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Elgin is better than Cena on what planet? Out of the ring stuff aside, Cena hasn’t even tapped into the full range of his abilities meanwhile Elgin struggles at being stronk.
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Punch McLightning posted:He's had 42, per Cagematch, and some of these names are amazing. Cena is an easy top 20 out of that list for me, top 15 becomes tough.
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Nov 29, 2019 20:24
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Minoru Suzuki Tomohiro Ishii Katsuyori Shibata Zack Sabre Jr. Kazuchika Okada Naomichi Marufuji AJ Styles Juice Robinson Shinsuke Nakamura Kota Ibushi Yuji Nagata Kenny Omega Toru Yano -this is where Cena would be- Ryusuke Taguchi Hirooki Goto SANADA HARASHIMA EVIL Taichi Shota Umino KENTA Tetsuya Naito KUSHIDA Hangman Page Roderick Strong Matt Sydal Jay White Adam Cole Will Ospreay Lance Archer Billy Gunn Tama Tonga Doc Gallows Dalton Castle Togi Makabe Yujiro Takahashi Bad Luck Fale YOSHI-HASHI Michael Elgin Hiroyoshi Tenzan 14th is pretty respectable.
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Nov 29, 2019 20:41
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Wow what the gently caress did Tenzan do to you to get that treatment
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Nov 29, 2019 21:00
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Michael Elgin is a lovely human but he’s a very good wrestler when he’s given the chance to be
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Edge & Christian posted:Going backwards chronologically: If you throw in tag opponents he's faced (& why wouldn't you, they were his opponents still) you can add Daisuke Sekimoto & Kento Miyahara, & then guys like Chase Owens, Taguchi, Kanemaru, Roppongi 3K, El Phantasmo, Ishimori, TAKA, David Starr, Brian Cage. Kinda sucks that Tana hasn't done more freelance shows.
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Nov 29, 2019 21:27
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I want to live in the world where Cena and Tanahashi had their 10 star match 
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Nov 29, 2019 23:02
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forkboy84 posted:If you throw in tag opponents he's faced (& why wouldn't you, they were his opponents still) you can add Daisuke Sekimoto & Kento Miyahara, & then guys like Chase Owens, Taguchi, Kanemaru, Roppongi 3K, El Phantasmo, Ishimori, TAKA, David Starr, Brian Cage. In researching this, I also discovered that Tanahashi had a 20 minute singles match with someone named Absolute Andy. And one with Rush in CMLL, but that was six years ago and not germane to the discussion.
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Nov 29, 2019 23:28
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Spikegal posted:this just in: I love y'all. 
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Nov 30, 2019 00:03
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Edge & Christian posted:Throwing in tag opponents seemed unfair to Big Match Johnathan, because tag team wrestling is beneath the four time tag champ I too have never watched an episode of the longest running weekly episodic television series Monday night raw
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Nov 30, 2019 00:43
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Nov 30, 2019 07:32
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Bryan burying the producer as he signs up for the Dark Order was a good bit
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Nov 30, 2019 11:10
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Goto is better than Cena.
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Nov 30, 2019 12:37
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Cena will never be a dad, and therefore not as good as the New Japan Dads
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Nov 30, 2019 13:56
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ThePariah posted:Goto is better than Cena.
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Nov 30, 2019 18:14
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Coaaab posted:at choking, maybe The end of Goto/KENTA feud will be Shibata turning on Goto and having the LA Young Lions attack him cause Shibata will be tired of Goto choking
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Nov 30, 2019 18:23
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SatoshiMiwa posted:The end of Goto/KENTA feud will be Shibata turning on Goto and having the LA Young Lions attack him cause Shibata will be tired of Goto choking No silly, Shibata LIKES choking, so he'll put Goto in one.
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Nov 30, 2019 19:02
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sportsgenius86 posted:Michael Elgin is a lovely human but he’s a very good wrestler when he’s given the chance to be Not really.
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Nov 30, 2019 21:21
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MJeff posted:Not really. Just to follow up on he's really good in CMLL for some reason, I have no idea as to why that is but if you go back and look at his CMLL matches he seemed to pick up the style really quickly. I'm talking high level poo poo like doing springboard arm drags and really good topes. Outside of that he's very meh. Watch last year's CMLL Gran Prix for reference, match starts at 1:48:00 https://youtu.be/MuPLNMCzbG0
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Nov 30, 2019 22:58
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starting sometime in 2013 and running through the 2015 g1 elgin was really hot poo poo online. it cooled because he cooled but pushed guys push guys' eyes............
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Nov 30, 2019 23:04
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MJeff posted:Not really. I mean, yeah, he is. He's got some very annoying qualities & seems to have regressed in the ring from when he was in the IWGP IC title scene, but when he's got the right opponent like the recent Big Japan match with Sekimoto? He's still good. It's fine, you can admit someone is good at wrestling without liking them as a person.
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Nov 30, 2019 23:36
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I legitimately never understood the appeal of Elgin. He's a decent wrestler but not mind-blowing. His gimmick is just "technical big guy" but he's not really good enough to live up the technical part and he's not big for wrestling. He's not bad, he's a decent wrestler. But I've never ever understood his appeal and don't understand him.
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Nov 30, 2019 23:45
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Elgin had a very good match with loving YOSHI-HASHI and no one will ever be able to take that away from him
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Nov 30, 2019 23:49
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Gumball Gumption posted:I legitimately never understood the appeal of Elgin. He's a decent wrestler but not mind-blowing. His gimmick is just "technical big guy" but he's not really good enough to live up the technical part and he's not big for wrestling. He's not bad, he's a decent wrestler. But I've never ever understood his appeal and don't understand him. It made more sense when he was in 2010 ROH
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forkboy84 posted:I mean, yeah, he is. He's got some very annoying qualities & seems to have regressed in the ring from when he was in the IWGP IC title scene, but when he's got the right opponent like the recent Big Japan match with Sekimoto? He's still good. I know that. I still like New Japan Pro Wrestling after all. But Elgin is a boring dope that does nothing but moves but not in the cool way.
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Dec 1, 2019 00:54
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Gumball Gumption posted:I legitimately never understood the appeal of Elgin. He's a decent wrestler but not mind-blowing. His gimmick is just "technical big guy" but he's not really good enough to live up the technical part and he's not big for wrestling. He's not bad, he's a decent wrestler. But I've never ever understood his appeal and don't understand him. Elgin was the first of the new hoss generation. For some reason outside of Japan, fireplug shaped dudes in wrestling thinned our for brief bit.
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Dec 1, 2019 07:26
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Elgin is a pretty good worker with the ability to do really impressive power moves, which helped him stand out a little. He also seemed like he had no charisma, so his ability to be a star was limited out of the gate.
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Dec 1, 2019 12:21
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Why couldn't Elgin go the Giant Bernard route and have a penchant for bad tattoos, instead of a penchant for being a shithead?
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High level poo poo sounds fuckin easy tbh
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Elgin is good at the G1 and much as I prefer Cobb as a dude, he was a big downgrade in match quality as the big foreign babyface hoss
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGlaf9NRFFU Chasing the Over 50 Demo
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I bought in for the Black Friday special. Between Dave's understated sarcasm, Bryan's recent dunking on Rollins / WWE twitter and Jim Valley, I think I'll roll over to the regular fee months. That's saying something, considering the dogshit AUD to USD conversion rate right now.
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I first subscribed doing the Black Friday sale a few years back, let it run out after the month and thought,"Well that was enjoyable but I'm not paying full price" and I lasted like two days without access before I realized,"loving hell I want more" and forked out full price 
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I jumped in on the Black Friday deal. Is there an easy way to download the podcasts straight to an iPhone? I have only ever used the Podcasts app before and am hoping to avoid downloading to my computer and syncing because I am lazy.
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J-Ru, is posting an old B&V that's been uploaded on Youtube  ? I ask because I'm listening to a B&V on a 2006 TNA PPV and they're talking like Kurt's already got two feet in the grave. I know the dude was basically immobile and had a massive swollen neck when he came back to WWE and just didn't look good at all, but was it really that bad for him back then, that it seemed like his death was an absolute inevitability and TNA were just complete scumbags for even hiring him?
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Jerusalem posted:I first subscribed doing the Black Friday sale a few years back, let it run out after the month and thought,"Well that was enjoyable but I'm not paying full price" and I lasted like two days without access before I realized,"loving hell I want more" and forked out full price It's only gotten worse since. Being "woke" isn't a marketing thing. I don't want people to performatively be good people. I want them to actually be good people. Because I'm giving them my money. I used to go to Bryan's house every year for Summerslam, and he's a nice guy. Craig and Vinny super aren't, but Bryan is. But he doesn't get it. And for a long time, I thought that sucked, sure, but it wasn't a deal breaker, because he lives in a bubble. But I haven't gone back lately because I don't feel safe around him or Vinny or Craig or Granny or the other people that go, because nothing that has ever happened over there has led me to believe that they'd be cool about queer people. Trans folks in particular. And now that I'm out of the closet and living as me, and I can't show up in stealth mode, I wonder why I was ever okay with their bubble. Because it shouldn't be on me to forgive them for not understanding. It should be on them for not knowing. Why should I feel bad for being me? Why shouldn't they face concequences for being them? It's 2019. Queerfolx are normal as gently caress. If you don't know how to act, that's on you. Dave and Bryan are carrying water for their racist friend.
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MJeff posted:J-Ru, is posting an old B&V that's been uploaded on Youtube Post it it's been far enough anyway, and yes Kurt back then was just terrible. His arms especially were just nothing.
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MJeff posted:J-Ru, is posting an old B&V that's been uploaded on Youtube Pinched nerves were causing his arms to atrophy no matter what he did to try and build them up, he was abusing everything he could to maintain his body despite becoming increasingly thin, and all the while he was bumping like a madman. He's very lucky that TNA didn't paralyze or kill him.
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MJeff posted:J-Ru, is posting an old B&V that's been uploaded on Youtube Think about how bad the WWE used to be about wrestler health--keeping in mind that this was before Benoit died, before they got in any way serious about the wellness policy, back when you were expected to work no matter what and Vince "I Feel No Responsibility For My Employees' Health Problems" McMahon's sense of care was the determining factor in if they gave a poo poo about you--and then consider that Kurt Angle left because the WWE wouldn't let him wrestle until he went to rehab. It was exactly that bad.
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This is Kurt Angle in TNA Look at his arms and what he was doing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLV4WN1lhL4
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