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Felix is trying to talk Ingrid out of dying like Glenn. He fails because he is, above all, a teenager. Also Sylvain has no idea how to interact with women which is why hes so awkward with Marianne. He genuinely wants to help her but again, teenagers.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Felix is trying to talk Ingrid out of dying like Glenn. Teenagers emotionally stunted by trauma no less.
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Nov 26, 2019 19:12
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Saying she should be a wife and not a knight doesn’t seem to fit the setting even a little bit. Every noble seems to get trained in combat and is expected to fight regularly. They’re sending half trained kids into battle, for God’s sake.
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Nov 26, 2019 19:21
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BurningStone posted:Saying she should be a wife and not a knight doesn’t seem to fit the setting even a little bit. Every noble seems to get trained in combat and is expected to fight regularly. They’re sending half trained kids into battle, for God’s sake. Charitably, it might be Felix rejecting that system altogether. He loathes chivalry, and as much as he seems to think the only thing that gives him value is strength and combat ability, its pretty clear that he doesn't want that for Ingrid and this might be the only way -however stunted and wrongheaded- he can imagine her getting out of that fate. Also, about Ferdinand's philosophical position, I don't know if there's a better term for it than "teleology", or the belief that all things have an in-built purpose for which they're designed and are best off when fulfilling. It was a core of Aristotelian logic and thus became a crux of all European thought, philosophical and theological, in the middle ages. It was part of the authoritarian ethos of feudalism and spread into Calvinist predetermination in a manner, but it doesn't have to be a tool of vicious authoritarianism. Some thinkers in the 20th century thought that one of the critical ideological mistakes of the Enlightenment was trying to take away this intrinsic sense of purpose, creating a recipe for nihilistic capitalism or laying the foundation for people seeking meaning to find it as cogs in fascist machinery. And that's all for my terrible summary of philosophical concepts. Since I'm posting, wanted to chime in and say that I'm really enjoying the LP, and I even enjoyed the talk about TEA. Looking forward to the next update.
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Nov 26, 2019 19:29
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Felix's problem with chivalry is the part where knights keep sacrificing themselves for their lords. He sees this as the reason why his brother died and really doesn't want anyone else doing the same crap. Given how Ingrid holds the values of knighthood in esteem, it's a concern with basis, too.
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Nov 26, 2019 21:30
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The Byleth tournament is beyond ridiculous. My latest Byleth was so absurdly, utterly, insanely blessed and even he struggled in it. And, I haven't been able to confirm this myself, that Nuvelle battalion with the DEF+6 gambit apparently applies the buff the whole battle, not just one turn. So, drat good! As if +8 MAG on another wasn't strong enough.
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Nov 26, 2019 21:40
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Sinner Sandwich posted:Also, about Ferdinand's philosophical position, I don't know if there's a better term for it than "teleology", or the belief that all things have an in-built purpose for which they're designed and are best off when fulfilling. It was a core of Aristotelian logic and thus became a crux of all European thought, philosophical and theological, in the middle ages. It was part of the authoritarian ethos of feudalism and spread into Calvinist predetermination in a manner, but it doesn't have to be a tool of vicious authoritarianism. Some thinkers in the 20th century thought that one of the critical ideological mistakes of the Enlightenment was trying to take away this intrinsic sense of purpose, creating a recipe for nihilistic capitalism or laying the foundation for people seeking meaning to find it as cogs in fascist machinery. Do you mind if I put that in the update? This is interesting stuff.
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Nov 27, 2019 16:12
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Do you mind if I put that in the update? This is interesting stuff. By all means, though I don't think I did a very good job of explaining it. If you want some better explanations of it, I know a good podcast that explains some of this stuff in a very comprehensive way for folks who don't have a backing in philosophy.
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Nov 27, 2019 17:21
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Sinner Sandwich posted:By all means, though I don't think I did a very good job of explaining it. If you want some better explanations of it, I know a good podcast that explains some of this stuff in a very comprehensive way for folks who don't have a backing in philosophy. I’d like to know the podcast.
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Nov 27, 2019 19:01
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BurningStone posted:I’d like to know the podcast. It's Philosophize This! by Steven West. https://open.spotify.com/episode/5QeUVCeJNGzW0BHSPanxFx?si=AL_OujWPTTa9M_upzPggRA Here's one of the episodes relevant to Teleology and whether or not the Enlightenment was right (in the view of Leo Strauss) to do away with a structure of logic that necessitated Meaning and Purpose to things. e: somehow forgot to paste the link, go me
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Nov 27, 2019 20:19
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 Update 24. (SSLP Test Poster version.)
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Nov 28, 2019 14:03
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Whew. Y’know, I don’t think I’ve said this before, but big Credit to the artists doing Abby’s facial expressions. Her more empathetic emotions like concern and sadness always come through beautifully.
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Nov 28, 2019 15:09
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Anime dad, no! Anime dad, no! Again!
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Nov 28, 2019 15:27
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I really appreciate Abby not losing her cool and going from zero to murder in minus five seconds. Good on the writers to remember the MC has limited time travel available.
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Nov 28, 2019 16:24
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Remembering that Divine Pulse is an option in-universe is UNBELIEVABLY refreshing after Fates ignoring Dragon Veins outside of gameplay or Echoes not updating its story at all to reflect Mila's Turnwheel.
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Nov 28, 2019 19:10
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Faillen Angel posted:Remembering that Divine Pulse is an option in-universe is UNBELIEVABLY refreshing after Fates ignoring Dragon Veins outside of gameplay or Echoes not updating its story at all to reflect Mila's Turnwheel. I can't think of any encounter in the story that would change by using the Turnwheel.
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Nov 28, 2019 19:42
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It's a little unfortunate that the event gets telegraphed so hard because it is honestly a well-done scene. Between his lack of supports, the fact that you can't give him presents, and his narrative role in the game, it's ends up kind of obvious how it's going to go. As for Flayn, it's better to wait till her promotion at 20, since that'll guarenteed put her speed floor up to 12. I've honestly never had a Flayn who DIDN'T need that level 20 boost to up her speed.
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Nov 28, 2019 20:52
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Keldulas posted:It's a little unfortunate that the event gets telegraphed so hard because it is honestly a well-done scene. Between his lack of supports, the fact that you can't give him presents, and his narrative role in the game, it's ends up kind of obvious how it's going to go. I love when games properly hide that stuff like this is coming, or even mis-direct you with that stuff Ys 8 does it very well with some of it castaways
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Nov 29, 2019 20:27
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I can't believe Jiraiya died, what a type cast
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Nov 29, 2019 22:50
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Tae posted:I can't believe Jiraiya died, what a type cast I only just noticed that they shared the same VAs.
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Nov 29, 2019 22:59
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Update 25. (SSLP Test Poster version.) Content warning: discussions of loss, grieving, death, and the emotions that come with each. Also, we need to vote on who to take into the Sealed Forest. Abby is the only forced deployment, so you can vote for any of these characters:
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Dec 1, 2019 05:21
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Hubert, Bernie, Dorothea They're my three favorites.
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Edelgard, Hubert, Sylvain. While I do understand why you would be emotional about this moment... I'm sorry, playing way too many FE games ruined this for me. Jeralt may as well have had a giant flag over him that said "I AM GOING TO DIE" over him. The dead parent trope has been beaten to death from other FE games.
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Oh and I know a lot of people dont get Hubert, but I get him. I understand his sense of duty and his application of logic instead of emotion.
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Shamir, Dorothea and Caspar
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Dec 1, 2019 06:39
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Caspar, Ferdinand, Shamir are all great
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Dec 1, 2019 06:43
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I'm not sure I understand Hubert's motivations beyond blind devotion to Edelgard but against my better judgement I really like him. Jeralt's death was poorly telegraphed in advance, but it was very touching to talk to everyone around Garreg Mach who offered advice, support or condolences. Also his journal entries just make me angry at Rhea even more.
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Dec 1, 2019 07:07
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The fact that fiction has power and sways us and we connect with the characters of it and gain meaning is always something integral to it. HOwever we identify and view the events, the characters, the circumstances.. The fact it can do this is often signs of it being good fiction. And that it hooks in those engaging in it. So.. Your own words on top of here to give significance and elaborate make reading it a lot more powerful (as someone who can't play the game) and give moments meaning.
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Dec 1, 2019 07:59
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I'm of the opinion that despite the fact Jeralt's death was pretty telegraphed, it still completely works. In a way, it's like the Hitchcockian nature of suspense. Any player paying attention basically knows that the tragedy is coming, but not the exact nature or how it's handled, and it's not really a twist or anything so much as it is a major character moment for Abby and many others. Heck, they don't even totally go through with the move of his death cutting you off from the information, because his journal that he warned them to find has the information, almost as if even Jeralt himself could see the death flags and wasn't sure he could dodge them all. It's not a punch in the gut because the player didn't see it coming. It's a punch in the gut because the characters didn't, and the game takes the time to explore their grief. Unrelatedly, I like Hubert, the goofball. He's endearing to me. Hubert, Petra, Dorothea.
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I just want to stop for a moment to thank you for sharing such a personal story. I can definitely sympathise with crying at the end of a beloved series, regardless of age.
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I remember crying at video games ending. The ones that come to mind are Grandia and Lunar 2 Eternal Blue on the approach to their final dungeons. When I was thinking 'man, this is it. Come along all this way, met and shared time with these characters, enjoyed their story and it's almost over. I'm sad to see them go.' Similarly I've done the same with books and shows. It's sad to see good things end but all good things end. Jadecore posted:I'm of the opinion that despite the fact Jeralt's death was pretty telegraphed, it still completely works. I'll be waiting to see if later plot beats recontextualize his death like certain beats in Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn does for Greil's though. Edelgard, Lysithea, Shamir.
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Dec 1, 2019 10:14
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Edelgard, Hubert, Lysithea.
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Dec 1, 2019 10:23
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Bernie leaving her room is super touching to me, too. I like how you're rewarded if you don't embarass her by making a big deal out of her leaving her room and just thank her instead.
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Dec 1, 2019 12:03
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Fear the edge of dawn. Edelgard, Hubert, Lysithea.
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Add me to the Hubert-likers; I wasn't super fond of him at first, but he grew on me after a while. I love one (1) scheming bastard man! I wonder how I would feel about Jeralt's death if I went into it blind; knowing about an event in a story always takes some of the impact from it, even if it's also really obvious what will happen because this is fire emblem and we can't have good, alive dads in fire emblem. 
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I don't like Hubert in general (so far), but for my two cents on the subject of grief and dealing with loss, I appreciate his response to Jeralt's death. I'm one of those people who's found I handle grief best by throwing myself into work. If I sit still and ruminate, those feelings tend to eat me alive, so I always find something to do, something that gives me a sense of purpose. It helps me carry on, and I tend to feel that the person who died wouldn't want me to curl up and cry. Hubert seems to be the same way.
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Like Clockwork posted:Add me to the Hubert-likers; I wasn't super fond of him at first, but he grew on me after a while. I love one (1) scheming bastard man! After playing most of these it’s astonishing that Eliwood survives FE6. Hubert I realized pretty quickly is basically Snape, which added enough of a framework for how he acts to latch onto his softer moments rather than hating his abrasiveness. Although I also played BE first, so I was immediately getting supports and didn’t realize he has just one line about Jeralt here, which definitely makes a difference. For the life of me I cannot remember ever seeing this Doro/Casper support. It’s weird seeing her immediately zero in on his boisterousness being a cover for feeling weak or looked down on, I don’t this this sorta complex ever shows in most of his supports even though it’s a natural explanation.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:because even a year and a half after graduating, I still can't find a godsdamned entry-level software job that will take me. Goddamn that hit close to home. I'm about to hit the year mark myself. I think the best part is constantly hearing everyone talk about how it's a hot field. Caspar Shamir Hat
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FoolyCharged posted:Goddamn that hit close to home. I'm about to hit the year mark myself. I think the best part is constantly hearing everyone talk about how it's a hot field. I'm sure it's hot if you're not stuck in California, where there's a glut of established companies that want the impossible out of you, because California is the Tech State. That's how that works, right? I've had a sinking feeling of dread for a while that I ended up majoring in what might as well have been law for how saturated the job market for it is, all because I genuinely like programming. It's also fun being LGBT+ and, therefore, feeling unsafe in most states that don't have absurd costs of living...
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Right, votes, I forgot those.quote:Hubert: 5 Felix and Ferdinand are tied for the 9th slot. quote:Annette: 1
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