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ForkBanger posted:Delurking because oh poo poo, I have a floating voter asking about antisemitism accusations against jam grandad. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SBz9rLDLHOymIZ2S9JQFm3b1tW6D_XIZhVt9rTG2pgQ/edit?usp=drivesdk might be the one.
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peanut- posted:The news department is mostly a disgrace and needs to be gutted, but the idea that Strictly Come Dancing and Celebrity Masterchef are all part of some deep-state Tory state propaganda exercise that cannot be allowed to exist under a Corbyn government is just deranged ranting. Not to mention the radio stations national and local, kids programming, arts programming and awards. There's a lot about the BBC worth defending and keeping but not a single tear would be shed if the News department got nuked tomorrow.
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Edison was a dick posted:Can anyone summarise what this changing strategy is supposed to be about? This election is about more than Brexit but for a lot of people Brexit is actually all they care about and those people are in key marginals. I'm going to point out that if Labour was a purely Remain party then those votes would be gone and once again anyone saying that Labour had to come out for Remain in the last few months was projecting what they wanted to happen or had a simply wrong view of the country overall.
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OwlFancier posted:I really, really am not going to be convinced that a bunch of lovely shows where you watch a bunch of worthless celebrities prance around pretending to be remotely like normal humans and you're supposed to coo about how amazing they are or feign outrage when some utterly meaningless drama happens or whatever, is something we actually have to worry about in this country other than because a bunch of even more brain dead idiots in the electorate have decided that this is the most important thing in their lives. Instead they should... play video games for entertainment? Some people's tastes are different to yours, but people have a right to entertainment don't they?
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fuf posted:I hate it when public figures are like "I don't talk about political opinions" as if it shows wisdom and restraint rather than just being a cowardly attempt to remain as popular as possible. Also Osman weighs in on political stuff regularly via twitter or panel shows, but I guess he doesn't mention the parties (but he does the leaders sometimes) so it's not political? Man's an idiot.
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Aphex- posted:Don't you have to pay a deposit upfront for leasing though? Usually that would be enough to outright buy a car that's completely fine most of the time I would have thought.  Sorry I'd completely forgotten about that.
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Nov 28, 2019 11:36
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Its true - relationships and sex are better under socialism.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Instead they should... play video games for entertainment? Some people's tastes are different to yours, but people have a right to entertainment don't they? I'm going to suggest that some forms of entertainment are objectively better than others, forms which inherently serve to glorify godawful celebrity culture are bad, and should be thrown in the ditch along with their participants. If you want to cook, maybe we could make it so that everyone has time to do that, or everyone has time to go learn to dance rather than watching some shitheads on the television do it for them. The reason I do not like TV is because it is one half of the process whereby people are robbed of enjoyable activities and are instead sold the process of watching other people engage in them. Same basis as all those lovely shows centered around buying houses or following the lives of lovely rich people, they serve to give people a sense of false inclusion into a society that works to alienate them from ever having access to those things themselves. They are bad for the same reason paup voyeurism shows are bad and military adventurism/cop worship shows are bad, they reinforce lovely aspects of our society.
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Nov 28, 2019 11:41
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Edison was a dick posted:Can anyone summarise what this changing strategy is supposed to be about? The BBC wants to contain any good messages Labour puts out by wrapping it inside a criticism of the act of putting out a message in the first place. In much the same way the NHS bombshell is dismissed as a stunt, the "changing strategy" is supposed to be about how Labour will target brexit voting areas with communications about Labour's brexit deal. The BBC is trying to dismiss this as being inconsistent, or even facetious, on the issue of Brexit. The important thing, of course, is that we're talking about the act of communication and its intentions, and not the message itself: Labour will negotiate a deal within 3 months and within 6 months put that deal to the public in a second referendum. That deal will protect jobs, protect EU citizens rights and protect the Irish border while also getting us out of the EU parliament.
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BBC have produced some really good costume dramas in the past. They just seem too quick to dump them. I know they are not everyone's thing and I wish they prioritised things like that over reality TV but one makes a poo poo load more money and gets better viewer numbers so that's never going to happen.
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Nov 28, 2019 11:41
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It's wrong in Scotland too. Lib Dems get a couple of seats usually.
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OwlFancier posted:No I mean labour. Labour can't win if people believe everything the BBC tells them. Forcing them to go full batshit backing the government openly hurts their credibility, especially when labour does much better on social media. Yes, but 'forcing' here means 'not rolling over and accepting the pillow on their faces'. The BBC execs are getting desperate and throwing out everything they can think of because they know their only hope is a Tory election win. They are destroying the credibility of the organisation to try to save themselves. It's unsustainable, but irritating as it is it won't stop us. The mask is truly slipping, and they're letting it happen before the votes are cast. They've shot their load too early. And, conveniently, once we win this will all be further evidence of the need for media reform in the eyes of the public. Let's make the BBC a genuinely independent check on the powers that be (to the extent that is possible). It will need to be to have any hope of regaining its credibility, and Labour are best off not appearing to be influencing the BBC post-reform both for that reason and to avoid being tarred by association with an organisation that everyone sees as corrupt apologists for the governing party. By sheer coincidence, the BBC targeting the biggest liars most will benefit the Labour Party overall because that is not them. I also personally quite like the idea of the Labour Party being held to account in future, so that they don't get soft and forget about us leftists. And we've got a bunch of true believers on board who would agree, I think. Just my two cents 
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I loving hate costume dramas. Bunch of posh cunts being posh at each other in stupid clothes oh loving spare me.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm going to suggest that some forms of entertainment are objectively better than others, forms which inherently serve to glorify godawful celebrity culture are bad, and should be thrown in the ditch along with their participants. You could lean to cook or dance in the time it takes to watch those shows. Sometimes people just don't want to actually do that though, they want to just watch TV.
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You could if you had the money and facilities and weren't loving exhausted from being at work all the time I'm sure. Again, you are robbed of your ability to spend your time in ways which empower or enrich your life and are relegated instead to watching other people do it for you.
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Gonzo McFee posted:I loving hate costume dramas. Bunch of posh cunts being posh at each other in stupid clothes oh loving spare me. Not every costume drama is a Bronte adaptation hth
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Nov 28, 2019 11:45
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Flipswitch posted:I didn't - nope. Suzuki had an offer on at the time when I started and it's carried on through as I keep changing cars with them. Oh fair enough. I must have been thinking about PCP and HP then. I'd still feel a bit weird about paying monthly to rent a car but I suppose it does take the hassle out of it. Saying that my brother gave me his old car for free when he moved country so I lucked out there, especially since it was my first car after passing my test, and it being a 2 litre engine wasn't too cheap to insure.
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OwlFancier posted:You could if you had the money and facilities and weren't loving exhausted from being at work all the time I'm sure. Learning to cook takes barely any money at all.
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Nov 28, 2019 11:46
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New Tory manifesto policy? I thought they'd told JRM to stay quiet.
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Nov 28, 2019 11:46
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the wording of this reminds me of this weirdo we had at work who was always asking us about our sex lives, always wanted us to know about their's, and was just generally really inappropriate. like buddy, i do not consent to this conversation and you are violating my space by talking like this in my presence. they had intense drunk hillary voter energy, altho i see this person is fash.
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I just remembered that the BBC did have a hand in saving from cancellation/making the third series to my most favourite of all TV programmes: Due South.
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Wait I'm confused now. https://twitter.com/realjuliasong/status/1199843667751686146
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VideoGames posted:I just remembered that the BBC did have a hand in saving from cancellation/making the third series to my most favourite of all TV programmes: Due South. buddy let me shock you: i loved due south
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OwlFancier posted:If lovely game shows are important then that is an argument against lovely game shows because god loving drat they've rotted people's brains and need to die. Yes, but killing the BBC won't get rid of them. The BBC used not be as crap as it is now. Things like Play for Today and Tomorrow's World were good. Horizon and Panorama used to be better. But even now the BBC produces a lot of decent nature programmes and informative radio programmes you just don't get elsewhere (eg Thinking Allowed). The news output is truly terrible and no real journalism is done, but people in the BBC were warning that would be the result of Tory-Birtian policies back in the 1990s. It took quite a long time to reduce it to its current state. It clearly needs a hard reboot, but we should not throw up our hands and abandon the attempt to provide a democratic source of journalism.
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I work on Wardour Street in London and the walk up from Charing Cross is heartbreaking, the number of people I pass every day begging or sleeping in shop doorways seems to be getting worse and worse. My partner and I thought about making up some small care packages, maybe some socks, gloves, water, cereal bars, wet wipes maybe some bandages or something in a waterproof bag and handing them out on the way to/from work one day. Does anyone else have any thoughts on what else could go into one of these care packages that I maybe have not thought of? Pads or tampons is probably another needed thing. Has anyone else had experience putting care packages for the homeless together before? Would it be better to just get all this stuff together and just donate it to a shelter somewhere nearby? Should I just donate to a charity instead?
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Pesky Splinter posted:If Trashfuture's numerous glances into the world of tech startups is anything to go by, Millenials and Gen Z love the flexability of not owning anything, ever Also imo a lack of financial education. I went to school during the New Labour era and there was literally nothing about finance through my entire school life unless you took the Business Studies GCSE. I don't actually blame millenials / zoomers for this because I'm pretty sure a combination of cutting financial education from home economics classes and making personal finance more complex (also making financial advice way harder for proles to access) was a deliberate strategy to encourage consumer debt.
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I can't believe there are other people who like due south. if you like the songs used in later seasons and of course the finale that's Stan Rogers and he comes highly recommended
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Heh, IFS outing themselves as lib Dem supporters. Also:quote:In 2019, Labour’s strategy is about delivering a fairer, more prosperous society, in adherence to our motto: for the zany, not the shrewd . Because Labour voters have short attention spans (and therefore do not remember how deeply we got the nation in debt the last time our party was in power), we would like to frontload this manifesto with the vast piles of Free Stuff that will inundate British households if you award our party a majority. You will notice lower down on your ballot a space to tick ‘milk’or ‘dark’for your 750g M&S chocolate assortment. Do not forget to further customise your order by ticking ‘creams’, ‘caramels’or ‘truffles’, and ‘yes’or ‘no’by ‘I have a nut allergy’. We apologise that delivery of your first free weekly Proletariat Pizza (thin crust or classic deep pan) will have to wait until after 12 December, because we were unable to fit the full list of optional toppings on to the ballot paper, and there were unresolved objections from some quarters to the inclusion of pineapple. When leaving the polling station, however, make sure to pick up your shiny red Labour goodie bag to the left (naturally) of the door. We don’t want to ruin all the surprises in store, but we can tip off voters that gifts include: a 100ml bottle of Aveda Botanical Kinetics moisturiser, a five-inch lavender-scented candle (bound to come in useful when we nationalise energy companies), a £50 John Lewis coupon redeemable for the lampshade of your choice (teal blue being, alas, out of stock), a deckle-edged collector’s edition of Mao’s Little Red Book , Bose Bluetooth headphones (as we’re not to be outdone by the New Yorker Festival), and a small electric car. Commonly, of course, goodie bags are filled by donations from supportive companies, but because we couldn’t find any companies that want Jeremy Corbyn to become prime minister, the cost to Labour of those headphones will be reimbursed by the taxpayer. That’s surely all right with you, because if you vote for Labour in 2019 we assume that you’re not a taxpayer. Advance announcement of our nationwide free broadband policy allowed the membership to point out that super-rich access to commercial streaming services is not only a form of cultural appropriation but a major contributor to inequality. So we will also be providing the British people with free subscriptions to Netflix, Sky Sports and Disney Plus. In the event that householders have needs and desires in excess of chocolate and moisturiser, never fear. In its first year, a Labour government will nationalise Amazon. Thus British citizens —and non-citizens, whose exclusion would be racist —will be able to have DIY materials, groceries from Amazon Fresh, gardening tools, Nike trainers and ineffective nutritional supplements shipped directly from 10 Downing Street, all without the bother of registering a credit card. We regret that owing to the organisational challenges of fitting this many goods into a rather small house off Whitehall, to begin with our returns policy may not be quite as efficient as the current online retailer’s. As for health care, free dental checkups are just the start. To ameliorate our oppressed countrymen’s damaging reputation for dingy smiles, we will offer the entire electorate free tooth whitening and/or veneers. Nitrous oxide will also be made available on a recreational basis. Given that the money we will pile each year into surgeries and hospitals will be equivalent to the Treasury’s entire annual budget, we are herewith proposing to rename the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ‘the National Health Service’. As any mention of this institution must already be delivered with quavering, misty-eyed reverence, it makes sense that ‘our NHS’should refer to the country itself, thereby ensuring a degree of social cohesion with which mere ‘One Nation Conservatism’cannot compete. The Labour party realises that inequality is not solely a material concern. Of course our confiscation of private schools will guarantee that no one in our fine country is permitted unjustly to excel, but we will go still further —bulldozing, grading and compacting the outlying properties of Eton and Harrow into perfectly level playing fields. The unjustly good-looking will be issued mandatory fat suits, the unjustly smart will wear compulsory VR headsets streaming synchronised patriotic dance numbers from North Korea, and the unjustly likeable will be targeted by vicious, defamatory Twitter pile-ons via #seeminglycharmingpersonsecretlyawanker. Detractors have claimed that, if we stick to our commitment to keep the taxes of 95 per cent of the population unchanged, our manifesto is unaffordable. On the contrary, the irresistible draw of so much fabulous fairness in one place is bound to attract investment from all over the world. Being graciously allowed to contribute to communal wellbeing on such a scale will act as an irresistible pull factor for the super-rich, especially when they learn that the civic-minded top 5 per cent will be issued complimentary hair shirts. Emblazoned with bright yellow pound signs, these sturdy waterproofs will provide welcome protection from the elements when CEOs, hedge-fund managers and any other members of the bourgeoisie who thieve more than £80,000 per annum are drafted into chain gangs to pick up roadside litter. (Apologies to the membership, but Jeremy has equivocated on expanding freedom of movement, as it was observed that such liberty might be misused to leave the country.) Besides, who is the tax evader par excellence? Who, the British people will be shocked to learn, has hitherto paid the Exchequer exactly 0 per cent, year upon year? Santa Claus. A notoriously wealthy, privileged capitalist who usurps the role of the state in determining who’s been naughty and who’s been nice. Closing up this loophole will alone finance our whole first term. Lastly, Jeremy has sorted climate change. We will nationalise the weather. Yeah I cba to add line breaks back to that.
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gh0stpinballa posted:buddy let me shock you: i loved due south No shock here! Due South is wonderful and I adore it and it is so earnest that it makes me mad it is so tough to get legit copies of.  I own canadian DVDs of it that I can no longer watch.
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OwlFancier posted:I really, really am not going to be convinced that a bunch of lovely shows where you watch a bunch of worthless celebrities prance around pretending to be remotely like normal humans and you're supposed to coo about how amazing they are or feign outrage when some utterly meaningless drama happens or whatever, is something we actually have to worry about in this country other than because a bunch of even more brain dead idiots in the electorate have decided that this is the most important thing in their lives. quote:I was walking with my mum in some London park and in an attempt to make conversation she pointed out all the beautiful flowerbeds. Instead of nodding and asking what sort of flowers they were (as I would now), I snorted that I preferred natural landscapes – not regimented, ordered rows of flowers planted by the council when that money could have been better spent on creating jobs or building houses.
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RockyB posted:Yeah I cba to add line breaks back to that.
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Michael Rosen continues to be the best https://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.com/2019/11/im-jewish-im-voting-labour.html?spref=tw
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Overthinking the politics of everyday life is what cultural studies is all about!  Unless you come at it from the basis of lived experience rather than abstract political theory which is praxis, one of the key foundations of that discipline
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Aphex- posted:Oh fair enough. I must have been thinking about PCP and HP then. I'd still feel a bit weird about paying monthly to rent a car but I suppose it does take the hassle out of it. Saying that my brother gave me his old car for free when he moved country so I lucked out there, especially since it was my first car after passing my test, and it being a 2 litre engine wasn't too cheap to insure.
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VideoGames posted:No shock here! Due South is wonderful and I adore it and it is so earnest that it makes me mad it is so tough to get legit copies of. i always wanted a dog like that growing up and i recorded the theme tune on my talk boy gadget cos i loved it so much
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