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A Russian troll farm posted:as an Albertan, Alberta is most certainly the dumbest and worst can confirm
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Nov 30, 2019 00:17
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Bilirubin posted:there is a lot to laugh at in that list but Jean Charest might just take the cake Does he want to be conservative leader again?
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Nov 30, 2019 00:38
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If I ever met Charest I would punch him in the face without hesitation. Hes loving scum.
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Nov 30, 2019 01:08
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It's getting really hard not to convince myself and my wife to get the gently caress out of Calgary, especially if her nursing job gets cut
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Nov 30, 2019 02:08
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DariusLikewise posted:listen buddy its called an exaggeration, its important to realize that all pms of canada are dumb and lovely walk it back, muthafuck, walk it back. good boy.
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Nov 30, 2019 03:56
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Nairbo posted:It's getting really hard not to convince myself and my wife to get the gently caress out of Calgary, especially if her nursing job gets cut Same. Oil will never come back but this government is going to ignore any kind of diversification and keep pumping as much public money into the fossil fuel industry while it completely succumbs to global forces. I suppose the same can be said for the rest of Canada as long as the Libs or Cons are in power so, gently caress, i dunno. Half the people I care about are in the public sector and are all in a state of slow panic.
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Nov 30, 2019 04:27
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It's cool that oil just dropped like 5% today and is basically at the price it was when everybody in Alberta lost their job and Alberta continues to just desperately hope that oil will somehow become profitable again
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Nov 30, 2019 05:25
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Nov 30, 2019 05:30
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That's a really weird take considering literally ever homeowner in Vancouver is a millionaire.
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Nov 30, 2019 05:31
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same in toronto it's still a bad look when we go setting up dining pods under the highway a few blocks down from a homeless encampment
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Nov 30, 2019 06:23
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I'm gonna go throw rocks at it
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Nov 30, 2019 06:35
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City rocks are for smoking not throwing. What are you from Newmarket or something
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Nov 30, 2019 06:50
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if you do, dont stand under it
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Nov 30, 2019 06:53
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eric ciaramella posted:if you do, dont stand under it And who are you, the OSHA inspector? 
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Nov 30, 2019 06:59
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no osha in canada, we're a lawless wasteland
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Nov 30, 2019 07:01
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https://globalnews.ca/news/6235987/western-separatism-wexit-headquarters-lake-louise-alberta-forum/amp/?__twitter_impression=true lol
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Nov 30, 2019 07:28
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lmao, my boss told me about a "lantern" on the granville street bridge, neither of us have seen it all week despite working in the area because we keep expecting it to be on the top side of it. I can't believe they shoved a light fixture underneath a goddamn bridge.
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Nov 30, 2019 07:29
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DariusLikewise posted:mulroney cancelled the NEP, he sold 23 federal crown corporations, meech-lake accord, bought in the gst thats just scratching the surface Not denying he was a poo poo for all those reasons and more (tried real hard to re-criminalize abortion) but he also deserves credit for shepherding through the Montreal Protocol which on a global achievement scale easily makes him our greatest living PM.
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Nov 30, 2019 15:28
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I don't like the lamp but public art is such a loving whipping boy so w/e. It's like part two of the argument people make where they go WHAT ABOUT THE VETS/HOMELESS whenever immigrants get money. It's never an actual advocate making that argument, it's always someone going ART COST HOW MUCH while usually having a poor understanding of it's cost as an overall percentage of a project. This one was entirely funded by the developer, anyhow. Mandaring developers spend a small percentage of a buildings construction budget on public art is generally a good thing, even if sometimes you get a dumb chandelier out of it. CRISPYBABY has issued a correction as of 22:12 on Nov 30, 2019 |
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Nov 30, 2019 22:09
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Yeah I really agree that public art getting poo poo on is a crappy reactionary staple. As an artist and budding art historian I do sometimes winch at what gets made though, more often than I'd like. I'd also like to see more public art awarded to emerging or non-superstar artists, as they are a huge vehicle for career building and actually getting an artist on a stable financial footing. Way too often these get awarded to people who don't need the money, and are often outsourcing the actual artistic labour to a factory of criminally underpaid artists/workers (I once did exactly that gig). Basically the artistic world recreates all the worst aspects of capitalism internally. When examining public art, or any art of a major artist, think about the labour that went into it, what kinds of labour especially. Is it highly skilled? Or is it the combination of disparate tasks easily broken up and contracted out? A lot of what people don't like in art today is the result of the artistic process being subjugated to the capitalist mode of production. The super-star artist is now a factory owner, they (he) coordinate capital and labour resources, often filling the role of project manager. Never making much beyond a paper mock-up, if that at all. Underpaid contractors or artists work out the actual designing, manufacturing, and installing of the art. They get no credit, often being deliberately erased from the process by the "actual" artist. This is why classical art skills have been removed from art today, those skills are hard trained, valuable, and possess an innate individual character. That sort of artistic labour does not easily bend to the division of labour, and thus cannot be made a part of the modern commercialized artistic process.
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Nov 30, 2019 23:53
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i think as an artist, and also as someone curating art for the public space, you have some responsibility to understand the context and space where the work is being displayed. and perhaps a gaudy chandelier isn't the best fit for a highway underpass where people are sleeping rough
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Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. "Artist" is essentially a useless term, one that obfuscates and artificially flattens reality. The term gets used to imply artists are a separate, unique class in society. Tied up here is the mystification of the creative process. Mostly though the term hides the real labour relations and class allegiances held by "artists". Rich artists exploit poor artists to make crappy commercially viable manufactured art, but because we are all "artists" poor artists get blamed and collectively punished though defunding for the bad art made by the rich.
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CRISPYBABY posted:
That's why I'm going to go throw rocks at it
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infernal machines posted:i think as an artist, and also as someone curating art for the public space, you have some responsibility to understand the context and space where the work is being displayed. and perhaps a gaudy chandelier isn't the best fit for a highway underpass where people are sleeping rough Yeah also this My partner is a (actual unironic) classical composer who is apparently a big deal in the music world (mostly in, like, Germany and Netherlands) and I'm not sure if there is a parallel in his world to this sort of sculpture, but also that 4 million dollars could have basically kept him and all of his colleagues happy for a long time instead of putting some tasteless poo poo over the heads of homeless people. There should be more publicly funded art and getting what public funding there is should be a lot easier because there are too many barriers to entry to applying for grants imo bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m has issued a correction as of 00:28 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Dec 1, 2019 00:25
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yeah, it tends to hold true that those that need and would benefit the most from a grant are the least likely to receive one. Not because their project is undeserving, but because the whole process basically is built to shut out anyone not already on the inside.
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Dec 1, 2019 01:23
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Perhaps I'm being naive here, but maybe the display of a fabulously overpriced symbol often found in the homes of the wealthy over a location frequented by homeless people is part of the message? After all, we're talking about the issue right now.
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Dec 1, 2019 12:35
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Wow, it only cost $5 million to get us to have a conversation about homelessness and wealth inequality in Vancouver! Incredible.
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Dec 1, 2019 15:16
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perhaps their next piece could be to put an actual homeless encampment inside a condo lobby
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Dec 1, 2019 15:18
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I'm not saying it's a good use of money. 
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Dec 1, 2019 15:52
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Jesus christ, is someone in this thread trying to defend this monstrosity by bringing up the value of public art in general? Would you be defending a mural celebrating a confederate officer or a residential school? This poo poo is inexcusable, I'm disgusted that it hasn't been destroyed already.
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Dec 1, 2019 17:38
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Back in July, Vancouver House, the condo tower next to this chandelier had 30+ units for sale. Now there are zero units up for sale. Does anyone know what happened to them? They certainly weren't sold.
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Dec 1, 2019 18:03
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Jesus christ, is someone in this thread trying to defend this monstrosity by bringing up the value of public art in general? Would you be defending a mural celebrating a confederate officer or a residential school? This poo poo is inexcusable, I'm disgusted that it hasn't been destroyed already. seemed more like a "silver lining" kinda thing, not a defence half cocaine posted:Back in July, Vancouver House, the condo tower next to this chandelier had 30+ units for sale. Now there are zero units up for sale. Does anyone know what happened to them? They certainly weren't sold. I saw something on twitter about developers taking out loans to buy their own unsold inventory, presumably in hopes of relisting when the market improves (and juking the stats in the meantime). dont remember where or which developers, but maybe that?
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I was surprised to read that Mayor Kennedy was so enthusiastic about that chandelier art. He seemed like a fairly progressive dude. Council had just expropriated a couple of the worst SROs to fix up for acceptable housing etc. I dont follow too closely because Im a terrible burbs dweller.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:35
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pokeyman posted:seemed more like a "silver lining" kinda thing, not a defence When the message is "gently caress you poor people we're living in unimaginable luxury and laughing at you while you die of exposure in the streets" the fact that public art is being created is not in any way a silver lining.
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infernal machines posted:perhaps a gaudy chandelier isn't the best fit for a highway underpass where people are sleeping rough
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Dec 1, 2019 19:53
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if art is supposed to contain some sort of inherent truth, then it's pretty apt for vancouver. now if it cost ten grand and the rest of the value used to launder money then it'd be masterpiece.
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Dec 1, 2019 20:02
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:When the message is "gently caress you poor people we're living in unimaginable luxury and laughing at you while you die of exposure in the streets" the fact that public art is being created is not in any way a silver lining. oh, yeah. I was thinking of "at least its sparking conversation"
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