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The trade document was first leaked over a week before the election was even declared. The idea that it's a Russian attempt to influence the election is utterly ludicrous on its face.
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Kirby looks better shirtless IMO. Look at those nips peeking out over that rock! 
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Dec 3, 2019 12:36
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If it's real I personally don't care if the Russians stole it
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The trade document was first leaked over a week before the election was even declared. The idea that it's a Russian attempt to influence the election is utterly ludicrous on its face. lol
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Oh dear me posted:Yes, but I've seen too many consultation exercises to be reassured by that. They seem sure the end result will be individual tailored plans. And I do not need any help to make my own plans thanks. What comes next? Regular assessments of how well I am conforming to the plan, I expect, or what would be the point of them? What would you like to see implemented as the alternative?
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Dec 3, 2019 12:37
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Continuity RCP posted:If it's real I personally don't care if the Russians stole it
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Oh dear me posted:Yes, but I've seen too many consultation exercises to be reassured by that. They seem sure the end result will be individual tailored plans. And I do not need any help to make my own plans thanks. What comes next? Regular assessments of how well I am conforming to the plan, I expect, or what would be the point of them?
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Dec 3, 2019 12:38
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Continuity RCP posted:If it's real I personally don't care if the Russians stole it No you see, you have to pretend that factual information doesn't exist if it was leaked by a badman. Now where's my State Department check?
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Dec 3, 2019 12:38
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Braggart posted:Kirby looks better shirtless IMO. holy actual gently caress Those are rosy cheeks, not nipples. I will not fight you on this; my correctness is unassailable.
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Dec 3, 2019 12:42
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I think you can simultaneously believe that the attempt to discredit the leak is being driven to draw a line between Corbyn and Russia for propoganda purposes and also that the providence of the leak does raise some questions (boosted by burner accounts on obscure German language sites simultaneously as being reposted by a user with the same name as the Reddit poster on a conspiracy news site where they also shared an anti-impeachment article with Labour aligned sources saying it was anonymously emailed to them from an address that did not reply) Doesn't say anything about the veracity of the document itself of course
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Dec 3, 2019 12:44
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Guavanaut posted:I read it as "the performance of the assessors will be gauged by metrics led by disabled people" rather than "skills wallets but for PIP" Ideally you would want DWP people to know about any difficulties so they can signpost / access other support services and programs. But given how that's gone under the Tory DWP it makes sense to be concerned. I wouldn't even want to give an assessor a glance at my mental health record because I'm terrified what they'd do with it.
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Dec 3, 2019 12:45
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My personal view is that if the Russians are interfering in our election it is not to the benefit of Labour or the Tories, but specifically - and bear with me here - to stop Brexit. Not because they want Britain to do well and Brexit would be a disaster, but because their initial plan for Brexit, which they absolutely pushed for, has not come to fruition as hoped. If you recall prior to the referendum result it was considered that Britain leaving would be the first in a line of 'dominoes' - Eurosceptic EU member states - 'breaking free' and collapsing the union. As you may have noticed, that didn't happen, so now consider Russia's geopolitical interest. They have some leverage over Germany due to natural gas supplies, but their biggest political power in the EU comes from the overly cosy position the oligarchs have within the Conservative Party. Now that Brexit means only us leaving the EU, it would cut off a large source of their influence. Had the dominoes fallen in chain, this would be offset, but it hasn't happened. So now they want us to remain, and their vehicle of choice, the Tories, are too far down the rabbit hole to pivot to anything other than hell Brexit. So now they've got to try something else - the leaking of the trade deal even prior to an election which damages the Tories, the hacking of Aaron Banks' Twitter account. These don't point to a pro-Labour element, but to damage the credibility of those pushing for Brexit. And yes I would like fries with that.
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Dec 3, 2019 12:47
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Purple Prince posted:Ideally you would want DWP people to know about any difficulties so they can signpost / access other support services and programs. But given how that's gone under the Tory DWP it makes sense to be concerned. Which I guess depends how you read it.
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Dec 3, 2019 12:48
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Rarity posted:What would you like to see implemented as the alternative? Well I'd like a Citizen's Income for starters so that the DWP has less power over individuals. But given that some disability qualifications for benefits will still be needed I should like them to focus on people's extra needs because they have disabilities, not on plans and barriers to them being employed. If you are blind you're going to have needs and expenses a sighted person doesn't, so you should get a benefit to cover that, and all you should need to do is provide medical evidence to prove you're blind. You should not have to let them see all your medical records, you shouldn't have to discuss your blindness and how it affects you with DWP workers, you shouldn't have to agree a plan with them for trying to get job and have them regularly judge your compliance.
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Dec 3, 2019 12:48
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josh04 posted:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1201800566495752192?s=19 Is he just saying the first thing that comes into his head, or does he generally think that "are you negotiating over the NHS" means we're going to give America the NHS?
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Dec 3, 2019 12:50
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Quote isnt Edit oh god I've never done this before I'm actually a little excited
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Dec 3, 2019 12:50
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Is he just saying the first thing that comes into his head, or does he generally think that "are you negotiating over the NHS" means we're going to give him the NHS? It is 100% a line his handlers have made him repeat until even he couldn't gently caress it up, because they know that if the Tories win re-election it absolutely can be on a silver platter. And to note, they worked so hard on this that he hosed up the anti-Semitism attack because he'd forgotten it.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Quote isnt Edit oh god I've never done this before I'm actually a little excited Get him
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VideoGames posted:I just checked wikipedia and what I discovered was shocking: radmonger posted:Analyse the ‘joke’. How is it supposed to be funny unless the punchline is how strong Putin is that he can have his enemies killed?
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Dec 3, 2019 12:58
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OFCOM shut down the tories complaint about the ice sculptures replacing Johnson and Farage in the climate debate https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1201827778737389568 Strom Cuzewon posted:Is he just saying the first thing that comes into his head, or does he generally think that "are you negotiating over the NHS" means we're going to give America the NHS? yes
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Dec 3, 2019 12:59
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Nish Kumar was booked for the lords taverners lunch. It didn't go down well. https://twitter.com/Kleesho/status/1201747427767865344
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Dec 3, 2019 13:01
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https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1201793064651628544?s=20 https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1201793067440918528?s=20 https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1201793068778827778?s=20
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Dec 3, 2019 13:01
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That Vote for Policies questionnaire has been updated for 2019 – it feels far less relevant this go around but might be a useful tool for anybody with parents who intend to vote Tory against their own self-interest or what have you.Jippa posted:Nish Kumar was booked for the lords taverners lunch. It didn't go down well. TACD fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Dec 3, 2019 13:05
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Tesseraction posted:My personal view is that if the Russians are interfering in our election it is not to the benefit of Labour or the Tories, but specifically - and bear with me here - to stop Brexit. My personal view is that whatever you've been smoking, it was very rude of you to not offer to share.
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Jedit posted:My personal view is that whatever you've been smoking, it was very rude of you to not offer to share. Look, we live in the dumbest world, and my theory is just as cromulent as any other.
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Dec 3, 2019 13:12
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Also I have rear end-mar so I cannot smoke. I drink instead.
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TACD posted:That Vote for Policies questionnaire has been updated for 2019 – it feels far less relevant this go around but might be a useful tool for anybody with parents who intend to vote Tory against their own self-interest or what have you. I've not listened to the Bugle for the last year or so, what's it like these days? Do they have the Correct Opinions or are we sending Zaltzman to the cricket gulag.
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Dec 3, 2019 13:13
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Her Dryer posted:I've not listened to the Bugle for the last year or so, what's it like these days? Do they have the Correct Opinions or are we sending Zaltzman to the cricket gulag. Nish is on it a lot and he is both extremely funny and pretty good politically. Andy is good I think, not like super enthusiastic about Corbyn but relentlessly attacks the Tories. Maybe a bit melty. I think Rob Forde is the only outright bad guest and he's only been in once, and I think he was offset my Mark Steele on that occasion.
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People will read into the article their own biases. I read the article and it says only that it is unable to confirm their authenticity, and that no official response has been forthcoming. Some people read that as a carefully neutral statement of fact, others as an attack on Labor. I myself am somewhat in the middle, the article doesn't state the documents are doctored, etc., but I can see that less cautious readers will take it as Labor spreading fake Russian documents, and this concerns me. Fold in the usual antagonism to Brown Moses from the usual suspects in here, and step back.
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Dec 3, 2019 13:28
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If the Labour party increases tax on corporation rates and dividends, what's to stop companies handing that cost down to the consumer? Why won't they raise prices and then kick up a stink saying "Corbyn made us do it"
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Her Dryer posted:I've not listened to the Bugle for the last year or so, what's it like these days? Do they have the Correct Opinions or are we sending Zaltzman to the cricket gulag. TACD fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Dec 3, 2019 13:29
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Jose posted:https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1201793064651628544?s=20 hahhaah amazing 
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Dec 3, 2019 13:31
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Azza Bamboo posted:If the Labour party increases tax on corporation rates and dividends, what's to stop companies handing that cost down to the consumer?
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Dec 3, 2019 13:32
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Apparently Jeremy has used the word "sorry" in response to a question about anti-Semitism in a hard hitting interview with Jeremy Paxman. No wait, not him, Philip Schofield. So now we wait to see how this is somehow a bad thing
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Dec 3, 2019 13:32
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Flayer posted:At least one competitor company will keep prices low and destroy all the ones who raise their prices unnecessarily. Who would invest in such a company to carry out the expansion it'd need to destroy the others? If they did, would they not be saying to the directorate "okay we're in but can you maybe just push our dividends up a little bit?" Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Dec 3, 2019 13:33
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Lol I just spoke with a recruiter about a role that might cease to exist under a Corbyn government as it's with an industry that will be nationalised
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Dec 3, 2019 13:34
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https://twitter.com/pressgazette/status/1201814584539172864 What a lovely, diverse list of people
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HauntedRobot posted:Apparently Jeremy has used the word "sorry" in response to a question about anti-Semitism in a hard hitting interview with Jeremy Paxman. No wait, not him, Philip Schofield. Remember when he handed Cameron a list of suspected Tory nonces
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