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Tahirovic posted:You can buy elk and reindeer meat in Sweden, pro country! LordMune posted:(and don't mind relocating to Stockholm)
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man I'm pumped for CK3, gonna be sweet am I right fellas
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LordMune posted:I need more content designers for CK3! We've had the occasional goon success story in the past, so if you think you have what it takes (and don't mind relocating to Stockholm) please give it a shot: https://career.paradoxplaza.com/jobs/784482-content-designer-crusader-kings-iii Not my expertise, but I am considering applying to the positions of Community Developer/Manager.
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Tahirovic posted:You can buy elk and reindeer meat in Sweden, pro country! Meatballs made with deer and boar meat are pretty great.
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Nov 29, 2019 18:06
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Oh man I have a craving to play a bit meaty strategy game. Never touched one of these before. I'm thinking ck2 but how do I choose between that and eu4? I've read the op, happy to take advice on dlc. Is adding extra dlc likely to overwhelm me even more than I will be already? I'm definitely tempted by these sale bundles, I don't dive into things lightly but I don't want to make myself give up either.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Oh man I have a craving to play a bit meaty strategy game. Never touched one of these before. I'm thinking ck2 but how do I choose between that and eu4? I've read the op, happy to take advice on dlc. Is adding extra dlc likely to overwhelm me even more than I will be already? I'm definitely tempted by these sale bundles, I don't dive into things lightly but I don't want to make myself give up either. They are pretty different games. EU is about playing a nation, CK is about playing a family. EU is about exploration, war, colonization, development, etc; is more like a standard 4X. CK2 is about role playing, marriages, growing children, titles, religion, war too, but is not such a big part edit: I think base CK2 is still free, you might want to try it first. Is a very unique game, personally I rank it among the masterpieces of videogame. I like EU4 too, but CK2 is a real gem
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Nov 29, 2019 18:51
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Oh man I have a craving to play a bit meaty strategy game. Never touched one of these before. I'm thinking ck2 but how do I choose between that and eu4? I've read the op, happy to take advice on dlc. Is adding extra dlc likely to overwhelm me even more than I will be already? I'm definitely tempted by these sale bundles, I don't dive into things lightly but I don't want to make myself give up either. eu4 is a meaty strategy game ck2 is a medieval life simulator grafted on top of a semi-meaty strategy game they are very different despite being superficially similar, but both are very good
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Nov 29, 2019 19:26
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Yeah ck2 I've heard the most stories of, I'll probably go with that. I like the sound of playing as a dynasty. I'll pop on over to that thread. Are any of the steam bundles obviously worthwhile? I'm happy to pick and choose dlc based on recommendations but it seems like I may as well move during sale time.
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Nov 29, 2019 19:46
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Yeah ck2 I've heard the most stories of, I'll probably go with that. I like the sound of playing as a dynasty. I'll pop on over to that thread. Are any of the steam bundles obviously worthwhile? I'm happy to pick and choose dlc based on recommendations but it seems like I may as well move during sale time. None of them are critical but they fall into two main categories: the ones that build on some specific corner of the game (Sword of Islam, The Republic) and those that enrich gameplay in general (Reaper's Due, Way of Life). The general expansions are usually better because they improve the game for every character, but sometimes you just want to play as a horse nomad clan so they're all worth looking at. The one that's closest to critical however, is Legacy of Rome which unlocks you a small standing army. A few hours playing CK2 with no DLC will convince you this is very useful.
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Nov 29, 2019 19:58
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Mind you CK2 might disappoint you if want strategy game specifically cause in that regard it's probably more primitive than modern Total War titles but with a much bigger and denser world. If you try to play it as a challenging strategic puzzle you are at mercy of randomness in events abd AI decisions. Relax and be prepared for all your plans foiling because of drunks spilling secrets, all the heirs turning out to be girls, neighbours consolidating into unbeatable blobs and so on and so on.
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Nov 29, 2019 20:28
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ilitarist posted:Mind you CK2 might disappoint you if want strategy game specifically cause in that regard it's probably more primitive than modern Total War titles but with a much bigger and denser world. If you try to play it as a challenging strategic puzzle you are at mercy of randomness in events abd AI decisions. Relax and be prepared for all your plans foiling because of drunks spilling secrets, all the heirs turning out to be girls, neighbours consolidating into unbeatable blobs and so on and so on.
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Nov 29, 2019 21:30
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God I loathe the new launcher. It adds nothing to me, prevents me from playing modded Stellaris without jumping through a ton of hoops every time the game is launched and manages to gently caress up my EU4 install intermittently, with nothing changing on my end to cause it. I imagine if I was still playing the other PDX games, there'd be something hosed up there too. Please unfuck your poo poo PDX, so I can play your games instead of giving up and playing something else.
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Nov 29, 2019 21:41
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The lack of control is a big part of why I like CK2 and I disagree with people who say it makes it less of a strategy game. It's just a different (and honestly more true to life) type of strategy.
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Nov 29, 2019 21:45
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CK2 is probably now the best game to get into Paradox-style games with, primarily because the base game is now priced very reasonably at $Free.00
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Yeah I'm gonna try it with no DLC and figure out by steam-sale end whether I'll go the distance.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Yeah I'm gonna try it with no DLC and figure out by steam-sale end whether I'll go the distance. You can get the Old Gods expansion for free by signing up to their newsletter.
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Gobblecoque posted:The lack of control is a big part of why I like CK2 and I disagree with people who say it makes it less of a strategy game. It's just a different (and honestly more true to life) type of strategy. I wasn't even talking about parts of CK2 that lack control. I'm fine with no plan surviving meeting with a reality. It's also about obscure mechanics that are relatively easy to play around, but due to the random nature of a game you'd never know without looking into files or doing a research. E.g. there are objectively right ways to educate children depending on what you want from them even though the system looks like it's for roleplaying. Same for mysterious effectiveness of a doctor, there's no way you'd just learn one simple trick to make your doctors more effective. Or obscure combat mechanics. Or that there are specific actions that AI will or will not do depending on their traits but it's very hard to notice on your own because of lots of random noise. Or diplomacy system that begs for something like EU4 macro diplomacy filter but instead is extremely inconsistent in its feedback. E.g. it will tell you that holy war might bring other rulers into the fight but never tells you that everybody loves this guy so they'll help him, or that he has tributaries so actually that number of troops thing is a lie. EU4 has a lot of randomness too, and sheer number of actors doesn't let you have a perfect plan. But in CK2 you can accidentally inherit HRE or can struggle for century never getting more than a duchy. Both playthroughs might be equally enjoyable cause you're forging an interesting story, not a path to victory, and playing CK2 as a challenge is punishing yourself.
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ilitarist posted:or that he has tributaries so actually that number of troops thing is a lie. fwiw this is fixed now. tributaries, allies, and tribal vassals now show up in the troop totals when you mouseover.
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ilitarist posted:E.g. there are objectively right ways to educate children depending on what you want from them even though the system looks like it's for roleplaying. I feel sorry for anyone who uses the term “objectively” when talking about this game. Relax.
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Yeah dude don't give the kid that you want to be an army leader a martial education, you're so uptight lol just click random buttons
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It's hard to read those posts and not know which level of irony they are on. Yeah, just choosing martial education isn't enough, https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Education#Strategies The point is that you can't talk about "objective" things in this game except when you can, it's inconsistent and unreliable. So you'd better not to think about it as a strategy game and not to try to play it well, play it fun. And there is the way to play it well, but it's not that fun, unlike EU4 where those playstyles are as close as they can be.
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ilitarist posted:It's hard to read those posts and not know which level of irony they are on. Yeah, just choosing martial education isn't enough, https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Education#Strategies I was just making fun of the "relax" comment. I normally turn off the Conclave education mechanics because I enjoy it far more to try to educate children personally and give them every good trait imaginable, so I'm definitely the guy who would be hunting own the best way to do anything in the files. What you find fun isn't what everyone finds fun.
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The game gives you a loose idea as to what traits you can get from each educational path, even if it leaves out important potential results. It can give you the illusion of making optimal choices even if it's not actually the objectively correct decision. That's a lot more common than you'd think with complex systems in games, and it's not even necessarily intentional to design it like that, because designers could've been fooled in the same way, or even didn't mean to put in an "optimal" path. It's a little like how climbing in Assassin's Creed looks complex and sometimes makes players feel like they're doing a bunch of things, when in practice it's mostly just holding a direction and one or two buttons while the game shows you complex animations you barely have control over. In the absence of real precision or complexity, games can still give you the illusion of control. Of course, it doesn't matter as much to me because I often am too busy with other things to worry about how my kid is growing up. I put enough time into trying to track down a good strategic marriage for the little fucker, I'm not gonna keep doublechecking his traits when I need to be busy destroying Scotland or something.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's a little like how climbing in Assassin's Creed looks complex and sometimes makes players feel like they're doing a bunch of things Does it? I'm willing to be overruled here but I didn't know anyone felt that the shift + W parkour system made them do a bunch of things. I vaguely remember people complaining about it on AC1's release, in fact, but that might be misremembered. I mean, there's that infamous jump up to a beam (in AC2 I think) that most people took ages to figure out because they didn't even know that you could just jump upwards, since most of the game is just auto-parkour.
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GrossMurpel posted:Does it? I'm willing to be overruled here but I didn't know anyone felt that the shift + W parkour system made them do a bunch of things. I vaguely remember people complaining about it on AC1's release, in fact, but that might be misremembered.
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Huntress X Thompson has a video specificially talking about the politics of Paradox games that is pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX-0pn_Xyyk
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Baronjutter posted:Huntress X Thompson has a video specificially talking about the politics of Paradox games that is pretty good. Obviously she is mistaken about Paradox being a singular entity that makes conscious decisions about mechanics and localisations... those are things individual developers do. You can at best say a particular project is biased/ignorant in a particular way
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Enjoy posted:Obviously she is mistaken about Paradox being a singular entity that makes conscious decisions about mechanics and localisations... those are things individual developers do. You can at best say a particular project is biased/ignorant in a particular way Death of the authors.
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hobbesmaster posted:Death of the authors. What do you mean
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Enjoy posted:Obviously she is mistaken about Paradox being a singular entity that makes conscious decisions about mechanics and localisations... those are things individual developers do. You can at best say a particular project is biased/ignorant in a particular way If Paradox allows the product out under their name then they're implicitly endorsing it.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:If Paradox allows the product out under their name then they're implicitly endorsing it. Okay, I guess Ebba Ljungerud thinks Pol Pot was an anarchist
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I'm not going to watch a half hour youtube video by someone named "Huntress X Thompson".
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Arrhythmia posted:I'm not going to watch a half hour youtube video by someone named "Huntress X Thompson".
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Don't judge a book by its cover.
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Arrhythmia posted:I'm not going to watch a half hour youtube video
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Poil posted:Don't judge a book by its cover. I wouldn't read a book by Huntress X Thompson either.
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GrossMurpel posted:Yeah dude don't give the kid that you want to be an army leader a martial education, you're so uptight lol just click random buttons Holy poo poo watch out for that point, it went just over your head!
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I watch few lengthy youtube videos but pdox games do present an inherently sort-of-bad message about how the world works, and despite protests by people who don't want to think about it, they do influence how people (especially kids and teenagers who do in fact play the poo poo out of these games) see history and by consequence modern society. It's an interesting topic and enjoyable to talk about imo, and I'd like to see Paradox take stronger steps against the outright fash section of their fanbase. Any sort of historical strategy game attracts various brands of crazy nationalist but you don't have to, as a company, be polite to them or sidestep telling them to gently caress off. But again, it's video games so it doesn't matter and besides it's a total coincidence that nazis make memes about CK and EU more than about Pokémon.
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GrossMurpel posted:I was just making fun of the "relax" comment. I normally turn off the Conclave education mechanics because I enjoy it far more to try to educate children personally and give them every good trait imaginable, so I'm definitely the guy who would be hunting own the best way to do anything in the files. Can you turn off the Conclave education mechanics without turning off Conclave's Council mechanics as well? Because if I have to choose between one or the other I would choose the council, but I definitely do like the original education mechanics better than what we have now, so I would love to split the difference like this.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Any sort of historical strategy game attracts various brands of crazy nationalist but you don't have to, as a company, be polite to them or sidestep telling them to gently caress off. Ah but you see, that might cost this publicly traded company money, and it is capitalism we live under. Number Must Go UP.
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