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Shere posted:I'm sure other people said it but I definitely recalled expressing that exact sentiment and yup: To be fair, while I agree Overhaul arc was pretty much a filler arc for heroes, I feel that it contained a lot of pretty significant moments for Villain Alliance: It was the first time Shigaraki kept his temper in check and made the smart and strategically sound decision, the first time members of VA demonstrated genuine bond between each other, the first time they actually killed someone on-screen and, by getting their hands on quirk erasing bullets and...neutralizing Overhaul, the first time they achieved an undisputed victory. A lot of the development that turned Villain Alliance into credible threat to Hero Society began during this Arc.
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Don't misunderstand, I wasn't trying to say the Yakuza Arc is filler. I am saying Overhaul feels like a character that shows up in one of those types of stories. He's underdeveloped until a too little, too late flashback right before Deku slugs him into the sky. His power is impossible to write around long term (see the anime thread realizing his power is basically a more busted version of FMA alchemy). His sole purpose in the story is to give Shigaraki a win and the quirk erasing bullets and bow out. Nighteye has similar problems and surprise both of them wind up disappearing from the story forever after they do what they need to. I enjoyed the arc itself but those two characters felt more like set pieces than people. Solanumai fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Dec 4, 2019 |
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As someone who binged the manga a week or so ago out of curiosity of how this arc went, I will say that I expected more from Overhaul given his introduction. Instead he's just like "I have a plan" and by the end of the week he's missing his leg, Eri, and the Quirk bullets. Nighteye is also weird because you'd think that "Guy who was All Might's sidekick" would've come up before now at some point.
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Dec 4, 2019 16:27
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The arc has long lasting ramifications and Eri doesn't get disappeared into a closet but Nighteye and Overhaul end up feeling pretty superfluous to the plot because both of their powers kinda break the plot if they stick around so they got to go. Gran Torino didn't get mentioned either until his appearance but he integrated into the plot well so it was fine. Nighteye shows up and the instant you hear what his quirk can really do- you know he has to go somehow because he ruins everything if he sticks around. Overhaul has an ungodly quirk (he can't do actual alchemy- just break down, merge, and reconstruct things. He can't say turn lead to gold), which is kinda baffling- if he can cure/reconstruct bodies you'd think he could've made bank being the ultimate street doc.
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Someone asked about how Overhaul is creating the bullets in the anime thread and I can't remember if it's a spoiler to elaborate on it or not and my memory of it isn't great. I think he pretty much is just exploding her right? I recall it being pretty gruesome.
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Nephthys posted:Someone asked about how Overhaul is creating the bullets in the anime thread and I can't remember if it's a spoiler to elaborate on it or not and my memory of it isn't great. I think he pretty much is just exploding her right? I recall it being pretty gruesome. I think that is right. In terms of spoilers maybe wait until the Kirishama fight as it is during the wrap up that it is mentioned that Overhaul can basically kill someone and then instantly reform them. Fabricated posted:Gran Torino didn't get mentioned either until his appearance but he integrated into the plot well so it was fine. Nighteye shows up and the instant you hear what his quirk can really do- you know he has to go somehow because he ruins everything if he sticks around. Overhaul has an ungodly quirk (he can't do actual alchemy- just break down, merge, and reconstruct things. He can't say turn lead to gold), which is kinda baffling- if he can cure/reconstruct bodies you'd think he could've made bank being the ultimate street doc. Overhaul is too caught up with trying to revive the Yakuza to worry about things like making money or that the man he claims to respect the most doesn't want his granddaughter repeatedly mutilated.
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Nephthys posted:Someone asked about how Overhaul is creating the bullets in the anime thread and I can't remember if it's a spoiler to elaborate on it or not and my memory of it isn't great. I think he pretty much is just exploding her right? I recall it being pretty gruesome. Hunt11 posted:I think that is right. In terms of spoilers maybe wait until the Kirishama fight as it is during the wrap up that it is mentioned that Overhaul can basically kill someone and then instantly reform them. Yeah, I read the manga but my partner doesn't, and in the anime watchers know now that the bullets are derived from Eri, but they don't yet know that Overhaul's been exploding/reconstructing her to use her past her limits. 
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It's kind of funny to think about how "broken" Overhaul's quirk seemed at the time now that Shigaraki's had his absurd powerup(and will continue to get even more crazy after the doctor is finished with him). I wonder if Overhaul's quirk could counter the effects of Shigaraki's decay?
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Shere posted:... I am saying Overhaul feels like a character that shows up in one of those types of stories. Overhaul was the same minus being an awesome character. He had the potential to be cool but it was squandered because his character was basically just "a bad guy" and his powers could have been alchemy but instead they were limited to "spikes" and then later minor earthbending and a hulk out. The fight could have been infinitely more interesting had more been done with it.
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Eri has a flashback that shows Overhaul taking a scalpel to her. From his conversation with Mirio it basically seems like Overhaul dissected Eri manually until she was on the verge of death and then used his quirk to fix her body. He implies to Mirio that she has died on the table before because he essentially says he can bring people back from death if he reconstructs them fast enough, and that Eri knows what that experience is like.
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Overhaul didn't want to be a doctor, he wanted to dismember a kindergartner.
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overhaul both hates quirks for undermining traditional criminal organizations like the yakuza and owes his entire position in the criminal underground to quirks (both his own and eri's) and this essential hypocrisy is never called out once in the story beyond a single taunt from shigaraki at the very end i am not getting over this
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Dec 4, 2019 17:49
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Honestly, Shiggy calling him out on it before removing his ability to use his Quirk in a very painful way feels like a fitting end for him. Bonus that it's close to what he put Eri through.
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Oxxidation posted:overhaul both hates quirks for undermining traditional criminal organizations like the yakuza and owes his entire position in the criminal underground to quirks (both his own and eri's) and this essential hypocrisy is never called out once in the story beyond a single taunt from shigaraki at the very end
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Fabricated posted:Part of me thinks that Shigaraki being the person to point this out was intentional. It absolutely is because Overhaul’s thought process is ultimately rooted in mainstream society (which we know treats quirks as a dangerous thing to be controlled not something to be openly embraced outside heroes) whilst Shigi hates every part of mainstream society (admittedly because Shiggy kind of just hates everything equally outside his allies and hobbies).
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Fabricated posted:Part of me thinks that Shigaraki being the person to point this out was intentional. my point is that it should have been a focal point of overhaul’s character and was reduced to a one off line right before he was ejected from the story completely it further emphasizes what a waste of time he turned out to be
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I bet we'll see Overhaul rotting in his cell at least once before the series is over. Maybe a moment where Eri confronts him and realizes she isn't afraid of him anymore.
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Oxxidation posted:my point is that it should have been a focal point of overhaul’s character and was reduced to a one off line right before he was ejected from the story completely Why should it be a focal point of his character? He's a sociopath, not a robot. "Ah, but aren't you a hypocrite because..." isn't going to cause him to shut down or have a mental break. Bad people do hypocritical things for their own benefit and generally don't give a poo poo.
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Adder Moray posted:Why should it be a focal point of his character? He's a sociopath, not a robot. "Ah, but aren't you a hypocrite because..." isn't going to cause him to shut down or have a mental break. Bad people do hypocritical things for their own benefit and generally don't give a poo poo. because, again, that hypocrisy was the closest thing to an actual character trait he had besides "germophobe" and "FMA ripoff" the guy sucked up an entire arc to himself despite having about as much personality as the chumps he merged with a van after his very first appearance. he could have been developed more, and the dichotomy between his grudge against quirks and his reliance on his own power would have been a good place to start, but instead he served no purpose other than a face to punch and a quick foil to shigaraki, which is one of the main reasons why the yakuza arc felt like such a chore
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Lord_Magmar posted:Shiggy's hobbies ... I kinda wanna see Shigaraki sitting down to play some videogames with Spinner, now. Though I guess the two probably have different taste in games. Shiggy's been so busy with work lately he'd probably love to have some free time to sit down and go to town on some meaty sixty-hour RPG.
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Crasical posted:... I kinda wanna see Shigaraki sitting down to play some videogames with Spinner, now. Though I guess the two probably have different taste in games. Yeah, Spinner strikes me as being more of a Devil May Cry fan.
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Oxxidation posted:because, again, that hypocrisy was the closest thing to an actual character trait he had besides "germophobe" and "FMA ripoff" Well, I mean, there's also "I'm doing this to repay you for everything, Boss! But you don't get me, so I'm going to put you into a coma first." If the characters stopped to talk about all of the ways that Overhaul was a hypocrite, they'd probably have to clear their schedules.
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This week's spoilers are  Aizawa gets bought in to talk to Kurogiri at Tartarus. Kurogiri may in fact be a modified Shirakumo or his portal quirk might be built from a combination of quirks using Shirakumo's as a base.
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kidcoelacanth posted:i wonder if there's any word that's become as meaningless in anime discourse than filler monster of the week as a descriptor
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Rhonne posted:I bet we'll see Overhaul rotting in his cell at least once before the series is over. Maybe a moment where Eri confronts him and realizes she isn't afraid of him anymore. I hope she punches him in the dick as a mirror to Deku and Kota
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Vinylshadow posted:I hope she punches him in the dick as a mirror to Deku and Kota Overhaul's dick is erased from existence.
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Vinylshadow posted:I hope she punches him in the dick as a mirror to Deku and Kota Honestly just doing the “I’m not touching yoooou” playground game with the stumps where his arms used to be is probably enough, really
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Honestly, there was so much catharsis in the way Shigaraki dealt with him that I'd rather he just stay gone. I would especially not like it if Eri were ever even near him again. It would be kind of funny re: hypocrisy chat if he begged to have Eri rewind his hands back on though. Dude's probably wallowing in loops like no other. "If only I had my hands I could use my quirk to fix my hands  "
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TheKingofSprings posted:Honestly just doing the “I’m not touching yoooou” playground game with the stumps where his arms used to be is probably enough, really "I mean, I could probably use my Rewind quirk to fix his hands buuuut...gently caress 'em."
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You don't need Eri to see Overhaul to signify that she moved past him as the whole point of the rock concert is that she is finally free from his influence.
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You think they still put Overhaul is a max security prison even though he's essentually harmless now? I'd like to think he's in a cell next to Stain, who is stoked to hear that hero kid he liked so much is still doing good work.
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Hunt11 posted:You don't need Eri to see Overhaul to signify that she moved past him as the whole point of the rock concert is that she is finally free from his influence. no, the whole point of the rock concert was to see bakugou playing the drums
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I thought it was about Deku learning to dance?
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Rhonne posted:You think they still put Overhaul is a max security prison even though he's essentually 'armless now?
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:
Thanks for reminding me that in spite of being a pretty minor character through both Overhaul and School Festival, Mina still managed to be one of the best chatacters. She's too powerful, if she were ever given focus the manga would instantly become hers.
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Viridiant posted:Thanks for reminding me that in spite of being a pretty minor character through both Overhaul and School Festival, Mina still managed to be one of the best chatacters.
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Fabricated posted:It's okay she'll get a huge boost in popularity when Horikoshi kills her in the Act 3 opening "Midoriya... never stop dancing" * dies *
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Well I couldn't hold off any longer and started vigilantes. Volume one was great and I think the US releases are at vol 6. Won't take long to go through that, what's the latest chapter vs where vol 6 leaves off?
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Kingtheninja posted:Well I couldn't hold off any longer and started vigilantes. Volume one was great and I think the US releases are at vol 6. Won't take long to go through that, what's the latest chapter vs where vol 6 leaves off?
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