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I like the new avatar Rarity. https://twitter.com/Norwich4JC/status/1200519732086149121?s=20  Much as I like RLB Sturgeon had some excellent poise tonight, between this and her relaxed against the podium while dishing out putdowns stance earlier. All three ladies did really well I think actually.(Swinson isn't a lady, more of a janky embarrassment driven golem of centerism) On the state spending thing, it's truly extraordinary. Going rock hard for state protectionism and Make Britain Great Again (by loving over your trade partners) ... right when you need to do a trade deal. It'll be overlooked by most of the media and maybe even voters, but it's an astounding anti free trade position from a conservative government. You just have to wonder who they're trying to appeal to with that. Happy Comrade Thought of the Day: Even if we 'lose' this election, we've already won massive changes in the status quo https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-why-the-economic-battleground-has-shifted-to-the-left-11873046 E: 407 is Proxy Authentication Required. Make sure the people you give your proxy vote to are trustworthy! EE: Calling out OwlFancier for not doing the obvious 404: Tory Majority Not Found joke RockyB fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Nov 29, 2019 |
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big scary monsters posted:One reason why FART is the better initialism. Anti-TERF can be claimed to be anti-feminist, anti-FART is just anti-transphobe (and also what happens if you eat anti-beans). anti fart is what happens when the beans go the opposite direction
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Nov 29, 2019 23:19
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OwlFancier posted:if that society causes people to want to destroy it, that's an indictment of the society, terrorism doesn't happen because one day someone got posessed by loving moon goblins and that just happens to people at random and there's nothing we can do about it. so the nicaraguan peasants deserved to see their children raped and murdered by the contras? or at the very least the rape and murder was an indictment of their society? how about the koreans and the vietnamese, all those US bombs were an indictment of their society? what about the salafi gangs who took over aleppo and idlib, same story? indictment of those societies?
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Nov 29, 2019 23:20
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1200538416976408577 the problem for the tories is it comes right back around to: everything is so chronically underfunded that its hosed and he was probably let out on license because they really needed the prison space
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Nov 29, 2019 23:20
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Nov 29, 2019 23:23
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Pencils R Cool posted:I've just paused New Order for this, now you lot have to suffer too: Meh, I prefer the Breunion Boys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncHAwux70u8
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Nov 29, 2019 23:24
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Jose posted:the problem for the tories is it comes right back around to: everything is so chronically underfunded that its hosed and he was probably let out on license because they really needed the prison space And the fact that he probably received nothing in the way of deradicalisation while in prison, and the only fig leaf of protection the public got when he was released was a crappy electronic tag likely run by a private company. It's not that rehabilitative justice has failed, it's that the Tories don't do it. All the Tories have to defend themselves is promising longer and longer sentences. Which unless all terror-related offences are going to get life just isn't going to hold water. I really hope Labour goes for the jugular on this. gently caress decorum, they talk bit but their failed policies can't keep their own citizens safe.
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Nov 29, 2019 23:28
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Jose posted:the problem for the tories is it comes right back around to: everything is so chronically underfunded that its hosed and he was probably let out on license because they really needed the prison space "And Jeremy Corbyn wants to let EVERYONE out of prisons!" Rarity posted:Jesus loving christ Another voice saying your new av is 
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Nov 29, 2019 23:29
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Rarity posted:Jesus loving christ the manchester bomber and his dad were MI6 assets who were ratlined into libya and back to the UK when they'd done the job tbf, the intelligence services are dreadful at keeping track of these people
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Nov 29, 2019 23:32
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Ms Adequate posted:Another voice saying your new av is Thanks Ms A (and everyone!) And big thanks to VG for making it and Mebhin for gifting it 
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Oh goodie, as if we didn't have enough rightwing shitheads screaming about lefties screaming about #falseflag. Needs to be spun as massive tory underfunding I guess. I can see it being a big *tough on crime* thing for next Fridays debate. Also yes, I did deliberately conflate authentication and authorisation in my last post. Shhh. E: Oh dear god twitter needs an Unlike, Dislike, loving PURGE button. I am metaphorically and nearly literally vomiting. RockyB fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Nov 29, 2019 |
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Nov 29, 2019 23:33
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jabby posted:All the Tories have to defend themselves is promising longer and longer sentences. Which unless all terror-related offences are going to get life just isn't going to hold water. That's not really all they have - they also have the evergreen response of being extremely racist.
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Nov 29, 2019 23:34
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I think all the hostile questions about boris's offspring are unseemly. It's so obvious he genuinely just doesn't know whether, how many or mothered by who, children he has, and he is surely too honourable to confess it. who can fault him
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Nov 29, 2019 23:37
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jabby posted:And the fact that he probably received nothing in the way of deradicalisation while in prison, and the only fig leaf of protection the public got when he was released was a crappy electronic tag likely run by a private company. It's not that rehabilitative justice has failed, it's that the Tories don't do it. Good job nae oval office in the press will hold them to account eh?
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Nov 29, 2019 23:38
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it always turns out these dipshits were known to the security services, doesn't it. whatever the strategy is it doesn't seem to be working, i suggest maybe trying something else.
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big scary monsters posted:That's not really all they have - they also have the evergreen response of being extremely racist. Of course. But they can't handwave this one away with a line about more random stop and search. He was a known danger. Labour can go after: - A prison system that offers nothing to deradicalize prisoners, and often makes them worse. - A parole system that isn't fit for purpose, and can't identify dangerous people. - Post-release monitoring that offers only the illusion of security. - Overcrowded prisons leading to pressure to release people early. - 20,000 less police on the streets. We don't know yet what this guy was convicted for, but unless the Tories are proposing mandatory whole-life terms for whatever it was their argument about sentencing is going to crumble. The guy went into this wanting to get shot, a few more years inside would've just delayed the inevitable. forkboy84 posted:Good job nae oval office in the press will hold them to account eh? Of course not, that's why Labour has to hammer the Tories on this in speeches, interviews, and the TV debates.
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https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1200543608635572225?s=20 This gets even weirder
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gh0stpinballa posted:it always turns out these dipshits were known to the security services, doesn't it. whatever the strategy is it doesn't seem to be working, i suggest maybe trying something else.
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Nov 29, 2019 23:45
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Holy poo poo. Don't think one of the 'heroes' being a murderer on day release helps the Tory line about tougher sentences for violent crime.
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Nov 29, 2019 23:46
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Wait, so the guy was on day release, the guy who tackled him is also a murderer and may very well have been throwing away actual coke in that baggie. Jesus loving... what?
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Nov 29, 2019 23:46
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1200543608635572225?s=20 Were... were they both going to the same conference?
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Nov 29, 2019 23:47
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Okay come the gently caress on this is just a satirical theatre troupe who were trying to film a farce, but it went too far, right?
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Josef bugman posted:Wait, so the guy was on day release, the guy who tackled him is also a murderer and may very well have been throwing away actual coke in that baggie. Jesus loving... what? Great Britain is a land of contrasting shades of hosed up.
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Josef bugman posted:Wait, so the guy was on day release, the guy who tackled him is also a murderer and may very well have been throwing away actual coke in that baggie. Jesus loving... what? 2019 
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Nov 29, 2019 23:48
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jabby posted:Of course. But they can't handwave this one away with a line about more random stop and search. He was a known danger. forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1200543608635572225?s=20
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RockyB posted:Okay come the gently caress on this is just a satirical theatre troupe who were trying to film a farce, but it went too far, right? I hear they call themselves The Aristocrats.
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1200543608635572225?s=20 Alright, I now buy that we’re living in a simulation, and it’s been running for far too long.
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Josef bugman posted:Wait, so the guy was on day release, the guy who tackled him is also a murderer and may very well have been throwing away actual coke in that baggie. Jesus loving... what? Holy poo poo balls, this is seat edge stuff. Murders stopping murderers,? Fucks up a potential Tory "grr murders to blame" spin.
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Nov 29, 2019 23:50
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My dad has seen this and he's currently screaming about how Corbyn will "let all the terrorists in and give them everything" as if this is his fault somehow. It's unbelievable just how deep the brain worms run in some people.
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Nov 29, 2019 23:53
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Nov 29, 2019 23:53
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The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a murder conviction is a good guy with a murder conviction.
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Just noticed this line on the Mail front page: "Others chased terrorist with fire extinguishers" and I know 2 people died but it's an image from a slapstick comedy. I'm imagining the people chasing him are Eddie Hitler & Richie Richard.
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Nov 29, 2019 23:56
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forkboy84 posted:Just noticed this line on the Mail front page: "Others chased terrorist with fire extinguishers" and I know 2 people died but it's an image from a slapstick comedy. I'm imagining the people chasing him are Eddie Hitler & Richie Richard. Don't be silly. https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1200530693614395393
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Braggart posted:Okay cool. My personal view is that it is acceptable to use lethal force if it is necessary to protect people's lives. But I don't think it's necessary as often as the police seem to. What about the fact that police officers never get any real punishment for unnecessary killings they perpetrate? What about the fact that the police invariably argue that any killings they perform were justified, going so far as to lie about the victims and even plant evidence? My view of this is that it's wise to maintain a healthy skepticism about what the police say, because they lie to protect each other constantly. Be skeptical, and have independent investigations that the police can't lean on. If they are being honest, they will be vindicated. But if they are lying, they should be immediately suspended and a criminal investigation should proceed. In fact, I approve of immediate suspension from duty on suspicion, because having just killed someone they could probably use some time off and some mental health support. And also just in case they are a danger. That's what the investigation should determine. I agree with you here, it is a disgrace how the police behave when they get something wrong and we really really need to punish bad actors and liars when they are found out. Braggart posted:
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Nov 29, 2019 23:59
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British spies face millions of budget cuts. Piece from 2013 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10140310/British-spies-face-millions-of-budget-cuts.html quote:Millions of pounds will be cut from MI5, MI6 and GCHQ budgets despite MPs warning they are badly overworked.
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Rarity posted:Radio 4 can gently caress right off More like the making GBS threads forecast 
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