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Its Coke posted:maclunkey From the bottom of my heart, Thank you for posting this.
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Schwarzwald posted:Sometimes an Egyptian is basically a good guy and other times they are being controlled by the Nazis and it's OK to kill them if you have to. Does Raider's of the Lost Ark present the Egyptians as people? Raiders barely presents Egyptians as people. Mostly, they're just exotic background filler. It's quite a stretch to say the humans are remotely controlled by MOTHER. They clearly exhibit an independent will. The battle droids don't, or at least I can't remember them doing so. But much more significantly, Ripley says and does many things from which one can discern a mind or personality. She is much more than a box on two feet that periodically lets out a monotone "gonk" sound. Allow me some counter questions Is a mouse droid a person? What about that rolling thing with all the arms that the Jawas have to sell? What about droidekas? Is BB8 a person or more like a really clever pet? I won't deny that droids are consistently presented as being alive. I won't even deny that most of the named droids are consistently presented as being people or at least close enough to people to deserve being empathized with as if they were. But when it comes to how droids are treated and whether or not that is right or wrong, the movies begin to get inconsistent. Slavery is called out as an explicitly evil thing, but many of the explicitly good people possess droids as basically slaves. Wiping their memories appears to be a common and unproblematic practice. Casting aside damaged droids or destroying them arbitrarily frightens other droids, but nobody else really bats an eye at it. But also, let me step back, and then I'll drop this: the broader point is that it's silly to hang one's reading of the prequels on 3PO being "killed" when he isn't actually killed and what is done to him isn't actually presented as an evil act.
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DeimosRising posted:How does this keep happening Oh man, I don't know if you're referring to this particular discussion or me becoming a pedantic poo poo like I did back in my 40K thread days (which was the behavior that made me force myself away from the forums for so long). Either way, thanks. You made me pause and reconsider. Captain Jesus posted:Of course droids aren't really people, because they are fictional beings. They are people in the Star Wars universe though and the fact they are sometimes not treated as people by other characters is not an example of inconsistent storytelling, but part of the story. Legit thanks for pointing out the obvious here because in my zeal to argue my position, I was missing the forest for the trees and unfairly characterizing the variety of droids and the ways in which they're treated as inconsistent. In my mind, I was resting on the idea that I didn't really give a poo poo about gonk droids until Jedi asked me to sympathize with one by showing the poor thing get tortured. That's not inconsistency. That's just how stories work. I still don't think mind wiping 3PO at the end of Sith is some indictment of the Rebellion or its goals, but that's not because of any inconsistency in the narrative, and I was being silly to argue so.
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Star Wars Spoiler thread: 9000 posts later we are at consensus on at least one issue
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No Mods No Masters posted:Star Wars Spoiler thread: 9000 posts later we are at consensus on at least one issue They're all the same issue if you think about it.
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No Mods No Masters posted:Star Wars Spoiler thread: 9000 posts later we are at consensus on at least one issue That's not true. It's impossible.
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I don't like replies. It's all coarse, and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere.
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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
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Father! The Sleeper has awakened!
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I know now why you make bad posts, but it's something I can never do.
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I mean, I was always on the more "Droids don't work the same as organics" side of the argument but everyone here just kinda forgot. Cnut is some kinda thread bogeyman meanwhile no one will even buy me red text calling a Droid racist or whatever.
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galagazombie posted:I mean, I was always on the more "Droids don't work the same as organics" side of the argument but everyone here just kinda forgot. Yeah, I don't think that's in question, but I'll cop to resting a whole lot of bullshit on it.
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YaketySass posted:They're all the same issue if you think about it. Just double checking to make sure, it's whether star wars fans like star wars, right?
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I like Starwars and I like cold beverage.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Indiana Jones is himself of inconsistent personhood, because at some points it is morally acceptable to crush him with a boulder & at others we help him escape on a seaplane. Maybe it was a sea snake...
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JJ said last week that the movie had just been finished. However, I choose not to believe him
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The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is.
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commando in tophat posted:Anybody knows why the guys making The Mandalorian weren't hired to make main trilogy? I just saw 4 episodes of that and it seems so much better than "a death star but bigger", "mystery snoke, ok, now he's dead, oh well" and "oh hey, let's bring palps back for no reason" https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0269463/
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No Mods No Masters posted:JJ said last week that the movie had just been finished. However, I choose not to believe him JJ lied. Khan survived.
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galagazombie posted:I mean, I was always on the more "Droids don't work the same as organics" side of the argument but everyone here just kinda forgot. Cnut is some kinda thread bogeyman meanwhile no one will even buy me red text calling a Droid racist or whatever. You already have the generic racist avatar so it seems redundant.
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Droids are alive but life is cheap in the star wars, especially life that can be mass produced. Or if you're not a named character in a major release.
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Its Coke posted:maclunkey And a fine Maclunkey to you too
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PeterWeller posted:Oh man, I don't know if you're referring to this particular discussion or me becoming a pedantic poo poo like I did back in my 40K thread days (which was the behavior that made me force myself away from the forums for so long). Either way, thanks. You made me pause and reconsider. I meant the discussion, I always liked you in the distant 40k posting days, whatever that side site we had was called Good on you for listening and changing your mind on the internet tho
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Actually are all the droids sapient in the EU and such? Some could be clever and social but still just machines, like TARS in interstellar
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Is TARS dead?
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Shaocaholica posted:Is TARS dead? TARS is literally there at the end of the film. gently caress knows for CASE 
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Captain Splendid posted:TARS is literally there at the end of the film. gently caress knows for CASE Lol that's dedication. Da gently caress is that one person split at the groin?
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my favorite character in the starwar is Obi Ben Wan Kenobi portayed by great actor Ewan McClunkey
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Shaocaholica posted:Lol that's dedication. Da gently caress is that one person split at the groin? its probably basically the same setup as the film: the puppeteer is behind the robot
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:And a fine Maclunkey to you too [Father and son sit at table in the year 2250] Father: 3...2...1... Maclunkey! [Father and son simultaneously shoot confetti at each other. They share a laugh.] Son: Dad, how did Maclunkey Day start? Father: Nobody remembers, son. And now, as per Maclunkey Day tradition, let's watch Titan AE
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Captain Splendid posted:TARS is literally there at the end of the film. gently caress knows for CASE Case is seen with Anne Hathaway on her planet at the end Droids are clearly people 
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TARS and CASE were great characters. Almost as good as the all time best fictional robot, R2D2.
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TARS is both the wise-cracking Marine in the sci-fi team, and also the super useful robot. He fills two niches, R2D2 really can't compete.
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That also describes Artoo
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Mulva posted:TARS is both the wise-cracking Marine in the sci-fi team, and also the super useful robot. He fills two niches, R2D2 really can't compete. Have you even watched a Star War?
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R2D2 never served in the American military, he does not have my support
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R2D2 also fucks a lot while TARS is volcel
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Vague details supposedly from Trevorrow's script got posted to redditquote:The Trevorrow Episode 9
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