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Stickman posted:Why do you want to overclock it? There's really not much in the way of overclocking headroom on Zen 2 processors, and the small boost you get is generally not worth the enormous increase in power consumption and heat generation (unless you're overclocking for the heck of it). Yeah, look at B450 boards. X570's are catering to people with edge cases or suckers, likely overkill for anything you're doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_chipsets#AM4_chipsets
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B450 is a good chipset, mines probably overkill for at least half the ppl that get it and it's an matx
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I got an X570 board. It's okay I guess.
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I got a Gigabyte Aorus X570 Master and there is a lot of poo poo being talked about Gigabyte boards in some spaces I lurk, and I was wondering if there was any meaningful reason for it? Everyone swears up and down by MSI & ASUS nowadays, but the only two motherboards I've had be dead on arrival were from MSI & ASUS.
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Synthetic Dreams posted:I got a Gigabyte Aorus X570 Master and there is a lot of poo poo being talked about Gigabyte boards in some spaces I lurk, and I was wondering if there was any meaningful reason for it? Everyone swears up and down by MSI & ASUS nowadays, but the only two motherboards I've had be dead on arrival were from MSI & ASUS. I'll say that I've got an MSI board and every bios update since I bought it is poo poo. I'm running on a July bios because of that
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Speaking of ASUS, BIOS 1405 for the X570s came out and seems to be getting things back to normal for all the people who had issues with DOCP but unsure about the sound cards.
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Nov 28, 2019 03:11
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Synthetic Dreams posted:I got a Gigabyte Aorus X570 Master and there is a lot of poo poo being talked about Gigabyte boards in some spaces I lurk, and I was wondering if there was any meaningful reason for it? Everyone swears up and down by MSI & ASUS nowadays, but the only two motherboards I've had be dead on arrival were from MSI & ASUS. My Intel board is an aorus No complaints
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Nov 28, 2019 03:18
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Can anyone explain to me why the 3960x and 3970x lose to the 3950x in some game benchmarks? On paper, the 3970x should be at least as good at any task as the 3950x.
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Nov 28, 2019 03:45
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Lowen SoDium posted:Can anyone explain to me why the 3960x and 3970x lose to the 3950x in some game benchmarks? On paper, the 3970x should be at least as good at any task as the 3950x. Single core turbo frequency is very slightly higher on the 3950x. So things that favor frequency over lots of cores (like games) still like 3950x very slightly more. It is in the neighborhood of a couple hundred mhz difference. At 1440p/4k, the fps difference is going to be very small though.
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Nov 28, 2019 04:58
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Cygni posted:Single core turbo frequency is very slightly higher on the 3950x. So things that favor frequency over lots of cores (like games) still like 3950x very slightly more. It is in the neighborhood of a couple hundred mhz difference. Ah, I had missed that when comparing. I thought that the boost clock was the same and that the base clock was higher on the 3970x. That makes a bit more sense.
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Nov 28, 2019 05:06
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Lowen SoDium posted:Can anyone explain to me why the 3960x and 3970x lose to the 3950x in some game benchmarks? On paper, the 3970x should be at least as good at any task as the 3950x. Slightly better single-core performance - on paper the 3950x has a 4.7GHz max boost the TR's max boost is 4.5GHz. Perhaps the ridiculous power consumption and heat generation also throttles the boost if cooling isn't top notch? E: Cygni!! 
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Nov 28, 2019 05:08
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Synthetic Dreams posted:I got a Gigabyte Aorus X570 Master and there is a lot of poo poo being talked about Gigabyte boards in some spaces I lurk, and I was wondering if there was any meaningful reason for it? Everyone swears up and down by MSI & ASUS nowadays, but the only two motherboards I've had be dead on arrival were from MSI & ASUS. Apart from the lowest tier x570 motherboards - they all seem fine build quality wise.
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Nov 28, 2019 06:12
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Synthetic Dreams posted:I got a Gigabyte Aorus X570 Master and there is a lot of poo poo being talked about Gigabyte boards in some spaces I lurk, and I was wondering if there was any meaningful reason for it? Everyone swears up and down by MSI & ASUS nowadays, but the only two motherboards I've had be dead on arrival were from MSI & ASUS. I don't know if they still do it, but a few years ago Gigabyte would use cheaper components for later revisions of their motherboards. It would allow them to sell boards of questionable quality based on reviews for the earlier actually good version, which is pretty scummy. I personally use a Gigabyte Z170 board but I made sure to get the earliest revision so I wouldn't have to worry about that.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I'll say that I've got an MSI board and every bios update since I bought it is poo poo. I'm running on a July bios because of that  Genuinely asking, what specifically has been "poo poo" for you? There might be a fix by now, either in a newer BIOS or from something else. Just as an example, there has apparently been a scheduler update for Windows in newer patches and an update in the newest BIOS for MSI's X570 boards that were both supposed to improve performance/boost behaviour in the 3000 series, but you might get further improvement through a few BIOS adjustments and a custom power plan from 1usmus to fix the way Windows uses the CPU's best cores.
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Nov 28, 2019 07:47
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  I've been running memtest for 2 hours and I still can't believe this is stable.
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Nov 28, 2019 10:18
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Synthetic Dreams posted:I got a Gigabyte Aorus X570 Master and there is a lot of poo poo being talked about Gigabyte boards in some spaces I lurk, and I was wondering if there was any meaningful reason for it? Everyone swears up and down by MSI & ASUS nowadays, but the only two motherboards I've had be dead on arrival were from MSI & ASUS.
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Nov 28, 2019 10:29
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Nov 28, 2019 10:39
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gradenko_2000 posted:is there any kind of release date on RX 5500 custom cards? Latest word was in 2 weeks time, but I don't think anyone is in a hurry to rush them market. The distributors and retailers are gonna have to dump the mountains of 570/80/90's that didn't sell at a loss for 130$ in a landfill first.
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Synthetic Dreams posted:I got a Gigabyte Aorus X570 Master and there is a lot of poo poo being talked about Gigabyte boards in some spaces I lurk, and I was wondering if there was any meaningful reason for it? Everyone swears up and down by MSI & ASUS nowadays, but the only two motherboards I've had be dead on arrival were from MSI & ASUS. Gigabyte made some really lovely boards / cards and revised them into even worse versions in the past. But giga x570 is good hardware wise, and frequently updated. They might release v1.5 or whatever and that'll change, who knows.
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Gigabyte used to have a rep for releasing good hardware and then quietly replacing the components with shittier ones after the reviews had gone out. I don't think they do it anymore, but that and some really lovely Pascal GPUs didn't do wonders for their rep. Maybe that's also why they created the Aorus top-tier brand - to assuage concerns that they were still pulling this stuff.
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Nov 28, 2019 15:00
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KillHour posted:
You have the golden sample CPU + Memory 
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Lowen SoDium posted:Can anyone explain to me why the 3960x and 3970x lose to the 3950x in some game benchmarks? On paper, the 3970x should be at least as good at any task as the 3950x.
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Nov 28, 2019 15:26
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Grog posted:My essentially lowest-tier MSI X570-A Pro is running the newest BIOS and has been fine so far. The previous 1.0.0.4 B update was also running fine while I was on it. The August update made everything unstable, and the updates after that have hurt performance significantly. MPG X570 Gaming Edge Wifi board. I'm just gonna sit on everything as it is until I see endorsements from a trusted source.
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Nov 28, 2019 15:41
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KillHour posted:
I bet that performs really, really well
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Those are some p nice timings, but... KillHour posted:I've been running memtest for 2 hours and I still can't believe this is stable. Oh, you sweet summer child. The fact that it hasn't crashed is a good sign, but memory stability testing is hell on earth. I've had settings I thought were stable after something like 12 hours of Karhu RAMTest only to run it again the next day and get errors repeatedly after 15 minutes. And RAMTest is by far the best tool I've found for finding memory overclocking instability in a "reasonable" amount of time.
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KillHour posted:
drat what memory do you have? My 3950X is sitting in the box waiting for me to make up my mind on the other stuff.
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I left memtest running for 6 hours and did get a single error during a random cycle. No errors on the other 100 or so passes though. My secondaries are stupidly tight as well, so I could try loosening some of those up, but this is quickly approaching too much effort territory for something that could be anything from a repeatable problem to a cosmic ray bit flip. I'm gonna leave it as it is and if I notice any instability during real world use, I'll loosen something up. MaxxBot posted:drat what memory do you have? My 3950X is sitting in the box waiting for me to make up my mind on the other stuff. This stuff. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232378 It's out of stock, but it was $230 - by far the cheapest 32GB kit of B-Die I could find.
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Funny as this sounds I’ve found the game PUBG to be the most sensitive for memory stability. I can pass a bunch of different stress tests but PUBG will crash if it isn’t rock solid.
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Nov 28, 2019 18:23
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B-Mac posted:Funny as this sounds I’ve found the game PUBG to be the most sensitive for memory stability. I can pass a bunch of different stress tests but PUBG will crash if it isn’t rock solid. Good thing I don't play pubg  . I'll give it a shot though.
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B-Mac posted:Funny as this sounds I’ve found the game PUBG to be the most sensitive for memory stability. I can pass a bunch of different stress tests but PUBG will crash if it isn’t rock solid. Yeah games can sometimes be the best stress test, I had a weird issue where my PC would shut off randomly during certain games. I suspected an issue with the PSU but it could run Prime95 Small FFT + Furmark simultaneously for days. It turned out it was the PSU and The Witcher 3 was a bigger stress test than Prime95 and Furmark were.
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Yeah I had plenty of attempts at (Intel) CPU OC and recent RAM OC with a Zen+ CPU that looked fine in Memtest and Prime95 but would reliably become crash happy in recent demanding games.
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KillHour posted:I left memtest running for 6 hours and did get a single error during a random cycle. No errors on the other 100 or so passes though. That, plus 2x 2TB ex950 nvme drives were ordered earlier this morning. Though I'm going with 3700x, I'm still excite.
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Prime 95 had a failure after like 4 passes so I took a wild stab in the dark and bumped my TRAS to 22, figuring 21 was just stupid and bound to cause errors. We'll see if that helps anything. FE: Sorry for hijacking the AMD thread. I forgot there was an OC thread because nobody posts in it anymore  Beverly Cleavage posted:That, plus 2x 2TB ex950 nvme drives were ordered earlier this morning. Though I'm going with 3700x, I'm still excite. Let me know if you get memory timings anywhere near as bonkers as I did. That memory might be the deal of the century.
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Eh Ryzen benefits quite a bit from memory overclocking so I think it’s worthwhile to post in here. I have my b die kit overclocked to 3700 CL15 so 3733 CL14 is pretty drat good.
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I can't even use the safe preset in BIOS for my Trident Z's on Zen+, it's all just a weird lottery. Guess it wouldn't make sense if everyone could overclock and tighten timings on their Ryzen setups.
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B-Mac posted:Eh Ryzen benefits quite a bit from memory overclocking so I think it’s worthwhile to post in here. I have my b die kit overclocked to 3700 CL15 so 3733 CL14 is pretty drat good. Fair enough. Yeah, I'm really happy with it. It can even get into Windows and do an AIDA throughput test at CL13, but stress tests get real unhappy at that point. Just crazy, crazy memory. ufarn posted:I can't even use the safe preset in BIOS for my Trident Z's on Zen+, it's all just a weird lottery. Guess it wouldn't make sense if everyone could overclock and tighten timings on their Ryzen setups. Not all Trident Z's are b-die. You have to specifically look for it. It's kind of a pain in the rear end.
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KillHour posted:Not all Trident Z's are b-die. You have to specifically look for it. It's kind of a pain in the rear end.
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ufarn posted:Nah, it's b-die, it's just that variable, apparently. At least I get to run 3200 CL14 at stock unlike a lot of people who had to turn down their frequency. drat, that sucks. Guess I really won the lottery here.
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Even though your setup should be stresstested more, my improved timings wouldn't even pass the BIOS boot check. Guess we're on both of our sides of the silicon quality distribution!
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