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Lorgar is the ultimate failson and I hope he dies
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Nov 28, 2019 23:22
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jng2058 posted:I've been re-reading Angels of Darkness by Thorpe, and if that weird rumor going around that a fallen primarch was going to be redeemed and a loyal primarch was going to fall pans out, then they've had the foundation laid since 2003. Because in this book you can totally see that between the obsession with secrets and lies and the sadism they show in their interrogations, it'd be dead easy to see Lion El'Johnson (and possibly the Dark Angels, though maybe not all of them?) falling to Slaanesh to go along with Fulgrim getting redeemed away from Slaanesh with the soul-in-the-painting thing. Fulgrim's soul isn't trapped in the painting, he escaped like basically immediately because the demon that trapped him was a loving dummy and didn't realize that the primarchs are ultimate demigod warp beings.
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Nov 29, 2019 01:59
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hopterque posted:Fulgrim's soul isn't trapped in the painting, he escaped like basically immediately because the demon that trapped him was a loving dummy and didn't realize that the primarchs are ultimate demigod warp beings. I thought it was and the Daemon was just lying about being Fulgrim. Anyway there is a Fulgrim clone that is implied to have gotten the original Fulgrim's soul around right now. Which could be what redeems him.
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Nov 29, 2019 02:44
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MonsterEnvy posted:I thought it was and the Daemon was just lying about being Fulgrim. The clone 100% got the real Fulgrim soul. He was doing all the usual Primarch Bullshit, like chopping his way through dozens of enemies with nothing but primitive sword and getting more powerful with everyone he killed.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:21
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wiegieman posted:The clone 100% got the real Fulgrim soul. He was doing all the usual Primarch Bullshit, like chopping his way through dozens of enemies with nothing but primitive sword and getting more powerful with everyone he killed. Excellent post/avatar combo.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:25
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hopterque posted:Fulgrim's soul isn't trapped in the painting, he escaped like basically immediately because the demon that trapped him was a loving dummy and didn't realize that the primarchs are ultimate demigod warp beings. The only source for this happening is Fulgrim himself so it is left up to the reader to determine if it is the real Fulgrim telling his men that he escaped the painting or the demon lying to his men he is the real Fulgrim and escaped the painting. Personally, I go with the later. This leaves a path open for GW to bring back loyalist Fulgrim by taking his soul from the painting and combining it with clone Fulgrim.
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Nov 29, 2019 04:01
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JerryLee posted:Excellent post/avatar combo. To slay your enemies with a blade, is the furthest thing from being a Swordsman; Rather, to practice without hesitation, the art of Cutting, which is Division via the blade of Want.
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Nov 29, 2019 04:29
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Didn't Angron have a line like "that thing wearing Fulgrim's face isn't my brother" somewhere? Betrayer, maybe?
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Nov 29, 2019 14:32
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moths posted:Didn't Angron have a line like "that thing wearing Fulgrim's face isn't my brother" somewhere? Betrayer, maybe? It's Aurelian, I think, one of ADB's short stories or novellas linking the First Heretic with Betrayer. If they ever do a collected edition of that arc I hope they include everything because it all builds together wonderfully.
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Nov 29, 2019 15:13
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Lorgar sees possessed Fulgrim and immediately flips his poo poo and starts beating the crap out if it. Horus gets him to stop, but then he gets a prophetic vision he won't explain and laughs at the daemon for being a moron.
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Nov 29, 2019 15:50
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wiegieman posted:Lorgar sees possessed Fulgrim and immediately flips his poo poo and starts beating the crap out if it. Horus gets him to stop, but then he gets a prophetic vision he won't explain and laughs at the daemon for being a moron. Where was it that has Lorgar flipping his poo poo at possessed marines of another legion for being abominations unlike HIS possessed marines? Says they are a sacred union of flesh and demon in equilibrium, right?
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Nov 30, 2019 10:54
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jng2058 posted:I've been re-reading Angels of Darkness by Thorpe, and if that weird rumor going around that a fallen primarch was going to be redeemed and a loyal primarch was going to fall pans out, then they've had the foundation laid since 2003. Because in this book you can totally see that between the obsession with secrets and lies and the sadism they show in their interrogations, it'd be dead easy to see Lion El'Johnson (and possibly the Dark Angels, though maybe not all of them?) falling to Slaanesh to go along with Fulgrim getting redeemed away from Slaanesh with the soul-in-the-painting thing. Fulgrim's body being a giant naga would seem to militate against this. It'd probably be one of the less physically corrupted Primarchs like Alpharius or Omegon. Maybe Perturabo, though tbh I have no idea what he looks like in canon at this point. Probably not one of the Primarchs devoted to one aspect of the Pantheon.
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Nov 30, 2019 16:58
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D-Pad posted:The only source for this happening is Fulgrim himself so it is left up to the reader to determine if it is the real Fulgrim telling his men that he escaped the painting or the demon lying to his men he is the real Fulgrim and escaped the painting. Personally, I go with the later. This leaves a path open for GW to bring back loyalist Fulgrim by taking his soul from the painting and combining it with clone Fulgrim. To me letting someone come back from full Daemon Prince/Primarch would be dumb. It's not like you accidentally ascended to that status. Going to be harder to justify than some idiot who spent the last ten thousand years fighting off that particular apotheosis seizing the moment and high-fiving Guilliman in the Ultimate Bro Moment.
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Nov 30, 2019 17:03
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Relevant Tangent posted:Fulgrim's body being a giant naga would seem to militate against this. It'd probably be one of the less physically corrupted Primarchs like Alpharius or Omegon. Maybe Perturabo, though tbh I have no idea what he looks like in canon at this point. Probably not one of the Primarchs devoted to one aspect of the Pantheon. Relevant Tangent posted:To me letting someone come back from full Daemon Prince/Primarch would be dumb. It's not like you accidentally ascended to that status. Going to be harder to justify than some idiot who spent the last ten thousand years fighting off that particular apotheosis seizing the moment and high-fiving Guilliman in the Ultimate Bro Moment. Sure, but don't forget there's that perfect clone of Fulgrim that Trazyn's got on ice. Take clone, apply painting, and BOOM you've got an uncorrupted Primarch Fulgrim ready to atone for his failure and that of his legion. You could even keep snake-Fulgrim around for sme extra special nemesis action!
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Nov 30, 2019 17:27
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Fulgrim didn't fall he jumped. Some of the other Primarchs are at least theoretically redeemable, but Fulgrim wholeheartedly embraced Slaanesh out of ennui afaict.
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Nov 30, 2019 17:34
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Relevant Tangent posted:To me letting someone come back from full Daemon Prince/Primarch would be dumb. It's not like you accidentally ascended to that status. Going to be harder to justify than some idiot who spent the last ten thousand years fighting off that particular apotheosis seizing the moment and high-fiving Guilliman in the Ultimate Bro Moment. Angron was slowly dying/degenerating and was more or less duped into it. It definitely wasn't something he intentionally set out to achieve. That said, I don't see him switching sides!
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Nov 30, 2019 17:35
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Magnus could get all his soul bits back and realize he was being a schizophrenic dick head for the last 10000 years.
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Nov 30, 2019 18:05
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But all the primarchs are basically warp beings. It doesn't really defy imagining that a Daemon primarch might just decide being part Daemon is bullshit and actually they should look like a giant human again. Although that kind of acceptance of their nature suggests either Magnus or possibly Lorgar and no one else really to me. Clone Fulgrim would be an easy and lazy way to do it so probably that one. If they stick to Fulgrim actually having his soul exiled and Naga Fulgrim being 100% Daemon it would be a bit too... Neat in terms of avoiding needing any kind of character arc.
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Nov 30, 2019 18:16
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I'd be down for Angron no longer being a daemon but also be staunchly anti-Imperium.
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Nov 30, 2019 18:17
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I'd be down for Angron no longer being a daemon but also be staunchly anti-Imperium. I’d also be down for Angron as an axe-wielding T-Rex going murder-crazy on the forces of chaos because “you loving assholes tried to enslave me! Again!!”
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Nov 30, 2019 18:22
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Switching Lion and Luthor would have the end result of exactly nothing changing because of the DA obsession with secrecy. That's why I think it's most likely to happen.
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Nov 30, 2019 18:39
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I still want Guilliman to talk to The Lion and tell him that he already knows about the Dark Angels' secret shame and that he forgives him, only for Lion'el to stop listening at "I know about the Dark Angels' secret", go apeshit and attack Guilliman before running away in a panic.
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Nov 30, 2019 18:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT1ye8LabGs Ummmm it looks like they've got a lot more than Richard Boylan working for their animation projects now. A 40K Animatrix collection would kick rear end.
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Nov 30, 2019 22:09
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A full redemption arc where Kharn saves his primarch from Khorne and somehow the side effect is him also reverting to his original child form before the nails, and going off into the sunset to raise him away from Imperial or Chaos influences (but with a nailed dad). Timeskip another 100 years and Angron comes out of the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath with a sector that's basically Ultramar and starts a new Great Crusade against the Imperium.
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Dec 1, 2019 00:21
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Relevant Tangent posted:To me letting someone come back from full Daemon Prince/Primarch would be dumb. It's not like you accidentally ascended to that status. Going to be harder to justify than some idiot who spent the last ten thousand years fighting off that particular apotheosis seizing the moment and high-fiving Guilliman in the Ultimate Bro Moment. I'm not sure it wasn't accidental for Fulgrim. The sword basically tricked him. His uncorrupted soul is in the painting. MrNemo posted:Clone Fulgrim would be an easy and lazy way to do it so probably that one. If they stick to Fulgrim actually having his soul exiled and Naga Fulgrim being 100% Daemon it would be a bit too... Neat in terms of avoiding needing any kind of character arc. True, but the character arc would be after the fact instead of a redeeming arc leading to the switch. There could be a very interesting story following what happens to a pure Fulgrim soul that's been imprisoned for 10k years suddenly having his uncorrupted body at his disposal while he finds himself in the current imperium. Especially for a being who values perfection so highly to see what has become of his father's dream.
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Dec 1, 2019 01:23
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D-Pad posted:True, but the character arc would be after the fact instead of a redeeming arc leading to the switch. There could be a very interesting story following what happens to a pure Fulgrim soul that's been imprisoned for 10k years suddenly having his uncorrupted body at his disposal while he finds himself in the current imperium. Especially for a being who values perfection so highly to see what has become of his father's dream. Written by Graham McNeil.
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Dec 1, 2019 01:32
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Demiurge4 posted:Written by Graham McNeil. Ben Counter
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Dec 1, 2019 01:34
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So I’ve read everything in these series: Horus Hersey (all the recommended ones) Siege of Terra Eisenhorn/Ravenor Gaunts Ghosts The Inquisition War Night Lords Any suggestions on what’s next? KM Scorchio fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Dec 1, 2019 22:36
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KM Scorchio posted:So I’ve read everything in these series: Hm. Forges of Mars omnibus. Nice slice of life on a Mechanicus ship. That or dive into Ciaphas Caine if you're looking for something lighter but still 40k.
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Dec 2, 2019 00:18
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KM Scorchio posted:So I’ve read everything in these series: Chris Wraight stuff is the move here. Carrion Throne and Hollow Mountain. Watchers of the Throne (sequel early next year too). Lords of Silence. Rites of Passage (a great non-traditional 40k book). The Great Work. Finally, make sure you read Divination if you haven't yet. It is a short story collection set in the Inquisition War series that gives a backstory to each of the retinue characters.
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Dec 2, 2019 02:11
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D-Pad posted:I'm not sure it wasn't accidental for Fulgrim. The sword basically tricked him. His uncorrupted soul is in the painting. Fulgrim immediately heads off to Medusa and smashes the "make a clone of ferrus manus" button in the secret F+F Funtime Clubhouse as hard as he can
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Dec 2, 2019 06:45
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Relevant Tangent posted:To me letting someone come back from full Daemon Prince/Primarch would be dumb. It's not like you accidentally ascended to that status. Going to be harder to justify than some idiot who spent the last ten thousand years fighting off that particular apotheosis seizing the moment and high-fiving Guilliman in the Ultimate Bro Moment. I still think Magnus makes the most sense. He was a tragic story of hubris and regretted his fall the most and only joined Horus for survival. Plus he's the one primarch that could sit on the throne and hold the webway gate to allow the Emperor to do whatever he needs to do (probably stretch his legs and take a huge dump, kick chaos in the dick, etc) Demiurge4 posted:A full redemption arc where Kharn saves his primarch from Khorne and somehow the side effect is him also reverting to his original child form before the nails, and going off into the sunset to raise him away from Imperial or Chaos influences (but with a nailed dad). I love the idea of Angron being able to show that he belongs up there with his brothers the wise, civilised demi-god he was supposed to be. Like Perturabo finally getting left alone so he can just build beautiful cities and toys.
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Dec 2, 2019 10:11
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Where the gently caress is Perturabo anyway. I can't really recall reading anything much about him post-Heresy in short stories.
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Dec 2, 2019 12:49
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I'm just happy that the rumor is one loyalist falls, while a traitor is redeemed. I wouldn't put it past GW to try some "all of the traitors are recloned and accelerated their growth, while the Chaos Gods create dark versions of the loyalist Primarchs from their ripples in the warp" shenanigans. I could see Magnus being redeemed and Roboute "falling" (actually just trying to hold everything together while telling the church to gently caress off).
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Dec 2, 2019 13:38
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I'd love to see Russ fall. Mainly because I'm tired of SW being so damned 80's action hero flawless ("Sometimes we turn into totally metal werewolves" isn't a flaw for those playing at home). Having Bobby G, Saint Celestine, and an Inquisitorial Conclave or two doing a run on Fulgrim to perform an exorcism would be a lot of fun. Go full tubular bells on it.
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Dec 2, 2019 13:45
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Full Grimdark and have Vulkan fall, chaos gets an immortal, insane Khornate avatar and the Salamanders need to deal with their nice guy primarch being an insane murder god. Moral of the story is that being nice is the Highway to damnation.
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Dec 2, 2019 15:43
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Hopefully its Angron and Jagathai that goes "the emperor and chaos both suck" and goes to create the anarchist faction with Cawl.
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Dec 2, 2019 16:01
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Maybe the primarchs of the II and XI will switch places. And nobody will give a poo poo because we don't talk about them 
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Dec 2, 2019 17:39
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Aside from Horus who is the hardest Primarch to justify coming back into the fold? "That's Angron, he's super angry about Chaos so the Emperor blessed him with a warform." vs "That's Mortarion he uh cures diseases now I guess?"
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Curze didn't die, he watch just playing Witcher 3 this whole time.
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