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AccountSupervisor posted:https://gen.medium.com/damon-lindelof-heard-some-hard-truths-in-the-watchmen-writer-s-room-24101b6c11b7 I would love to hear how the different writer's relationship to the original Watchmen influenced their writing. I wonder if any of the writers disliked the original. That would really interest me. I love Watchmen, but I also love reading about what people didn't like about it.
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Also one thing I'm noticing about the original is how Moore intended it partly as an anti-Reaganism work, and at the same time Nixon is portrayed...in kind of muted ways? He obviously won a third term, but the sequences showing him in the war room etc portray him as fairly competent and intelligent. Don't know what, if anything, to make of that.
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Xanderkish posted:Also one thing I'm noticing about the original is how Moore intended it partly as an anti-Reaganism work, and at the same time Nixon is portrayed...in kind of muted ways? He obviously won a third term, but the sequences showing him in the war room etc portray him as fairly competent and intelligent. Don't know what, if anything, to make of that. He literally put Nixon in the white house in his universe because literally every person in America would think 'wait nixon is corrupt. We should not like this obv.' If he put Reagan in power a bunch of idiots would go "Hey get your politics out of my comic book." Weird how literally nothing changes.
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Nov 26, 2019 18:35
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Bread Set Jettison posted:He literally put Nixon in the white house in his universe because literally every person in America would think 'wait nixon is corrupt. We should not like this obv.' If he put Reagan in power a bunch of idiots would go "Hey get your politics out of my comic book." Oh yeah, I get that. It's just the finer details of how he's portrayed that are interesting to me. If you didn't know about who Nixon was, he'd come across as a fairly generic president in the comic. Which obviously would be a bizarre context to read the comic in, but still, it's interesting to me.
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Xanderkish posted:I would love to hear how the different writer's relationship to the original Watchmen influenced their writing. I wonder if any of the writers disliked the original. That would really interest me. I love Watchmen, but I also love reading about what people didn't like about it. I know that Cord Jefferson had zero knowledge of the comic before Lindelof hired him. Vulture just ran an interview with him where they talk about, well everything, including comparing Watchmen to his other job, writing for The Good Place.
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Nov 26, 2019 18:42
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*Watches scene with a black man being beaten and nearly lynched by his white co-workers* "Yeah ok, but when is this show gonna have any examples of real racism?"
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Nov 26, 2019 19:04
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grate deceiver posted:Yea, but the main POV character is also a cop, Looking Glass is a cop, Laurie is a cop, HJ was a cop, so I get the feeling that the message is "ok guys, some cops may be bad, but some are good too, it's complicated!". In other words some dumb lib poo poo that completely sidesteps systemic critique. Guy A. Person posted:*sees 3 white cops drag two lynched bodies behind their car to intimidate a black colleague* That was a stunning shot. The difference between black and white shots and then color shots composited in the same scene, and then contrasted with the American Hero Story being in full color all helps convey whats truth, whats not, and when several truth elements are combined, like with the cop car draging bodies its just some powerful rear end symbolism and imagery. My gf gasped and she is super critical of white cis male written stories or overly so representative stories and according to her the show is good duck trucker posted:*Watches scene with a black man being beaten and nearly lynched by his white co-workers*
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Nov 26, 2019 19:10
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Big time lol at this connection https://www.vox.com/2019/11/25/20981767/watchmen-episode-6-fred-trump-recap and another good ep breakdown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOOK7igXRwk
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Nov 26, 2019 19:11
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Because of the A.V. Club post I looked up the book Anatomy of A Lynching, and the story of Claude Neal. We don't deserve to exist. Jesus Christ.
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Nov 26, 2019 19:14
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I just want to have a scene with the center of the universe in it before the show's over.
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Nov 26, 2019 19:25
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Can someone post the latest peteypedia files? I can’t access them in sweden
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Nov 26, 2019 19:29
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CAROL posted:Can someone post the latest peteypedia files? I can’t access them in sweden Incognito window, remove cookies, etc. There's a post a few pages ago that expounds on this I think?
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Nov 26, 2019 19:34
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Can we trust Laurie's report that Angela was narrating out loud all the stuff she was seeing in her nostalgia coma? If that's the case then why did she ask her to blink? Just seemed kinda wierd. It was on Petey pedia
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CAROL posted:Can someone post the latest peteypedia files? I can’t access them in sweden https://www.reddit.com/r/Watchmen/comments/e1wmx8/alternative_way_to_reach_peteypedia/f8s4979/ This Reddit post has direct links to the various Peteypedia files. I am in Denmark, and they work for me  .
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KoRMaK posted:Can we trust Laurie's report that Angela was narrating out loud all the stuff she was seeing in her nostalgia coma?
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Nov 26, 2019 19:45
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I think a fair number of people who watch the traffic stop scene (and a LOT of people who hear about it second hand) think the show is saying two lovely things: 1. "I don't hear you whiny liberals complain when a BLACK police officer targets a WHITE MAN." 2. "Putting restrictions on police use of force gets officers killed. Blue Lives Matter!" And in isolation, the scene itself doesn't give much room for argument. In the context of nearly the entire rest of the show so far, it's a thematically appropriate inciting incident for a story about the past and present of authority and accountability, of law and order in America, and how yes, it is about race. It's obviously about race. It has always been about race. This is made clear with deadly seriousness in the show's depiction of the Tulsa massacre, the previous and first scene of the show. But it is also made clear once again in the following scene, this time with levity, by way of an all-black production of Oklahoma.
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Nov 26, 2019 19:55
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Oh its this one https://www.hbo.com/content/dam/hbodata/series/watchmen/peteypedia/06/blake-memo-actual-work.pdfquote:Writing this from the field office in Tulsa (yes, they wear cowboy boots here) and need your Second question, can we trust that the nostalgia were from real memories and not somehow manufactured memories?
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Nov 26, 2019 19:57
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Wanna see Luber Duder save Looking Glass from the KKKKKKK, shiny bros gotta look out for each other. I'm imagining a Home Alone-esque scenario where they all start comically sliding around on a well-lubed floor, shooting each other in the process, like a loving brutal 3 stooges routine. Or they get to the door and can't open it because the knob is greased up.
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SimonChris posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Watchmen/comments/e1wmx8/alternative_way_to_reach_peteypedia/f8s4979/ Thanks!
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Martman posted:Is the description under your avatar just a coincidence? If so, amazing. Actually the first line of Zhukov's in Death Of Stalin, which you should watch if you haven't. The1ManMoshPit posted:I had the same problem. Delete your cookies for HBO (or open an incognito window) and go straight to the Peteypedia page. It will take you to a page asking to go to the HBO.ca site or continue to HBO.com instead, pick the HBO.com one. For whatever reason the content isn't mirrored on HBO.ca. That worked perfectly. I think everything has been organized. The traffic stop was set up to get the black cop shot, so they'd go after the group at the farm, which would cause the police to go nuts and start rounding up people who they only suspect are 7k which will swell their numbers because gently caress the police for coming to my home and forcing me to admit to being racist. The Lettuce in the truck was a breadcrumb because they wanted to get Looking Glass to find out about the Squid so they could use him. The death of Judd did throw a monkey wrench into things, but Keene was able to roll with it, just like with the attempted kidnapping being foiled by Laurie. 7k members probably had no idea what Judd was one of them, or that he was working with Keene. They probably just think they're doing this to get back at the blacks and the cops they don't think are racist enough. Keene is using them as a tool to make himself a hero so can become president, Judd actually thought he was mitigating the 7k actions on the other hand. Probably still being used. Though all of this is probably unrelated to Trieu's plan. She may be aware of Keene's plan and is working on trying to prevent it, or maybe she's unaware and there's just so many plots on going on at the same time.
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graham cracker posted:Wanna see Luber Duder save Looking Glass from the KKKKKKK, shiny bros gotta look out for each other. I am cry laughing imagining all of this and Id just like to say thank you. This is a quality post. LubeMan sliding around gunning people down in a John Wick/Max Payne-esque fashion NEEDS to happen.
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Nov 26, 2019 20:21
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Lubeman needs to dramatically pull out twin lubersoakers from his back and just spray everywhere.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I think a fair number of people who watch the traffic stop scene (and a LOT of people who hear about it second hand) think the show is saying two lovely things: This is what I worried about after the first episode and I'm so so glad to have been totally wrong.
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AccountSupervisor posted:I am cry laughing imagining all of this and Id just like to say thank you. This is a quality post.  I see you too are a person of refined style and taste. I'm pretty gangster myself. graham cracker fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 21:28
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This show misses the point of the comic. thread: What was the point of the comic?? Well, there were weirdos, and a blue guy!! And there was definitely a point!
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twistedmentat posted:7k members probably had no idea what Judd was one of them, or that he was working with Keene. They probably just think they're doing this to get back at the blacks and the cops they don't think are racist enough. Keene is using them as a tool to make himself a hero so can become president, Judd actually thought he was mitigating the 7k actions on the other hand. Probably still being used. Is there any evidence outside of the fact that he was personable (plenty of racists are friendly, and you can think individuals are fine people and not the whole) to assume that Judd was good? He kept his grandfather's robes for a reason. I don't see any reason to believe that he wasn't consciously using the threat of white supremacy to justify enacting fascist policy. fancy stats fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Nov 27, 2019 |
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Martman posted:This show misses the point of the comic. Right? It's like, Why do all of these new SO CALLED heroes of have flaws? So cops are good now because the the heroes are portrayed as running black ops sites? Why can't they be like the original Watchmen, who lack any flaws whatsoever, ESPECIALLY the god man who explicitly doesn't have flaws who saved the day from the bad guy??? Life isn't always a strict dichotomy of heroes and villains, that's the whole point of Watchmen. Heroes can be rapists, mass murderers, or simply not give a gently caress. Morality and the view of law is subjective, and everyone has their own definition. That's what I get from it at least.
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graham cracker posted:So cops are good now because the the heroes are portrayed as running black ops sites? The black sites are good because the people being taken to them are white supremacists, which means the cops running the black sites are the heroes, which means the show is pro-cop, and therefore pro-white supremacy.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:The black sites are good because the people being taken to them are white supremacists, which means the cops running the black sites are the heroes, which means the show is pro-cop, and therefore pro-white supremacy. Here's a well defined outline of the pot hole most armchair critics are getting caught in by trying to justify and generalize individual character's behavior. ^^^
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I just realized that the actor who played Captain Metropolis was the guy who played Jeff in the What We Do In The Shadows TV show, who is revealed to have been decapitated in every single one of his previous lives. Shared WWDITS/Watchmen universe?  SpiderHyphenMan posted:The black sites are good because the people being taken to them are white supremacists, which means the cops running the black sites are the heroes, which means the show is pro-cop, and therefore pro-white supremacy. Hasn't only like one person brought to them has clearly been established as a 7K member? They round up all the poor white people from the trailer park, but I don't think they show anyone actually being involved. When you compare it to the fact that pretty much every cop has either been a white supremacist or a violent goon, I'm not sure its painting that flattering a portrait. fancy stats fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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graham cracker posted:Wanna see Luber Duder save Looking Glass from the KKKKKKK, shiny bros gotta look out for each other.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I want to see Lubeman in American Hero Story. They WISH they had access to such high quality lubricant in the 1960s! I imagine it was more of a "bite the pillow, I'm going in dry" type of situation. If Peter is exposed as a professional gimp that would be the icing on the cake. Maybe he got hosed by the Dr. Manhattan dildo and was well prepared for the situation? DaveKap posted:I just got this idea and came to post it and what do I find but someone else posted it 2 hours ago. Good poo poo. My post was gonna be Lube Man comes and fights alongside LG, they finish the fight, and Lube Dude says to LG, "I like your mask." and LG responds "Likewise." 
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Nov 26, 2019 22:51
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How pissed are the creators of Arrested Development that they didn't come up with Lube Man?
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Nov 26, 2019 22:56
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On the other hand it would be really funny if Lube Man was the new Outrigger. 
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Yeah if Lindelof was actively trolling his haters I’d have to give it up to him
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Colonel Whitey posted:Yeah if Lindelof was actively trolling his haters I’d have to give it up to him Wouldn't be the first time, he's said that the opening scene of the leftovers' second season was designed in part to infuriate the guys who made grantland's TV podcast. fancy stats fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 23:36
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Infuriating entertainment podcasters is as noble a goal as any in this world
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fancy stats posted:Wouldn't be the first time, he's said that the opening scene of the leftovers' second season was designed in part to infuriate the guys who made grantland's TV podcast. Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald can be pretty insufferable, assuming we're talking about The Watch.
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