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Flipswitch posted:Morning goons - are there any resources on the manifestos for people with low literacy skills? I work in the charity sector and one of my friends works with the homeless specifically. We've been successful in getting people able to register to vote but this is the next stumbling block. There's this which might be appropriate? Seems to be a third party so dunno how accurate they'll be https://www.unitedresponse.org.uk/party-manifestos-2019
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RockyB posted:Thanks, I literally hate that I had to see that. From the FT article: quote:Mr Corbyn, the Labour leader, eventually came out in favour of a second poll, but last week he pledged to take a “neutral” stance in any referendum, a move that many believe has again muddled his party’s position. IT'S CORBYN'S FAULT! There's also a quote in there about how the Lib Dems had to run a presidential style campaign focusing on Jo Swinson because that's what the other parties were doing 
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it'll turn out he was a really dumb mean kid from a relatively comfy petit bourgeois family won't it. always does. honestly there's some interesting similarities between pepes in the US and salafi terrorists. i remember reading accounts of people who survived aleppo and they'd talk about how these wacky young men from dusseldorf would misquote bits of the koran and talk about gaming in (bad) arabic in between executing people and shaking down market traders. it's scary to think that for all the "deeper analysis" and hot takes these dudes are really just arrested adolescent jack offs who wanna die in a blaze of glory.
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I've tried not to be suspicious and tinfoil hat but why the gently caress is it that we consistently get these 'terrorist attacks' when the conservatives are doing badly near elections? It's like clockwork.
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Igotadigbick posted:I've tried not to be suspicious and tinfoil hat but why the gently caress is it that we consistently get these 'terrorist attacks' when the conservatives are doing badly near elections? It's like clockwork. it is tinfoil hat. consider that if you were a terrorist when would be the best time to communicate a message it would be when a whole nation is watching the news and every talking head is looking for something to comment on it is not some inside job or anything like that, it is literally the perfect time for it for an individual or organisation looking to make a political statement.
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gh0stpinballa posted:it'll turn out he was a really dumb mean kid from a relatively comfy petit bourgeois family won't it. lol yep, his family owned land in pakistan and he wanted to "build a terrorist training camp" on it. jfc these dickheads are so loving stupid.
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RockyB posted:Thanks, I literally hate that I had to see that. Doesn't this mean that both the lib dems and the snp, for all their posturing, have the same brexit position as Labour? https://www.snp.org/policies/what-is-the-snp-plan-for-brexit/ quote:We believe that MPs should come together to support a new referendum on EU membership. The debate in 2016 has been consistently shown to have been manipulated and undermined by misinformation and false promises. The truth has now been laid bare and in the absence of a consensus in Parliament the choice must be put back to the people This is something that I've found comes up more in casual political conversions with friends/family rather than on the doors, but there's definitely a consensus than voting lib dem/snp is better if you don't like brexit
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Another Person posted:it is tinfoil hat. consider that if you were a terrorist when would be the best time to communicate a message Yes, it doesn't require coordination, it's a point as you say where everyone is hyper focused on politics and also when there is maximum political coverage of stuff to make people angry.
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for perspective, the IRA carried out 7 attacks during election cycles in british history, and then another one the exact day after while that barely covers the extent of the attacks carried out, it coincides neatly with political events and is effective for putting issues on agendas
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This has got lost in the actually more important news of a terrorist attack, but it's still pertinent because of the election.Rail fares to rise by 2.7% in January posted:Millions of commuters will have to pay an average of 2.7% more for rail tickets from 2 January.
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I posted on FB about some of the bizarro things re the perp being a terrorist on a tag and the hero being a murderer on day release and the chucked baggie or maccieD or whatever it was had quite a sensible exchange of comments last night. This morning I noticed a couple of my friends from the tin foil hat brigade have commented so I have hidden the post so only I can see it lest I get accused of being a leftist conspiracy theorist! Meanwhile in other non-political news: Can anyone recommend an odour neutralizer for the smell of stale cigs. I think the previous owner must have smoked in his bedroom and despite carpet shampoo etc, the smell lingers. Wasn't that noticeable before I bought the place, but I have very sensitive nose when it comes to cig stinks. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Nov 30, 2019 |
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So his sentence in 2012 was a minimum of 8 years and he'd already been out for 1
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willie_dee posted:I have far more faith in a bullet to the head neutralising someone with an S-Vest on than random members of the public struggling to detain someone who has multiple knives hidden on their body and is actively resisting and wanting to die. S-Vest
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Jose posted:So his sentence in 2012 was a minimum of 8 years and he'd already been out for 1 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/30/usman-khan-profile-terrorist-who-wanted-to-bomb-london-stock-exchange "Khan was originally classed as never to be released unless deemed no longer a threat but this condition was later lifted. He was freed in licence in December 2018."  What sort of clowns do we have making these decisions?
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I'm not enormously keen to suggest indefinite prison sentences for anyone convicted of a terror offence.
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https://twitter.com/pewence/status/1200709383795171328 You fools! Don't you know that trying to learn from history is the stupidest thing you can do? I trust the Conservatives to protect my freedoms from the Left! 
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If only someone hadn't taught me that all politicians regardless of party are venal self-centered buffoons with no interest in improving the world, only their careers, Armando.
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Pesky Splinter posted:This has got lost in the actually more important news of a terrorist attack, but it's still pertinent because of the election. As a rail operator myself (in Pocket Trains) I think it is actually quite generous of them to not raise fares by as much as they are arguing that they could. Be grateful to your masters, peasants! 
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Igotadigbick posted:I've tried not to be suspicious and tinfoil hat but why the gently caress is it that we consistently get these 'terrorist attacks' when the conservatives are doing badly near elections? It's like clockwork. It's the time when the mill of ordinary life is penetrated by politics everywhere, not allowing you to put your head down and forget that you're powerless and that as an individual you don't have a big impact. Unless...
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A blank cheque to rewrite everything is pretty much what all majority parties have had in the UK, to the same extent that permits. We just have a ~convention~ where they don't. Seems weird to get mad about the extremely vague bad things when there's some very specific bad things in there to get mad about. It's like people in the Blair era who were terrified of the Civil Contingencies Act but not all the authoritarian poo poo they actually did.
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I hope Jezza gives the tories a kicking over the rail fares thing, that's going to resonate with a lot of people. https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1200690606395338757?s=20 Come, friendly Corbyn, and nationalise now! Swarm over, Death! Come, bombs and blow to smithereens Those air -conditioned, bright canteens, Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans, Tinned minds, tinned breath. And get that man with double chin Who'll always cheat and always win, Who washes his repulsive skin In women's tears: And smash his desk of polished oak And smash his hands so used to stroke And stop his boring dirty joke And make him yell. Sadly tinned minds seems to be the thing. Quite a few depressing voxpoppy type articles on the graun lately (a goddamn Freedland article making a good point, no less) https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/29/politicians-liars-boris-johnson-voters-prime-minister-brexit quote:The memory of that resurfaced on Thursday night, as I sat in a small meeting room in a Holiday Inn in Newcastle-under-Lyme, just outside Stoke, watching a focus group made up almost entirely of Labour leave voters, convened by the public relations company Edelman. As they discussed the current campaign, what they believed and, more importantly, who they believed, it was tempting to conclude that we are living through Britain’s first post-truth election. Not in the sense of politicians lying – that’s not new – but in terms of the impact that post-truth, the casual disregard for the difference between truth and falsehood, is having on us, the electorate. That's why it's so important to get out and campaign, give someone a face to the party that isn't 'lying politician'. So props to everyone in this thread who's doing so. RockyB fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Nov 30, 2019 |
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It’s actually good that the tories want to rewrite the constitution because that way no one can complain when Jeremy Corbyn does it later to usher in full communism
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I think that guy is being sarcastic efb
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The reports are saying that yesterday's terrorist was released on licence as required by law. If asked about this law specifically, how should Labour respond?
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They should say that clearly people can't be imprisoned indefinitely and the problem is the complete failure of the justice system to rehabilitate the guy in the six years he was inside. Of course doing that would probably cost them the election because britain is full of proto fascists so idfk.
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Think the judge on the case back in 2012 was Lord (Justice) Leveson too Clearly the puppet master sending a message about press regulation there
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stev posted:I feel like that's just bad sarcasm. Yeah actually, I think you're right. There are always people jumping in to claim that Labour are a worse example of whatever horrible poo poo the Tories have just done, and I read "think and know history" as "think you know history", which changes the meaning a fair bit. I guess his real meaning was "I am very smart and sick of all the dummies who vote differently to me." Poe's Law is getting a real workout this election
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Campaigning is still going on outside London today, right? I was planning on heading over to Kingswood this afternoon for some canvassing.
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Guest posted:It didn't hurt Labour too badly last time there was a there was a terrorist attack on London Bridge just prior to an election.
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RockyB posted:Sadly tinned minds seems to be the thing. Quite a few depressing voxpoppy type articles on the graun lately (a goddamn Freedland article making a good point, no less) Erm, it falls at the second hurdle with habitual Tory voters. Specifically, those habitual Tory voters. Freedland is extrapolating that to claim that Johnson's strategy is working with voters as a whole (what about the constant mockery of Johnson for answering every question with "Get Brexit done!"?) and that Labour's comprehensive manifesto promises are not resonating with voters. We have seen plenty of evidence that they are. Some people are skeptical, but that will always be the case. Jonathan Freedland does not make good points.
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Rarity posted:Campaigning is still going on outside London today, right? I was planning on heading over to Kingswood this afternoon for some canvassing. pretty sure morning campaign work is cancelled too
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Rarity posted:Campaigning is still going on outside London today, right? I was planning on heading over to Kingswood this afternoon for some canvassing. Door knocking is cancelled until 2 but some places are preparing leaflet and Christmas card drops. Are you in the whatsapp?
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Rarity posted:Campaigning is still going on outside London today, right? I was planning on heading over to Kingswood this afternoon for some canvassing. Ours is on pause until this afternoon, check with the local campaign.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Yeah. There were a bunch of ghouls coming to the thread to crow about it but Corbyn actually has a much better line on hot to stop terrorism than status quo liberals do Yes, that always happens. And then someone says that it's our fault for not accepting their hooting triumphalism. And then someone says that we're all super sensitive because this happens every time there's a terror attack. Because disgusting vultures take it as an opportunity to barge in and try to score points. But yeah, it's our fault
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