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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:He doesn’t really have free will, he does things but always knows how they will turn out. I’d imagine the dying brain of a senile racist like Trump experiences time more like Dr. Manhattan does than like a normal person. It’s always 1985 to him, no matter what else is going on.
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Mike the TV posted:Dr. Manhattan is way less omniscient than he's given credit. While he's able to bring awesome new technology to the world of the 80's, he also has to do the experiments to figure it out. He doesn't just 'know' it all already. He gets muddled when dealing with human relationships. He gets fooled into believing that he caused the cancer of his friends and colleagues. He gets tricked by Veidt, several times actually, and in the end gets tricked into siding with him. That's a good point. You'd think if manhattan was concerned, he could quickly verify that he did or didn't cause cancer by just observing the past. But then, he WAS there for those moments, so its more that he just got flustered and defensive. He's borderline omniscient but not remotely omnipotent or without character flaws. That's kinda the point, the more godlike he becomes, the less human he becomes. He loses touch with reality. So its really hard to say what manhattan can't do vs what he just.. doesn't care about. For all we know he could do much more. Like when Comedian shoots the vietnamese woman and then chides him because he could have turned the bullets into air but he just stood there and watched it happen.
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If they compare having blue skin to having black skin at any point in the next two episodes I'm burning down Lindelof's house They've wielded some extremely sensitive topics so far and managed to do so gracefully, but mannnn if I'm not a little bit worried the whole time
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:If they compare having blue skin to having black skin at any point in the next two episodes I'm burning down Lindelof's house It would be like the two separate times Kitty Pride used the n-word to prove a point to a black man about anti-mutant racism.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:If they compare having blue skin to having black skin at any point in the next two episodes I'm burning down Lindelof's house Lindelof said in interviews that he had a diverse writers' room that would occasionally shoot down his ideas due to racial sensitivity, so I think the show will be fine.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:If they compare having blue skin to having black skin at any point in the next two episodes I'm burning down Lindelof's house Angela (voice faltering as she swells with pride at the idea of AMERICA): As our adventures have shown, we can always defeat racism because America treats all people fairly. It doesn’t matter if you’re black, brown, yellow...or blue.
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and to think people tried to argue that this wasn't a blue lives matter show e: oh I guess that joke was already made. well I'm sticking with it
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Mike the TV posted:He gets muddled when dealing with human relationships. And on top of that he continually seeks out young tail.
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:We don’t know for sure if Jon can be killed, but there is evidence for “no”: If anyone is interested DC is doing a cross-over where Dr Manhatten travels to the DC universe and he gets into a fight with like half the Justice League and kicks their asses. At one point they manage to "kill" him through focus fire and he just reforms his body and whoops them again. The only thing I could think of would be some sort of perpetual Intrinsic field removal device. Maybe the cage they're building traps his particles in and they constantly blast him apart. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Don't read Doomsday Clock.
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 What the gently caress? I watched a video of some of the early stuff that looked cute enough, in a dumb comic booky kinda way. How on earth did it turn into that?
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Don't read Doomsday Clock. If I remember right he is acting to trick this Rorcharch to help him.
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Nephthys posted:If anyone is interested DC is doing a cross-over where Dr Manhatten travels to the DC universe and he gets into a fight with like half the Justice League and kicks their asses. At one point they manage to "kill" him through focus fire and he just reforms his body and whoops them again. We will finally answer the question of who is a better writer- Geoff Johns or a crack team of prestige television’s best. But, yeah, that’s what I was thinking of. Guy Gardner sucker punches Jon and breaks his neck and is all “that was easy haw haw haw” Then Jon resurrects, vaporizes the green lantern ring, snaps his fingers and takes out all the DC magicians and basically fucks up all the DC heroes with no effort. The gist of the story is that Manhattan is basically omnipotent, to the extent of changing key events of DC comics history. NON-CANON, I guess. The “constant intrinsic remover” idea is clever but can’t he just re-form somewhere else? That’s what he does at the end of the book.
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Nephthys posted:If anyone is interested DC is doing a cross-over where Dr Manhatten travels to the DC universe and he gets into a fight with like half the Justice League and kicks their asses. At one point they manage to "kill" him through focus fire and he just reforms his body and whoops them again. Is that the series where Manhattan is the creator of the DC Universe? Always thought that was a cool idea.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Don't read Doomsday Clock. Does he ever have a solemn moment where Batman tells him about 9/11? Did 9/11 happen in dc comics?
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Why is Rorschach, uh, in one pieceAntifa Turkeesian posted:Does he ever have a solemn moment where Batman tells him about 9/11? It did in marvel  Do you know how many random innocents Dr Doom has killed. It's over 3000.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Don't read Doomsday Clock. Wooof. I gotta say, the Darwyn Cooke parts of Before Watchmen are pretty good (Minutemen and Silk Spectre) in a way that just about the characters without bothering truly linking up to Watchmen.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Does he ever have a solemn moment where Batman tells him about 9/11? It sort of happened "off-panel" but 9/11 happened at the same time of a crossover called "Our Worlds At War" being published, which had a lot of space stuff raining down on american cities and smashing buildings. It was a strange coincidence.
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zoux posted:Why is Rorschach, uh, in one piece Funny thing about Juggernaut being there  
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9/11 would be like a normal Tuesday in either DC or Marvel. They let Grant Morrison kill off like 20,000,000 mutants in three panels in his run so I don't know if it would be an above the fold story in the Daily Bugle
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Yannick_B posted:Wooof. Had to look it up  Also while there's a lot of dumb and bad poo poo in DC, issue 10 (which explains Manhattan's arrival and how he shaped the DC universe) was pretty loving cool.
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zoux posted:Why is Rorschach, uh, in one piece In Doomsday Clock, Rorschach is Malcom Long's son. He got hit by the squid's psychic fallout, was committed to an asylum where he met Mothman, broke out, went through his father's notes on Kovacs (his dad also had Rorshach's original mask with the file) and decided to become Rorschach #2.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:It’s 7 episodes of a 9 episode season. The time has run out and we’re not going to get almost any satisfying end, at least I don’t think so personally. It’s cool a lot of people in this thread enjoyed the ride and this show but I just wish I could see what you guys see. All I see is a bad show with poorly written characters, a confusing plot and a bunch of mysteries. Next week is supposed to be another flashback episode as well. When will something happen? The final episode? there's only a quarter of the story left, there's not enough time for anything to happen
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LadyPictureShow posted:In Doomsday Clock, Rorschach is Malcom Long's son. drat they shoulda just made Watchman Babies
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zoux posted:drat they shoulda just made Watchman Babies They did and I posted it already, dammit!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w Mameluke posted:there's only a quarter of the story left, there's not enough time for anything to happen I gotta imagine it'll be a bizarre mirror of the original comic, where the climax takes you by surprise despite the pieces being there the whole time.
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Hahahaha that's so loving goofy This is why doing superheroes for serious as anything other than a Watchmen / Boys style parody is a mistake. Keep it light-hearted and goofy, or suddenly we have to start asking a ton of awkward questions.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:They did and I posted it already, dammit!! “Air the season finale? I’m not a brainless TV executive, I aired the finale 35 minutes ago”
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zoux posted:No I think they want to replicate the intrinsic field generator accident and get that power. I think Trieu is pretty emphatic on that. I think a brick falling at terminal velocity is all you need really
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The best part of Doomsday Clock is all the Batman Rogues are having a meeting and The Comedian comes in and just starts shooting them and they''re all 'wtf?' because they have no experience with that level of escalation, and Joker can't stop laughing that Riddler got hit in the leg. I like Doomsday Clock but it is dumb. It has extreme 'When are we going to get to the fireworks factory' energy going on, because Superman has not yet met Dr Manhatten yet.
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Caught up on this show the last two days. I had very low expectations, but it's been amazing and I wish I waited another week so I could marathon it and look forward to the last episode. This latest episode was a bit of a mess at tying Angela's story to Dr. Manhattan, but I'll probably forgive it by the next episode. Lol at Laurie getting captured by a lovely super-villain who explains his plan ~35 minutes before he does it instead of ~35 minutes after.
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KoRMaK posted:I think a brick falling at terminal velocity is all you need really All you woul'd need is portals... Aw poo poo.
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twistedmentat posted:The best part of Doomsday Clock is all the Batman Rogues are having a meeting and The Comedian comes in and just starts shooting them and they''re all 'wtf?' because they have no experience with that level of escalation, and Joker can't stop laughing that Riddler got hit in the leg. The delays certainly haven't helped Issue 1: Nov 2017 Issue 2: Dec 2017 Issue 3: Jan 2018 Issue 4: Mar 2018 Issue 5: May 2018 Issue 6: July 2018 Issue 7: Sep 2018 Issue 8: Dec 2018 Issue 9: Mar 2019 Issue 10: May 2019 Issue 11: Sep 2019 Issue 12: Two weeks from now.
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I own a copy of the original 1986 Watchmen compilation that I bought five years ago, used, from a thrift shop. It has some... enhancements. Also, the suicide bomber at the funeral, well, 
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graham cracker posted:I own a copy of the original 1986 Watchmen compilation that I bought five years ago, used, from a thrift shop. It has some... enhancements. incredible Barney sliding down like it's a firehouse pole graham cracker posted:Also, the suicide bomber at the funeral, well, drat. i dunno if its good writing, but i find it enjoyable to keep getting in this recursive rhyming echos inside a story. it feels like music, theres a chorus/verse that you keep going back too. whcih a little bit of that is "i recognie this" nostalgia but it does feel good for a minute. anyway, shows enjoyable i like it alot KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Dec 4, 2019 |
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I've only skimmed the thread, but has the show diverted enough from the source material that I won't be looking at spoilers if I read the thread? I'm not sure what the protocol is, but I'm really enjoying the show and I'm pretty sensitive to that poo poo. I'd really like to ask questions and see other people's reactions to each episode.
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Sorry, are you asking if the show has spoiled the comic book? If that's the question, everyone talks pretty freely about the comic ITT but also the show pretty much spoils the comic already.
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Ariza posted:I've only skimmed the thread, but has the show diverted enough from the source material that I won't be looking at spoilers if I read the thread? I'm not sure what the protocol is, but I'm really enjoying the show and I'm pretty sensitive to that poo poo. I'd really like to ask questions and see other people's reactions to each episode. Just enjoy the show and don't worry about what other people think. Then judge the show and call everyone around you idiots I guess. lol j/k have a wonderful watchmens tl;dr read the entire thread to this point and sort out the badposts. edit: or just wait and watch the show and not analyze it before you initially view it. Enjoy the show.
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graham cracker posted:
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