part is that TI calculators suck loving rear end, Casio fx-115es 'til I die bitch
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Lol if you didn't use your calculator exclusively to play snake and drug lord
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Sherman wept.
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Kesper North posted:They were mandatory for my 9th grade calculus class in 1993 and for literally every math class I took in college. (Shut up. I had no life.) otoh, lol if you didn't figure out how to write programs to cheat on tests and store them in non-volatile memory so that you could "wipe" your calculator and just restore it from backup
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Jarmak posted:What the gently caress does a high school kid need with a TI-83? I got one (well the 84) for engineering school and still was pretty much a convenience not a necessity 95% of the time. As has been stated, national standardized tests require them and expect that it's a TI specifically. I never used mine after high school and that includes engineering physics and calculus in college. All I ever needed was a scientific calculator. The exceptions were specific assignments that we were required to use lab computers with Mathematica on them. I have never needed a graphing calculator except for test questions that were written to specifically need it. It's a complete scam, but teachers can't refuse to participate because the national testing companies are too powerful.
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hobbesmaster posted:You can take up to calculus 2 in some high schools as well as calculus based physics. You shouldn’t use a calculator at all in calc 2. Calc 2 is where you lean how to do every function of a calculator by hand.
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Nov 26, 2019 12:30
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Look at all these fuckin' nerds who did math and poo poo.
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Students should learn how to do all of their math in excel. They’ll still learn how to punch a calculator and it’ll be a skill that’s 100% more likely to be relevant after school.
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There is a tremendous amount of value, if you are going to actually use a lot of calculus in your profession, that you understand the underlying principles. Using a calculator or excel will not teach you any of that. Calculators should be used only to enhance math education.
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Nov 26, 2019 13:40
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So make it relevant to the college major. As an accounting major I didn’t need to know sin and cos and it would have been infinitely more helpful to the beginning stages of my career to have a more comprehensive excel background. I need to know the how’s and why’s of excel, not calculus.
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colachute posted:Students should learn how to do all of their math in excel. They’ll still learn how to punch a calculator and it’ll be a skill that’s 100% more likely to be relevant after school. realtalk this 1000% excel is my biggest weakness
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The only excel function you need to know is how to make that red box green hua?
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colachute posted:So make it relevant to the college major. For accounting, yes. That’s why accountants rarely need more than business calc. For engineering, econometrics, physics, computer science, and other such fields, a more fundamental understanding of calculus is necessary.
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big boy getting things done because hes PRESIDENTIAL
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Mr. Nice! posted:For accounting, yes. That’s why accountants rarely need more than business calc. How about a middle ground: teach the fundamentals, but instead of introducing calculators to bolster the education, you use excel — which I was trying to get at originally.
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My wife's a hs math teacher and when she told me how much those were still going for I knew there was some bullshit going on. All other tech from the time I was in high school would sell for fractions of a cent. colachute posted:Students should learn how to do all of their math in excel. They'll still learn how to punch a calculator and it'll be a skill that's 100% more likely to be relevant after school. poo poo, I run my own software consulting business and I wish I'd been taught that way. I can't think of a time anything I've done required more advanced math than algebra but I get asked to create stupid reports in excel all the time and I'm always googling to remember how to do things. Of course I'm glad I have the knowledge of higher level math but this is a lot more practical.
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Excel is loving terrible for serious math. Also it just replaces one proprietary solution with another. I mostly use MATLAB which is great but that's hilariously exclusive once you get out of academics, thousands to tens of thousands dollar a year exclusive. Supposedly numpy is a pretty good frer alternative I'll have to look into.
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colachute posted:How about a middle ground: teach the fundamentals, but instead of introducing calculators to bolster the education, you use excel — which I was trying to get at originally. Excel is limited in what it can do. Yes, all accounting and adjacent business/finance people need to know excel. The people that go further need more advanced tools. Also not every school has a computer per student.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Excel is limited in what it can do. Yes, all accounting and adjacent business/finance people need to know excel. The people that go further need more advanced tools. You can keep adding qualifiers to why it won’t work, but excel impacts such a huge number of jobs that it should be more integrated into education.
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Gonna use my TI-83 to calculate how many people are gonna die from climate change because whoooooooweeeee we are hosed quote:Should that pace continue, scientists say, the result could be widespread, catastrophic effects: Coral reefs, already dying in some places, would probably dissolve in increasingly acidic oceans. Some coastal cities, already wrestling with flooding, would be constantly inundated by rising seas. In much of the world, severe heat, already intense, could become unbearable. https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...climate-change/
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We don't need to teach Excel in math class but we should be teaching probability and statistics before calculus. I have an MS in geology and I needed statistics more than calculus, but was far less proficient because it's not emphasized. Every branch of science uses statistics. Very few actual professionals are going to sit down and work out differential equations by hand.
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colachute posted:You can keep adding qualifiers to why it won’t work, but excel impacts such a huge number of jobs that it should be more integrated into education. Agreed. I work in a job that requires pouring through massive amounts of primary source documents for a history research product, and I use excel daily. Like power user levels of use, not just data entry. Prior to that, I was working on statistical tables based on gov data, which also called for excel. I realize working in DC skews things a bit, but that also seems to be the norm everywhere else. Looking back, I would have been far better served by my primary schooling if they took the time to teach us core Excel concepts. I remember my first internship having to bumblefuck my way through using Excel because no one had thought to teach me anything with it. I'm lucky in that I've always had a knack for computer touching and I know how to figure out most problems in excel using one simple formula Literally googling the problem with the word "solution" tacked on to it
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Also looks like we’re going to need another Patreon so we can hire the A-Team for the Tax Man so he can get his daughter back. 
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colachute posted:You can keep adding qualifiers to why it won’t work, but excel impacts such a huge number of jobs that it should be more integrated into education. im with cole on this, yes its another proprietary solution but one that carries on to so much else.
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Too bad you fat cross-eyed sack of poo poo. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/25/sarah-sanders-i-dont-like-being-called-liar/ quote:Sarah Sanders: ‘I don’t like being called a liar’ That Works fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Also looks like we’re going to need another Patreon so we can hire the A-Team for the Tax Man so he can get his daughter back. What's Liam Neeson doing these days? Oh and hey the world is hosed good to know.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Gonna use my TI-83 to calculate how many people are gonna die from climate change because whoooooooweeeee we are hosed If global warming is real then why am I cold today? Sounds like greedy scientists and whiney zoomers to me
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I've taken Excel about as far as I can take it with my job. My workbooks are a horrendous mess by the time some of our bigger projects are done. That's why I'm learning Pandas now.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Gonna use my TI-83 to calculate how many people are gonna die from climate change because whoooooooweeeee we are hosed I'm just glad the rich are going to get richer
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Yes, why wasn't the centennial of women's suffrage not earlier in history???  BigDave posted:What's Liam Neeson doing these days? Last I heard, some disturbingly racist remarks
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Thump! posted:Last I heard, some disturbingly racist remarks He's gonna become a FN contributor any day now
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AlexanderCA posted:Excel is loving terrible for serious math. Also it just replaces one proprietary solution with another. for all the useless proprietary crap forced on students in the interest of profit margins, excel is solidly in the category of "real-world relevance." even a basic familiarity with excel and the ability to google the rest puts someone ahead of their peers for a huge sampling of jobs, especially entry-level stuff. teaching excel and word skills should come right alongside teaching basic financial planning, budgeting, and... 
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how does this help us in football
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We modeled jet engines in Excel in one of my aero classes lol It was impressive how much we could do with just a Calculus add-in.
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Thump! posted:Yes, why wasn't the centennial of women's suffrage not earlier in history??? There's a way to interpret that as an intentional joke/comment that women should have gotten the vote much earlier. It's just... not plausible coming from him.
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