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Ghost Leviathan posted:The weird thing is that trepanation is apparently a prehistoric practice. Gotta let the demons out somehow.
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Really brings new meaning to the old saying "I need that like a hole in the head."
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Dec 1, 2019 18:12
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If they had to make a list of the oldest medical procedures I'm sure not a lot of people would pick "brain surgery"
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aphid_licker posted:If they had to make a list of the oldest medical procedures I'm sure not a lot of people would pick "brain surgery" It's not prehistoric, but the Edwin Smith papyrus dates back to at least 1600 BC, and includes non-magical instructions for treating various types of trauma, including skull fractures. Phy has a new favorite as of 18:46 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Dec 1, 2019 18:44
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Ancient people figured out pretty quick that they needed their head to live and tried many methods of healing a damaged one. A lot of these ways didn't work or anything, but they did try them. Acute Grill has a new favorite as of 20:25 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Dec 1, 2019 19:00
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Ancient people were just as smart as we are now, they just had less knowledge to work with. We always seem to forget that.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:07
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DemonDarkhorse posted:https://imgur.com/iZAEnQy warning for blood and a tube coming out of my head. A stapled-on tube. I feel this is important to note.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:09
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Solice Kirsk posted:Ancient people were just as smart as we are now, they just had less knowledge to work with. We always seem to forget that. If you teleported an ancient Egyptian to the modern world and showed him a computer, how long do you think it would take him to find PornHub?
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Dec 1, 2019 19:28
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If the keyboard had the hieroglyphic for "dicks" on it, it would be the very first button he pushed.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:37
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Solice Kirsk posted:Ancient people were just as smart as we are now, they just had less knowledge to work with. We always seem to forget that. They were also just a dumb as we are now and thus didn't let something clearly not working stop them from still doing it. (See also: homeopathy, essential oils)
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Dec 1, 2019 20:22
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Phy posted:It's not prehistoric, but the Edwin Smith papyrus dates back to at least 1600 BC, and includes non-magical instructions for treating various types of trauma, including skull fractures. Yeah, trepanning and other forms of skull surgery have a long history, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning
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christmas boots posted:If you teleported an ancient Egyptian to the modern world and showed him a computer, how long do you think it would take him to find PornHub? I would speed it up be showing him art of my fursona getting railed by anubis 
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Acute Grill posted:They were also just a dumb as we are now and thus didn't let something clearly not working stop them from still doing it. (See also: homeopathy, essential oils) Trepanning seems to have worked, though -- most of the skulls we've found show bone regrowth, indicating the patients survived, and many kinds of head trauma can be treated by venting excess blood/fluid to relieve pressure. The evidence suggests that therapeutic trepanning in the ancient world worked, and it seems likely it was an evidence-based treatment, regardless of what they thought was going on.
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Dec 1, 2019 21:17
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Solice Kirsk posted:Ancient people were just as smart as we are now, they just had less knowledge to work with. We always seem to forget that. The biggest difference was free time, really. People busy just surviving don't have time to come up with knowledge. It also takes effort to actually maintain knowledge as well as pass it on. Yeah they were just as smart but the vast majority of people were busy not starving to death and keeping those poo poo nugget raiders that keep showing up away from the granary. Once people started producing a surplus of food you could start having fancy things like engineers and scholars. It took a lot of effort to figure out stuff like geometry or algebra the first time and part of that was that you had to invent the tools to be able to do it in the first place. We can't imagine a world where very few people are literate let alone can do math because we have enough of a surplus of food in the modern world that we can send our kids to school instead of needing them to work on the farm starting on the day they can walk. In the ancient world "education" was "OK, now that you can understand my words I'm going to teach you how to not starve to death."
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Dec 1, 2019 21:39
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I’ve had migraines bad enough that if someone offered to drill a hole in my head to relieve the pressure I wouldn’t immediately say no
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Dec 1, 2019 21:49
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8 Ball posted:I’ve had migraines bad enough that if someone offered to drill a hole in my head to relieve the pressure I wouldn’t immediately say no i jokingly asked for trepanning to relieve my headaches too. then we discovered the brain tumor, so dont jinx yourself. or get an mri
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aphid_licker posted:If they had to make a list of the oldest medical procedures I'm sure not a lot of people would pick "brain surgery" Technically it's not brain surgery, since the membrane around the brain remains unbreached. They just open a hole in the skull. Supposedly this could help relieve the pressure after being hit in the head by a sling stone, whoch otherwise could kill you.
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AFAIK dental surgery was also practiced fairly successfully a very long time ago. People didn't know what caused cavities, but they figured out to drill the bad stuff out and fill the hole with something, and if all else fails, pull out the tooth.
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Dec 1, 2019 23:43
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Ancient Egypt also had surgery for cataracts (they used papyrus reeds to, well, do exactly what you think)
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Solice Kirsk posted:Ancient people were just as smart as we are now, they just had less knowledge to work with. We always seem to forget that. Yeah, this is my favorite thing about Edwin Smith. It's a physician from 3600 years ago, imparting medical advice that is still sort of reasonable today. Goddamn! Stitch wounds! Bandage them with clean ljnen and honey (which now we know has antibacterial properties)! If it's a bad kind of injury, say that you can't treat it! It's not even presented like a guy discovering all this, it's just - just a textbook!
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Azathoth posted:Ancient Egypt also had surgery for cataracts (they used papyrus reeds to, well, do exactly what you think)
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My basic impression is that if people could figure out how to treat an obvious, visible problem through trial and error without understanding germ theory, we probably did okay at it at some point. Once you move to treating internal injuries and disease things get a lot more complicated. Without an understanding of why surgical instruments need to be sterile there'll also be a problem with post-surgery infection, which was worse in cultures and times that were not very clean and that discouraged anatomical studies.
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PetraCore posted:AFAIK dental surgery was also practiced fairly successfully a very long time ago. People didn't know what caused cavities, but they figured out to drill the bad stuff out and fill the hole with something, and if all else fails, pull out the tooth. Still goes on, skip to 7:42 in the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7yBmyaGRIE American prison is like being back in the stone-age.
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8 Ball posted:I’ve had migraines bad enough that if someone offered to drill a hole in my head to relieve the pressure I wouldn’t immediately say no Your situation may be very different from mine, but I am a woman who comes from a long line of migraine sufferers, as well as others in the immediate family who have gnarly sinus headaches regularly, etc. my mother essentially has taken headache meds every day since she was like, 14, although she was also poisoned by crop dusting pesticides as a child and nearly died, causing a lifelong immunodeficiency/autoimmune disorder. At any rate, I was an athletic, robust, healthy 13 year old when I began to be crippled by regular migraines, sometimes losing 3-4 days a week to migraines so severe I mostly just puked my guts out for hours because I was so dizzy. Minor things that helped me: not reading outdoors (I grew up in a rural area and my schools encouraged being outdoors) because the sun on the pages was a guaranteed migraine; if I felt a headache coming on I would immediately take excedrin, pound water, pound some caffeine and get into a dark room. My headaches immediately ceased when I began regularly drinking alcohol. I legit think the blood thinning effects helped me a lot 🤷🏼♀️
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8 Ball posted:I’ve had migraines bad enough that if someone offered to drill a hole in my head to relieve the pressure I wouldn’t immediately say no Yeah same. Power drill to the temple seems reasonable sometimes from them. One thing that I found helpful in addition to the standard stuff was a back massager on high right against the temple. No idea why it helped but it at least made it hurt less. 
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I actually had a god-awful migraine when reading this last night, and would have posted something like "drill my skull, please" if I had felt like it
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Kitfox88 posted:Yeah same. Power drill to the temple seems reasonable sometimes from them. One thing that I found helpful in addition to the standard stuff was a back massager on high right against the temple. No idea why it helped but it at least made it hurt less. I'm no doctor, but it seems like this would work because it would shake all the bad blood out of the head to be reabsorbed into the stomach which would then stimulate it to create more yellow bile and re-balance the humors.
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christmas boots posted:If you teleported an ancient Egyptian to the modern world and showed him a computer, how long do you think it would take him to find PornHub? Tested and he won't stop playing children's card games, please advise
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm no doctor, but it seems like this would work because it would shake all the bad blood out of the head to be reabsorbed into the stomach which would then stimulate it to create more yellow bile and re-balance the humors. Look at this anti-science idiot. Every one of my peers here in medical school knows that black bile of the spleen is the cause of pain and depression, and requires blood to counteract!
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Migraines are actually caused by my grains - it's where the name came from after all. For centuries my people have been adding haunted grains to the stores all around the world. We are a shadowy cabal who exist solely to make the world shitter, unfortunately capitalism has meant that we are overshadowed as the bringers of the most pain but our time will come.
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Migraines are more commonly experienced by women which suggest that it’s merely a form of hysteria. Naturally the standard treatment is manual stimulation which, as a licensed medical practitioner from the 1800s, I would be more than happy to perform... ladies.
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Inceltown posted:Migraines are actually caused by my grains - it's where the name came from after all. For centuries my people have been adding haunted grains to the stores all around the world. We are a shadowy cabal who exist solely to make the world shitter, unfortunately capitalism has meant that we are overshadowed as the bringers of the most pain but our time will come. Would you say things have gone awrye?
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Inceltown posted:Migraines are actually caused by my grains - it's where the name came from after all. For centuries my people have been adding haunted grains to the stores all around the world. We are a shadowy cabal who exist solely to make the world shitter, unfortunately capitalism has meant that we are overshadowed as the bringers of the most pain but our time will come. https://www.somethingawful.com/comedy-goldmine/ancient-grains-cheerios/ ??
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https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/02/mother-of-children-found-hanged-in-basement-charged-with-murder-and-sex-with-dog-11256104/
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Randaconda posted:https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/02/mother-of-children-found-hanged-in-basement-charged-with-murder-and-sex-with-dog-11256104/ drat the UK sure is hosed u...Bucks County!? gently caress me that’s like 30 minutes away. 
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Dewgy posted:drat the UK sure is hosed u...Bucks County!? gently caress me that’s like 30 minutes away. 
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Lisa Rachelle Snyder, 36, was was arrested Monday and charged with first-degree murder, third-degree murder, endangering the welfare of children and sexual intercourse with a dog in Berks County, Pennsylvania. That's quite a spread across the crime spectrum, I'd say.
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:Lisa Rachelle Snyder, 36, was was arrested Monday and charged with first-degree murder, third-degree murder, endangering the welfare of children and sexual intercourse with a dog in Berks County, Pennsylvania. I'm not impressed. I don't fear the criminal who has committed a thousand crimes once, but rather the one who committed one crime a thousand times.
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