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As far as I know Jake only hurt himself for the most part, as well as not being around for his daughter. And you could say showing up to events in no condition to perform. But what lovely things has he done to other people?
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i voted for austin because unless roberts did something unspeakable his lovely childhood accounts for a lot
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Yeah, I feel like having Grizzy Smith as a father is a pretty good reason for being a drug addict well into your sixties.
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i would like to say that being a bad and/or absent parent is worth more than has been mentioned previously in terms of shittiness. "Stone Cold" is one bad dude however!
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Better than being a hands-on parent like Buck Zumhofe.
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Yeah, Jake isn't really a good person and has a lot of stories of him being an absolute dirtbag but there is also a lot that explains why he was such a dysfunctional person. It's not an excuse but it is an explanation. Also I don't think he's a wife beater. The wife beating is really what wins it out for Steve.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:As far as I know Jake only hurt himself for the most part, as well as not being around for his daughter. And you could say showing up to events in no condition to perform. But what lovely things has he done to other people? He would call up a promoter he was friends with and tell him he needed $500 to bail himself out or he wouldn't make the show. The promoter knew it was BS, but he needed Jake on these shows so he'd pay. Jake eventually scammed him out of $10,000 or so. The promoter never asked for the money back when Jake got his life together, but recently was diagnosed with cancer and reached out to Jake, Jake ignored him. Jake was pretty notorious for no showing or holding up promoters back in the day.
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It says a lot about that the state of wrestling that I think Austin's seeded a bit too high for 'just' wifebeating. Still voted for him though. gently caress off Steve.
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For better or worse, I have sympathy for Jake. I reckon that some of this is related to everything DDP has publicly done for him. It's no secret that when someone self-destructs as hard as Jake did that you leave a wake of damage behind you, but drat. I may love Austin as a performer but there's nothing even close to that for him. Easy vote for Austin here.
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MassRafTer posted:He would call up a promoter he was friends with and tell him he needed $500 to bail himself out or he wouldn't make the show. The promoter knew it was BS, but he needed Jake on these shows so he'd pay. There we go, thank you. And I was not attempting to downplay being an absentee father, I apologize.
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Rarity posted:It says a lot about that the state of wrestling that I think Austin's seeded a bit too high for 'just' wifebeating. Still voted for him though. gently caress off Steve. I feel like seeding in this tournament will ultimately work itself out through the matchups, but it's wild that someone like Vince is a 3 seed (which is understandable given who is above him) but Austin is a 4 seed.
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Seams posted:I’m voting for Linda or Vince over everybody else in this tournament. vince seems like a shoe-in for champ since he personally enabled almost all of these fuckers
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It seems like both Jake and Austin have at least attempted to change, and either will get knocked out next round.
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I will say that Austin is the one person who feels overseeded. He got added in early and when it came to moving people around I really didn't want to move him down because I'd seen interviews with Debra.
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Yinlock posted:vince seems like a shoe-in for champ since he personally enabled almost all of these fuckers that’s exactly my reasoning. most of the people on this list are only responsible for their own shittiness as horrible as that may be. Vince played a part in 90% of all of them, in either an active or passive role.
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Seams posted:that’s exactly my reasoning. most of the people on this list are only responsible for their own shittiness as horrible as that may be. Vince played a part in 90% of all of them, in either an active or passive role. The thing that puts him over the edge is that we know how tightly he runs the company as essentially a dictatorship and story after story about how WWE operates basically puts him as the final say on every single thing that the company does, so even in the stories where he might otherwise be absolved are given greater weight just because we know how hands on he is with poo poo.
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Brody was stabbed because Invader heard a rumor that Brody was gonna start a new promotion with a lot of Colon’s talent. I don’t think Colon ordered the hit but he def covered up. Colon and Brody were not cordial but there’s a zillion better ways to quietly kill a dude.
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one thing i think could have been done, and colon would be alive today if he'd done it, is to kill bruiser brody with kindness. i'm editing this post so quickly that you can't tell it was edited in order to say that i know carlos colon is still alive. that doesn't contradict what i said if you'd pay better attention. what's done is done, though; I don't want you to go back and try to correct yourself, or correct someone or whatever since it's in the past.
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Vince MechMahon posted:It seems like both Jake and Austin have at least attempted to change, and either will get knocked out next round. I've seen this before and asked and never really gotten an answer... has Austin actually done anything to "try and change?" Has he apologized publicly, condemned his own actions, spoke out against domestic violence, donated time or money to women's shelters, or anything? Because as far as I'm aware all Austin's done in terms of rehabilitation is not get arrested for beating a wife in awhile. But I'd love to be wrong and find out he's made a genuine knowable effort or change. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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Yinlock posted:also while i don't think lawler is the worst person in wrestling history(though he's still pretty loving up there) he would definitely clinch some kind of Most Garbage prize Maybe some sort of lifetime achievement award? Most Awful Through Five Decades?
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Obviously I'm voting for Moolah but my heart is fully feeling "gently caress Enzo."
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Enzo being part of a bad MSG angle that probably blew up in ROH's face is amazing and he sucks but this is an easy win for Moolah who could win the whole thing
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STAC Goat posted:I've seen this before and asked and never really gotten an answer... has Austin actually done anything to "try and change?" Has he apologized publicly, condemned his own actions, spoke out against domestic violence, donated time or money to women's shelters, or anything? Because as far as I'm aware all Austin's done in terms of rehabilitation is not get arrested for beating a wife in awhile. But I'd love to be wrong and find out he's made a genuine knowable effort or change. It's not necessarily "enough" or close to it, but it's there.
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davidbix posted:He had a massive painkiller problem at the time. Which isn't an excuse, but it does seem like it exacerbated a lot of issues to make him the worst possible version of himself. While he's not allowed to talk about the case, he has made numerous attempts on his podcast to do what he can to discuss it within those limits. By any chance could you direct me towards it? Because like, I've been asking this question for years now because to me it just feels like fans really want to like Austin so they're writing in that he's had some big change. I get that maybe he doesn't have the same substance abuse problems he had then but like, they're not an excuse for what he did and what he did was a pattern, not an isolated incident. And I'm all for forgiveness and reform but its kind of gotta be earned and I feel like fans gloss past that part with Austin to get back to enjoying him. But if its out there I definitely would be curious to check it out and maybe get rid of this lovely resentment I have towards the general wrestling community.
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Hopkins FBI posted:Maybe some sort of lifetime achievement award? Most Awful Through Five Decades? Vince would still have him beat.
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STAC Goat posted:By any chance could you direct me towards it? Because like, I've been asking this question for years now because to me it just feels like fans really want to like Austin so they're writing in that he's had some big change. I get that maybe he doesn't have the same substance abuse problems he had then but like, they're not an excuse for what he did and what he did was a pattern, not an isolated incident. And I'm all for forgiveness and reform but its kind of gotta be earned and I feel like fans gloss past that part with Austin to get back to enjoying him.
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Yeah, Enzo's generally a creep and probably a sex pest, but Moolah was a full on human trafficker
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Honestly I don't even think Enzo deserves to be in these brackets. He's an rear end in a top hat and probably a sex pest, but compared to literally everyone else in this...yeah. He comes off as the least lovely person in the entire thing by a wide margin to me.
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davidbix posted:Not offhand. I haven't listened in forever because he basically stopped doing new episodes, and he had mostly stopped doing interviews long before that. But there are a bunch of episodes where he uses buzzwords about "needing to get his head out of the business" in that era. There's a smaller amount where he explicitly talks about how he thinks that his painkiller use during the early 2000s was his problem much more than his drinking. It's not a single episode thing as much as it was a pattern when substance abuse and cutting ties with wrestling would come up. I dunno. I feel like that's my problem with the Austin thing. It feels like people equate the substance abuse and the domestic abuse and I don't like that. He's worked on the substance abuse and I'm happy for him (and those around him) but like... he still beat (at least) 2 women. And I'd feel a lot better if he just said something like "I was a horrible person who hurt people and I'll try to even those scales the rest of my life by donating to safe houses or crisis lines" or something. I don't know. I just feel like I've seen a lot of "I had problems" and no "I was a woman beating piece of poo poo."
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Just a loving windmill slam for Moolah here. Just me being that meme of a dude having to pulled away from mashing a button. When 'Destroyed the Credibility of Women's Wrestling for over 50 years' isn't close to the worst thing you've ever done you are a frontrunner to win this entire wretched monster parade. In short. gently caress sex traffickers and gently caress Moolah. I wish I could pray hell into existence so she would know punishment for her sins.
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that was a good slam dunk by ChrisBTY. not great, but good. a good starter for the dunk contest. let's go to the judges for your score. 10. 10. 10. 10. ok well now there is nowhere to go in the contest. every good dunk has to be all 10s or it isn't fair any longer. way to go judges. the judges are stupid as hell, and don't care about their roles. gently caress this. i never watch the dunk contest and this is why. but i forgot this time. i'll never forget again until next time
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