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Dapper_Swindler posted:I fundamentally cannot understand the Republican approach here. Even in a hearing without Schiff, why is their only defense that there's not enough evidence? It just reminds everyone that Trump is refusing to comply with lawful evidence gathering. i mean i understand that they have nothing and they also have their hands tied by trump but jesus. Cognitive dissonance is a central plank of the republican party.
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The desperate need to call people completely unrelated to this investigation, while refusing to actually provide witnesses who were directly involved in this, is just loving insane. What is wrong with these people?
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Somebody bring up sexual abuse so Gym can walk out the backdoor...
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I really wish someone would read turlys previous writings to him
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Gym Jordan (R-State That Makes People Flee the Earth) once again tries to raise his voice and talk fast in lieu of having an actual point.
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Google Butt posted:I really wish someone would read turlys previous writings to him
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The look on Turley's face very briefly went all "oh poo poo, I'm one of the bad guys aren't I?" when Jordan was ranting.
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LtStorm posted:Gym Jordan (R-State That Makes People Flee the Earth) once again tries to raise his voice and talk fast in lieu of having an actual point. There’s a term for that
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Dec 4, 2019 21:24
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Gym Jordan - R- Why are we bothering with any dumb "constitution" stuff here?!
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Link for that last one, if anyone cares: http://scholarship.law.unc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3825&context=nclr
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Dec 4, 2019 21:25
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I mean, honestly I haven't seen a single actual argument from the GOP today, so I am not sure that's quite right.
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Dec 4, 2019 21:26
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Nah, Gish galloping is a whole bunch of bad-faith nonsense arguments in a short space of time. Gym's thing is just reading one single thing at high speed and volume. We have yet to adapt our defences to handle this attack
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Dec 4, 2019 21:26
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Is this guy's defense 'someone did this once and got away with it so it's legal now'
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Dec 4, 2019 21:28
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what the gently caress is this? now obama?
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Alright, dig them up and we'll have a cadaver impeachment. I'm sold.
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OBAMA!!!!!!
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Old Surly posted:what the gently caress is this? whataboutism
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What the hell is the point of this hearing if the Ds are just going to talk to their witnesses and the Rs to theirs? All it does is let the Rs reinforce their alternate reality bubble.
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Why don't you direct these questions to the experts whose definition you're attacking you exceptional coward, you. edit: lmao as if the Republicans would be worried about having the opportunity to politically lynch any Democratic president at their earliest convenience.
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Dec 4, 2019 21:29
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Is Buck's argument right now that "all these other Republican presidents did crimes but we didn't impeach them" ?
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Fister Roboto posted:What the hell is the point of this hearing if the Ds are just going to talk to their witnesses and the Rs to theirs? All it does is let the Rs reinforce their alternate reality bubble. welcome to the US government!!
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LOL Turdley didn't bite that one
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I fundamentally cannot understand the Republican approach here. Even in a hearing without Schiff, why is their only defense that there's not enough evidence? It just reminds everyone that Trump is refusing to comply with lawful evidence gathering. i mean i understand that they have nothing and they also have their hands tied by trump but jesus. Trump is too stupid to hide his criminality and the GOP is too stupid to come up with a better defense
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Karlan is really owning these GOP talking points.
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I checked the 2018 election results to see if there was any hope of us being rid of Louie Gohmert any time soon, but he won his last election by like 100,000 votes so it appears we will be stuck with his stupidity for some time.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I checked the 2018 election results to see if there was any hope of us being rid of Louie Gohmert any time soon, but he won his last election by like 100,000 votes so it appears we will be stuck with his stupidity for some time. He's been in office long enough to just accept he depicts his district perfectly.
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Dec 4, 2019 21:39
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gym and ratcliffe both are safe too
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Dec 4, 2019 21:40
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Oh thank god, someone's finally grilling Turley.
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Nice call out on Turley.
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Dec 4, 2019 21:42
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Turley arguing...almost in so many words...that ignoring Congressional subpoenas isn't obstruction because, who knows, maybe the SC is going to overturn US v. Nixon and you don't know until you try.
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Here is Jonathan Turley, to the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.quote:That is why this is wrong. It's not wrong because President Trump is right. His call was anything but perfect. It's not wrong because the House has no legitimate reason to investigate Ukrainian controversy. Point's not wrong because we're in an election year. There is no good time for an impeachment. No, it's wrong because this is not how you impeach an American president. This case is not a case of the unknowable. It's a case of the peripheral. We have a record of conflicts, defenses that have not been fully considered, unsubpoenaed witness with material evidence. To impeach a president on this record would expose every future president to the same time of inchoate impeachment. Here is Jonathan Turley, in 1998. quote:In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker; it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. The allegations against President Clinton go to the very heart of the legitimacy of his office and the integrity of the political system. As an individual, a president may seek spiritual redemption in the company of friends and family. Constitutional redemption, however, is found only in the company of representatives of all three branches in the well of the Senate. It is there that legitimacy, once recklessly lost, can be regained by a president.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I checked the 2018 election results to see if there was any hope of us being rid of Louie Gohmert any time soon, but he won his last election by like 100,000 votes so it appears we will be stuck with his stupidity for some time. Gohmert is basically in Red State Hell right?
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Dec 4, 2019 21:43
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Why not ask Turley why he is full of poo poo
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refleks posted:Why not ask Turley why he is full of poo poo It's clear the guy isn't actually partisan - his history of support mostly falls on the Democrat side - however, he said for himself that he doesn't have skin in the game for which side wins impeachment and he is basically loving how much spotlight his specific legal view is getting (which pretty much seems to be "Trump needs to literally admit to doing the bad things under oath for it to be impeachable").
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lmao.. "You haven't heard from people who know about it" Cool, lets get them in
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You have to prove it...to me... not to yourselves. But to ME, a republican.
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The fact witness talking point was just invented today right?
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ROCKET DOCKET
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Thom12255 posted:The fact witness talking point was just invented today right? It's an extension of the hearsay thing.
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