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Nessus posted:The idea that a work of fiction is harmed by the protagonist being cool or awesome is weird, although they definitely need dramatic flaws and such. What GRRM realized is that you just need to kill off all those cool or awesome people.
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He’s a genius, kill off all the good characters so nobody cares if you finish the dumb books.
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Invalid Validation posted:He’s a genius, kill off all the good characters so nobody cares if you finish the dumb books. Wyman Manderly is still alive. Somehow.
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Nov 8, 2019 08:16
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MonsieurChoc posted:Wyman Manderly is still alive. Somehow. The Bloated One already killed off the Yellow Whale, he has to leave at least one self-insert in the story.
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Nov 8, 2019 13:11
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Mad Hamish posted:The Bloated One already killed off the Yellow Whale, he has to leave at least one self-insert in the story. Aside from Tyrion, you have the fabled Cock Merchant. I would like to take this moment to point out again and unironically than Tyrion is clearly a Targ: Tufts of silver white hair, One black eye ( deep purple ). He's obsessed with dragons, and the dragons don't gently caress his poo poo up when the see him. Aerys was clearly into Johanna, joked about loving her, "took liberties" during her bedding ceremony, etc. I think Tyrions name is really clever ( maybe unintentionally so, but I think GRRM is good at this type of thing ) The most common use of Tyrian has to do with Tyrian Purple ( Royal Purple ). And the CIty of Tyre originally meant "Rock". So again you have this Lannister/Targaryan split. I like the idea that he is a Chimera in the genetic sense : with both Tywins and Aegons genes. Also worth noting that the mythical Chimera was a mix of animals, including Lion and Dragon. With Tyrion, Dany and John in the endgame you'd have 3 Targars, each unique and following different paths. Seeing as Tyrion is the True self insert, it just all feels so right.
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Nov 11, 2019 09:10
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is this series dead yet
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Nov 15, 2019 04:06
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Deader than D&Ds careers
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Nov 15, 2019 06:40
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kcroy posted:Aside from Tyrion, you have the fabled Cock Merchant. yeh but johanna moved back to and barely ever left casterly rock after that wedding. if any of the lannisters are aerys' it's cersei and jaime, as the eldest. then the real kick in the rear end is tyrion being tywin's only legit heir esperterra fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Nov 15, 2019 |
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Nov 15, 2019 08:47
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esperterra posted:yeh but johanna barely moved back to and barely ever left casterly rock after that wedding. if any of the lannisters are aerys' it's cersei and jaime, as the eldest. The constant saying that a kinslayer is cursed in the eyes of gods and men, and then one of main characters kills his father (although already dying due to poison). There has to be more to that, and the Tywin-Tyrion relationship.
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Nov 15, 2019 08:51
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OperaMouse posted:The constant saying that a kinslayer is cursed in the eyes of gods and men, and then one of main characters kills his father (although already dying due to poison). There has to be more to that, and the Tywin-Tyrion relationship. Why? Just because a bunch of characters say a thing doesn't mean it actually exists in the story reality. A lot of posters in this thread are really good at misidentifying throw away lines as foreshadowing
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kcroy posted:Aside from Tyrion, you have the fabled Cock Merchant. While I think it's very possible Tyrion is part-Targ, saying it's definitely so is a bit of a stretch. It could also be a red herring, or just a bit of foreshadowing that just shows he becomes an adviser to Dany.
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There's multiple potential dramatic ironies at play: Jaime and Cersei both desperately want to be Targs, but they are "only" Lannisters; meanwhile Tyrion just wants to be accepted as a Lannister so it would be fitting that he would actually be the Targ. But then as has been pointed out repeatedly, it would also be ironic if Tyrion was the only Lannister child that was actually Tywin's son (plus with the added bonus of all of Cersei's "illegitimate" children having actual Targ blood on the throne)
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banned from Starbucks posted:Deader than D&Ds careers They totally are going to get dropped from that Netflix contract the moment Netflix has "money problems" watch. That interview they gave is too damning.
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Nov 15, 2019 18:42
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Netflix won't drop them unless they say something racist or something. They're in too deep now and all their major shows are ending in the next year or so.
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chaosapiant posted:While I think it's very possible Tyrion is part-Targ, saying it's definitely so is a bit of a stretch. It could also be a red herring, or just a bit of foreshadowing that just shows he becomes an adviser to Dany. Yeah, I know. And especially with books where the author is himself the unreliable narrator.
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Nov 20, 2019 00:51
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Is the next book out yet? I want to know who becomes the new lord commander of the nights watch now that John is dead.
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Nov 22, 2019 07:29
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I'm reading world of ice and fire because I got it for like 5 bucks at a used book store. This poo poo reads like a fan wikia. Is this poo poo actually from grrms notes or is it mostly made up by the mini fuckers and then given the fucker absolute's lazy sign off after? There's just so much useless info that there'd be no reason to write just as background to the series. Also love that the maester who is writing it in universe is only a little suspicious of details like the Starks supposedly having been around for 10000 years. Some scholarly order.
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Nov 28, 2019 08:16
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was anyone even pulling for jon/dany to work out in the shipping fandom that is not even a popular pairing i dont know how casual audiences felt about it though other than "wait, they're related??"
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PupsOfWar posted:in the shipping fandom that is not even a popular pairing lol
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A Typical Goon posted:Why? Just because a bunch of characters say a thing doesn't mean it actually exists in the story reality. A lot of posters in this thread are really good at misidentifying throw away lines as foreshadowing A lotta bad things happen to Tyrion after the kinslaying, kinda how bad things happen to the Freys after the bout of guestright breaking or the other kings after leech mania
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Calaveron posted:A lotta bad things happen to Tyrion after the kinslaying, kinda how bad things happen to the Freys after the bout of guestright breaking or the other kings after leech mania a lotta bad things happen to tyrion before the kinslaying, and to everyone else also
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Dec 2, 2019 05:15
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Yeah, people who kinslay seem to have the worst of luck in the books. In the show, not so much.
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esperterra posted:Yeah, people who kinslay seem to have the worst of luck in the books. In the show, not so much. I think the moment I truly gave up on the show was Ramsay killing his father without any consequences whatsoever.
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esperterra posted:Yeah, people who kinslay seem to have the worst of luck in the books. In the show, not so much. Plus Theon kills the miller's kids, implied to be his own in the books, and we all know that the rest of his life is sunshine and rainbows
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Vichan posted:I think the moment I truly gave up on the show was Ramsay killing his father without any consequences whatsoever. Well, a dog ate his face.
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Honestly, the best approach would be that all the taboos are just societal expectations and there's no divine retribution against anything at all. Making the gods actually curse the kinslayer is lazy writing.
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Kylaer posted:Honestly, lazy writing. 
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Calaveron posted:Plus Theon kills the miller's kids, implied to be his own in the books, and we all know that the rest of his life is sunshine and rainbows In the show everyone just sort of forget that he killed two kids.
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Alhazred posted:In the show everyone just sort of forget that he killed two kids. In the show, everyone just sort of forgot: Theon was a child slayer Distance from King's Landing to the North Dorne Dany's Arc Varys Arc The Iron Fleet What bells mean The value of human life That the Dothraki were around That the Dothraki were dead That the Dothraki were somehow still alive That there's somehow a big enough square in the center of a town that was destroyed by dragonfire that acted like tomahawk missiles to somehow do a Nazi rally type assembly The point of the unsullied How defensive fighting from a castle works That weird symbol the white walkers used The point of Bran
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banned from Starbucks posted:Well, a dog ate his face. Well, yeah. But that didn't come about as a consequence of him killing his father. The only satisfying end would be him getting betrayed by his bannermen after they've had enough of his antics, preferably the breaking point would be when he keeps shooting arrows at his own men and the enemy's indiscriminately. You know, because the North loving remembers.
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Wait they imply those kids are theon's??? Where? Totally missed that poo poo
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For me the Ramsay stuff was where the show most obviously went off the rails once they ran out of book material, completely negating a bunch of prior characterization/storytelling and moving into very obvious "point A to point B" non-writing that came to characterize the post-book seasons. In the books the situation at Winterfell is a clusterfuck of shifting allegiances and backstabbing exacerbated by Ramsay being a lunatic. While the big ticket plot points that happen seem likely to play out if you're just reading from a list (Ramsay kills his father and half brother, Ramsay defeats Stannis, Ramsay lucks into obtaining Rickon), the way they play out is almost certain to be significantly different, especially in terms of how luck and opportunism play a part in those things actually coming to pass. In the show, Ramsay is just a wunderkind who accomplished everything because he has an impossibly large and loyal army and his best pal Twenty Goodman at his side, and only loses when the plot clock strikes midnight. In the book he will probably only defeat Stannis when someone backstabs Stannis at the last moment, he will probably only keep the loyalty of his men after he kills his father when he luckily gets Rickon as a hostage (or something else, at the very least that poo poo will be addressed), and will lose to Jon when he is goaded into meeting in an open field instead of staying safely behind Winterfell's walls. You obviously see this same kind of "grocery list" plotting all over last season where Dany's army is worn down and diminished until she turns evil and suddenly there's a sea of invincible Dothraki standing there, her dragons are helpless against ballistas until they're not, etc etc etc
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Calaveron posted:Plus Theon kills the miller's kids, implied to be his own in the books wait wut now?
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Theon says he banged the miller's wife, but I don't remember if there was anything more than that to lead one to believe that the kids were his. Though just including that detail makes me lean towards the notion that they were.
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Dec 3, 2019 03:38
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Asking again, how much of the woiaf content actually comes from grrm vs the wiki minifuckers?
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Uncle Lloyd posted:Theon says he banged the miller's wife, but I don't remember if there was anything more than that to lead one to believe that the kids were his. Though just including that detail makes me lean towards the notion that they were.
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Theon thinks about how he was banging the woman around the same time the kids were born. That’s the extent of the connection.
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That's all i need. It'd be pretty hilarious if theon murdered his own kids cuz he had stockholm syndrome
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There's a bit shortly after Theon gets Reek'd where he's lamenting killing the miller's kids and how the miller was so old and what a good time he had boning the miller's wife which to me was an obvious signal that they were his and he didn't know it This was a little bit after the concept of kinslaying was introduced if I recall correctly
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Ague Proof posted:he's writing for the Wheel of Time show Imagine feeling bad for WoT fans, one of the few groups that even denizens of The Bad Thread can rightfully look down on.
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