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Gorn Myson posted:Our PM ducks out of a debate and tries to send his dad. JRM gets his nanny to drive him around on the campaign trail. edit: Michael Gove has consumed at least 384 souls this election campaign.
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Finallly getting off my arse and getting involved in campaigning stuff. Anyone have any cool tips about the party in SE Cambridgeshire?
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Yank here, with a bit of a general curiosity about your upcoming election. Is there any chance you guys wind up with PM Corbyn, or are your old people voters as disastrously stupid as our old people voters?
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Nov 28, 2019 22:30
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Random Integer posted:Bellingcat is literally funded the Open Society Foundations (Soros) tho, leading to the predictable conspiracies. Hence the original reference to Soros. I don't think anybody ITT has criticized them for taking Soros money though, just for taking US government money.
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Nov 28, 2019 22:30
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Extremely low energy empty chairing in that debate! They should have put the sculptures behind podiums so they'd always look like missing leaders and be in every shot. Sticking them at the sides just made them look like part of the set, they were hardly ever in shot, and they barely even melted anyway And both parties only got mentioned at the start and end, KGM kept opening questions by stating Tory policy which never got scrutinised, so they got off pretty lightly imo
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Nov 28, 2019 22:31
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Rust Martialis posted:Some people attack BM for being funded by Soros. Others attack him for being funded by the US. Sorry, what's the difference again? ah yes, horseshoe theory, very good
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Nov 28, 2019 22:33
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Cleverer people than me. Is it antisemitic to question whether the Chief Rabbi had a partly political motive in making his statement this week? What about to question whether his statement could actually end up contributing to antisemitism by throwing fuel on the fire of conspiracy fears about Jews colluding with high office? For the record I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt re. his first motive being to protect Jewish people but I don't think it's racist to question his motives, I wouldn't hold back on questioning other religious leaders in general. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Nov 28, 2019 |
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Nov 28, 2019 22:34
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Vlex posted:Urgh I'm in a twitter fight with a Very Reasonable Just Asking Questions senior academic over anti-Semitism claims. https://antisemitism.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Antisemitism-Barometer-2017.pdf page 6 in particular and I'm sure there was another one I'm forgetting the one i was forgetting was https://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/JPR.2017.Antisemitism_in_contemporary_Great_Britain.pdf druthers fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Nov 28, 2019 |
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Nov 28, 2019 22:38
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Vlex posted:Urgh I'm in a twitter fight with a Very Reasonable Just Asking Questions senior academic over anti-Semitism claims. https://docs.google.com/document/u/...YJFdrk-s4j6XgWQ
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Nov 28, 2019 22:39
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Zalakwe posted:Cleverer people than me. How would it be antisemitic to suggest that a human being who happens to be a member of the Jewish community can have ulterior motivations? The only way that'd be antisemitic is if you suggested that their ulterior motivations were *because* they were Jewish
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Nov 28, 2019 22:39
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Zalakwe posted:Cleverer people than me. He's a tory and congratulated Boris on becoming the conservative leader. Boris has backed openly antisemitic leaders like Orban in the past and it doesn't seem to bother Mirvis, so I reckon either it is a political thing, or he's dumb enough to conflate anti-semitism with saying 'israel is doing war crimes please stop' which also makes him an antisemite. Miftan fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Nov 28, 2019 |
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Nov 28, 2019 22:41
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https://twitter.com/rose_marie/status/1200145620662718464?s=20 Shocking if true.
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Nov 28, 2019 22:45
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Random Integer posted:Bellingcat is literally funded the Open Society Foundations (Soros) tho, leading to the predictable conspiracies. Hence the original reference to Soros. It's interesting watching the frothing crews on all sides screech about how evil BM is without actually having anything to go on. And then extend their caterwauling to anyone who points out the similarities.
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Zalakwe posted:Cleverer people than me. Michael Rosen (michaelrosenyes) is a good follow on twitter. He wrote a blog post on this subject: https://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.com/2019/11/im-jewish-im-voting-labour.html Mirvis is a tory and I believe has form for this around general election time. Problem is google is absolutely dominated by Monday's effort by him and I haven't been able to find links. Hopefully someone else has them. There is also a list that appears called something like "50 reasons why Corbyn doesn't have an anti-semitic bone in his body". I have to say the title of that list makes my skin crawl. But it does have some good points in it. I might share items from it but not the stupid title.
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Rust Martialis posted:Some people attack BM for being funded by Soros. Others attack him for being funded by the US. Sorry, what's the difference again? nobody has tried that antisemitic smear here so gently caress right off
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Nov 28, 2019 22:48
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Hellblazer187 posted:Yank here, with a bit of a general curiosity about your upcoming election. Is there any chance you guys wind up with PM Corbyn, or are your old people voters as disastrously stupid as our old people voters? Depends, how willing are you to conduct electoral fraud? Please don't. His party is around 10 points behind in the polls atm but they're closing with enough momentum that a hung parliment/labour minority government is pretty plasuable.
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Qwertycoatl posted:Finallly getting off my arse and getting involved in campaigning stuff. Anyone have any cool tips about the party in SE Cambridgeshire? According to my Little List in the OP you want to be talking to Stoic Fnord  I'm next door in South Cambridgeshire (for now).
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Nov 28, 2019 22:49
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Labour is 10 pts behind? Shouldn't Alan Moore's vote count for like 100,000 votes though?
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Rust Martialis posted:It's interesting watching the frothing crews on all sides screech about how evil BM is without actually having anything to go on. And then extend their caterwauling to anyone who points out the similarities. "we're attacked by the left and right so clearly we're objectively correct" - the bbc "there is no difference between good and bad things" - wint I'm not interesting in criticising BM here but this is a really loving stupid argument you're making Hellblazer187 posted:Labour is 10 pts behind? no
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it's interesting the enemies made through investigating war crimes and the attack lines manifested through willful ignorance and deceit if only there were parallels to the current political discourse
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Nov 28, 2019 22:52
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:There is also a list that appears called something like "50 reasons why Corbyn doesn't have an anti-semitic bone in his body". I have to say the title of that list makes my skin crawl. But it does have some good points in it. I might share items from it but not the stupid title. These articles also make pretty good points backed up with evidence: https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/smoke-without-fire-the-myth-of-a-labour-antisemitism-crisis/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/first-time-my-life-im-frightened-be-jewish/
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 Folks, I need your assistance. I've gotten so sick of the endless smearing of Jeremy Corbyn by the conservatives and NewsCorp papers that I've decided to start doing something to push back against the narrative. In particular, I want to write a piece debunking the notion that Corbyn in an anti-Semite. I want it to be as exhaustive and complete as possible to ensure that it won't get any "yes, but what about when Corbyn did..." responses. So I would really appreciate it if you could all help me compile a list of as many concrete things people have used in the past to "prove" that Corbyn is an anti-Semite. Then I'm going to spend the next week or so researching as many of them as possible and writing up my findings in one big Medium article. Hopefully, that article will come in handy for anyone who needs a one-stop link to send to people who have been fooled into believing that Corbyn is an anti-Semite. Because at the moment there is so much third-hand hearsay about Labour anti-Semitism out there that it's almost impossible to verifiably prove that it's all hogwash without putting in a lot of legwork.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Labour is 10 pts behind? Shouldn't Alan Moore's vote count for like 100,000 votes though? Much like in yanksville, the polls are garbage.
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They rebutted with this https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/most-uk-jews-think-labour-is-too-tolerant-of-anti-semitism-yougov-poll-finds/ Which should give an idea of the level of good faith they're operating on
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Hellblazer187 posted:Shouldn't Alan Moore's vote count for like 100,000 votes though?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Michael Rosen (michaelrosenyes) is a good follow on twitter. He wrote a blog post on this subject: Pochoclo posted:How would it be antisemitic to suggest that a human being who happens to be a member of the Jewish community can have ulterior motivations? Miftan posted:He's a tory and congratulated Boris on becoming the conservative leader. Boris has backed openly antisemitic leaders like Orban in the past and it doesn't seem to bother Mirvis, so I reckon either it is a political thing, or he's dumb enough to conflate anti-semitism with saying 'israel is doing war crimes please stop' which also makes him an antisemite. Cheers for all of this, comforting to know. Issue is minefield. That blog is particularly useful.
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Nov 28, 2019 22:57
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It's not at all unusual for the us state department to fund all kinds of journalistic organisations. Not even for propagandistic reasons, it's generally a way for them to outsource research and investigation because they like to be in possession of a solid set of facts to base whatever cataclysmic imbicilery they want to engage in next. I know of several in Latin America alone who get us state department funding to basically present facts and figures to back up telling them to gently caress off out of the hemisphere on a daily basis.
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oh if anyone wants a contact for truro and falmouth then hi, somehow I'm involved despite not normally living here. it is wet.
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Jose posted:nobody has tried that antisemitic smear here so gently caress right off I'm pointing out you (and others here) attack him for using NED money to do good things, as others (elsewhere) attack him for "taking Soros's money" to do good things. Your attacks have nothing to do with anything he does, just your reflexive need to attack anything remotely connected to the US, in this thread and others, is unremitting. You're really no different than the RT shills, except you don't get paid. The fact he has actually achieved something good in the world, and repeatedly helped people really means nothing to you. All you care about is he got some funding from
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Vlex posted:They rebutted with this https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/most-uk-jews-think-labour-is-too-tolerant-of-anti-semitism-yougov-poll-finds/ Sounds like a real good academic who can rebut hard data with opinions.
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Spangly A posted:
Fine, 11%.  It's gonna tighten up though, still 2 weeks to go.
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blunt posted:Fine, 11%. no I could write a poll saying that Corbyn, personally, is on 110% in every seat and it would be exactly as statistically valid as any one in that tracker the raw data shows you 1-3% and it's poorly representative
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Rust Martialis posted:I'm pointing out you (and others here) attack him for using NED money to do good things, as others (elsewhere) attack him for "taking Soros's money" to do good things. Your attacks have nothing to do with anything he does, just your reflexive need to attack anything remotely connected to the US, in this thread and others, is unremitting. You're really no different than the RT shills, except you don't get paid. i mean you love US backed right wing coups in latin america and look how well thats going in bolivia rn
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Spangly A posted:no Urgh let's not go down the "unskewing polls" route.
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if the question is "why are labour 15 points behind" then the only valid answer is "because they're all loving miles out" if the question is "are labour 10 points behind" then the only valid answer is "no" Vlex posted:Urgh let's not go down the "unskewing polls" route. ok let's just repeat obviously bullshit propaganda without pointing out it's obviously bullshit propaganda why not just link to laura K's twitter feed every 30 seconds with no further comment than "horrifying if true"? Spangly A fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Nov 28, 2019 |
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Vlex posted:They rebutted with this https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/most-uk-jews-think-labour-is-too-tolerant-of-anti-semitism-yougov-poll-finds/ respond with https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-8697821.html
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Rust Martialis posted:I'm pointing out you (and others here) attack him for using NED money to do good things, as others (elsewhere) attack him for "taking Soros's money" to do good things. Your attacks have nothing to do with anything he does, just your reflexive need to attack anything remotely connected to the US, in this thread and others, is unremitting. You're really no different than the RT shills, except you don't get paid. next go on about russian bots, I have a bingo going
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Vlex posted:Urgh let's not go down the "unskewing polls" route. We literally know that the weightings for a fair few polls are absolutely bonkers, though. That's not unskewing anything, it's pointing out that the polling companies aren't giving us an accurate picture.
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