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Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Corbyn's sat through more queen's speeches in person than most of this nation have ever feigned an interest in on Christmas Day.

Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Dec 5, 2019

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Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
https://twitter.com/fernville/status/1202295802699427847

quote:

Andrew Smith is an 80-year-old former NUM activist who worked at the Mainsforth and Ferryhill pits. He now volunteers at Spennymoor’s mining museum, sometimes assisted byErnie Foster, 81, who was also active in the union. The small museum is an affecting cornucopia of mining memorabilia: there are banners of course, but also detonators, cables and a trophy awarded at the Spennymoor gala pit pony competition in 1956.

Smith views the forthcoming election, and the fraying of loyalty to Labour, with sadness and trepidation. “It makes you angry,” he says. “It makes you frustrated that people who have gone through the times that you went through, are thinking like this. It’s not just the young. It takes a lot to get through to people; to explain what the real problems are. The media don’t help with their bias; people say they don’t like Corbyn. But when you ask them they don’t really know why.”

A December election is not ideal for octogenarian activists: “We’d like to get out leafleting for Labour,” says Smith. “But we’re getting on now.” Foster chips in: “The main thing is that we can’t have that lot in round here – the Tories. That can’t be allowed.”
Both :smith: and :unsmith: at once.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
I have a favour to ask of T H E H I V E M I N D, I've been googling but I can't seem to find a copy of the cartoon reposted by Neale Hanvey that got him suspended by the SNP for antisemitism, it's supposed to be a George Soros Puppetmaster cartoon, if anyone kens how to find it I'd be grateful, would come in handy having the original.

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral

Coohoolin posted:

I have a favour to ask of T H E H I V E M I N D, I've been googling but I can't seem to find a copy of the cartoon reposted by Neale Hanvey that got him suspended by the SNP for antisemitism, it's supposed to be a George Soros Puppetmaster cartoon, if anyone kens how to find it I'd be grateful, would come in handy having the original.
In his apology he said it was an article in Sputnik from more than two years ago that included the cartoon, so google suggests it was probably this: https://sputniknews.com/world/201608151044266398-soros-dcleaks-russian-hacker-hillary/

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
^^^
[e]: Or that one. Probably more likely. Though gently caress me it's bad there's mutiple version of this poo poo.

Coohoolin posted:

I have a favour to ask of T H E H I V E M I N D, I've been googling but I can't seem to find a copy of the cartoon reposted by Neale Hanvey that got him suspended by the SNP for antisemitism, it's supposed to be a George Soros Puppetmaster cartoon, if anyone kens how to find it I'd be grateful, would come in handy having the original.

Google says it was from Sputnik News - looks like it was done by shitstain Ben Garrison:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1148577727416537089/photo/1
There isn't a YIKES big enough.

Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Dec 5, 2019

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Antisemitismception.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
poo poo, neither of those match the one I saw floating on FB, if anyone could confirm the image in question that would be great

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


Is that from when she won the last election?

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uks-corbyn-politician-of-choice-for-anti-semites-claims-report/

Gotta love this poo poo, the "Campaign Against Anti-Semitism" has a "study" (which they conveniently started when Corbyn became party leader) where they say that 60% of the far-left holds "one or more antisemitic view" which they stress is actually WORSE than the far right (Nazis you're off the hook). Well what do they consider to be these "antisemitic views?"

quote:

Among those who consider themselves to be “very left-wing,” 42% believe that Israel’s supporters in the UK are damaging British democracy. Sixty percent agreed that Israel “treats the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews” and three in 10 disagreed that the Jewish state is “right to defend itself against those who want to destroy it.”

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral

Chuka Umana posted:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/uks-corbyn-politician-of-choice-for-anti-semites-claims-report/

Gotta love this poo poo, the "Campaign Against Anti-Semitism" has a "study" (which they conveniently started when Corbyn became party leader) where they say that 60% of the far-left holds "one or more antisemitic view" which they stress is actually WORSE than the far right (Nazis you're off the hook). Well what do they consider to be these "antisemitic views?"
March 2018:


Feb 2018:
https://twitter.com/GideonFalter/status/961673557506916357
Big ol' thunky face.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



"Do you think Israel shouldn't do genocide?"

"Yes"

"Wow, more far-left antisemitism!"

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo
“Maybe Israeli politicians shouldn’t let Priti Patel abuse her ministerial position to lobby for UK funding of Israel’s hospital for Al-Nusra jihadists in the Golan Heights. They’re damaging British democracy.”

“Wow the left trafficking in antisemitism once again.”

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Braggart posted:

Oh and military strategists have been jacking off over Hannibal's greatest victory for over 2,000 years and trying to recreate it themselves. The Schlieffen Plan was apparently based on Cannae but, like, WTF? How do you base a Europe-wide strategy on the tactics used in a single battle? Ms Adequate assures me that strategy and tactics are not the same thing ;)

Nah, the Schlieffen Plan was largely based on what had gone over quite well for the Prussian staff during the Franco-Prussian war.

There are cosmetic similarities in that (as someone pointed out) pinning the enemy centre, outflanking them, kettling them, and then destroying them is like the platonic ideal of a military operation. But there is no philosophical or ideological link between the two any more than there is between Cannae and Desert Storm. And as you rightly point out, Cannae was a tactical affair, while Schlieffen's plans (there's more than one, none of which are the deployment plan actually exercised in 1914) revolve around how to position Germany's forces at a strategic level.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



PittTheElder posted:

Nah, the Schlieffen Plan was largely based on what had gone over quite well for the Prussian staff during the Franco-Prussian war.

There are cosmetic similarities in that (as someone pointed out) pinning the enemy centre, outflanking them, kettling them, and then destroying them is like the platonic ideal of a military operation. But there is no philosophical or ideological link between the two any more than there is between Cannae and Desert Storm. And as you rightly point out, Cannae was a tactical affair, while Schlieffen's plans (there's more than one, none of which are the deployment plan actually exercised in 1914) revolve around how to position Germany's forces at a strategic level.

Haha sorry Braggart, I missed that post - yeah PittTheElder has it summed up here. It's not at all uncommon for a Western military leader to yearn for the "perfect Cannae", which is rightly or wrongly held up as the acme of military victories (Notwithstanding Sun Tzu's admonitions re: acme of victory), and someone may either express their desire for a plan of that quality or trying to sell a plan they have as being of that quality. Actually attempting a 'strategic Cannae' would be quite a thing. I suppose you could argue that things like the last German offensive around Kurks constituted such, but I'd argue even on that scale it was an operational-scale business rather than a strategic one.

side_burned
Nov 3, 2004

My mother is a fish.

I am now convinced it is time to bring back guillotines. Do any of the British goons object if we start with you media class?

side_burned fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Dec 5, 2019

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Shogi posted:

I made the mistake of checking in on Brainworms are Free. Current hot takes from the Graun’s readership:
-I’m never voting Labour again, and I can’t stop crying thinking about the Tory governments I’ll vote in;
-Why do Labour canvassers leave after I tell them I won’t be voting Labour? DEBATE ME YOU COWARDS;
-How dare people try to make me feel hope. Leave me to my misery, stop pretending you ‘care’;
-<weird one-handed fanfic about young people being physically sick with anguish on Dec 13>.

I don’t know why I do this to myself. It’s worse than footy message boards. It’s probably worse than youtube comments

For a palate cleanser, there's a piece defending the massive strike that starts today in France. It's refreshing to see an opinion column on the subject that isn't condescending neoliberal bullshit.

Exioce
Sep 7, 2003

by VideoGames

Tesseraction posted:

aren't you that cuntish landlord

No, not a landlord.

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;
There’s also a good piece on the French domestic fair trade movement, paying €4 more a year for milk on average per person was enough to go from poverty supplier settlements to allowing farmers to actually live.

Nestle are getting involved though so it’ll get subverted soon.

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

PittTheElder posted:

Nah, the Schlieffen Plan was largely based on what had gone over quite well for the Prussian staff during the Franco-Prussian war.

There are cosmetic similarities in that (as someone pointed out) pinning the enemy centre, outflanking them, kettling them, and then destroying them is like the platonic ideal of a military operation. But there is no philosophical or ideological link between the two any more than there is between Cannae and Desert Storm. And as you rightly point out, Cannae was a tactical affair, while Schlieffen's plans (there's more than one, none of which are the deployment plan actually exercised in 1914) revolve around how to position Germany's forces at a strategic level.

Ms Adequate posted:

Haha sorry Braggart, I missed that post - yeah PittTheElder has it summed up here. It's not at all uncommon for a Western military leader to yearn for the "perfect Cannae", which is rightly or wrongly held up as the acme of military victories (Notwithstanding Sun Tzu's admonitions re: acme of victory), and someone may either express their desire for a plan of that quality or trying to sell a plan they have as being of that quality. Actually attempting a 'strategic Cannae' would be quite a thing. I suppose you could argue that things like the last German offensive around Kurks constituted such, but I'd argue even on that scale it was an operational-scale business rather than a strategic one.

Thank you both for the interesting posts :)

Ms Adequate's points are what I meant by "jacking off", and it seems like this vaguely remembered comparison between Cannae and the Schlieffen Plan was probably made by some jackoff who understood neither. I swear I've seen that take in the wild! :D

Warfare in the gunpowder age is very much not my area. As far as I'm concerned, guns ruined everything once they stopped being terrible. It's entirely a personal opinion, but I just find tactics far more interesting in the days before guns took the centre stage. I'm perfectly fine with plate armoured cavalry with miniature cannons bolted to themselves though, because that's hilarious :D

And as for:

Ms Adequate posted:

which is rightly or wrongly held up as the acme of military victories (Notwithstanding Sun Tzu's admonitions re: acme of victory)

Cum Tzu's acne of victory :awesome:

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT


oh hey it's that pollster pissflaps always used to post

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

If you were going to pick two papers to absolutely melt the gently caress down over this, it would be these two

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Shogi posted:

Does literally anyone give a poo poo about this? I dont think I know anyone who ‘sits down to watch the queens speech as a family’

My mum always attempts to watch the queen's speech but we are very good at distracting her with booze until it is over.

She votes labour though.

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Jel Shaker posted:

Is that from when she won the last election?

Nah, she held on for quite a while after that. The picture is from when she finally resigned and let Boris play with her toys.

The elements of the Tory party who wanted her gone the most rolled the dice too early on an internal confidence motion, and the Tory party's own rules meant that she was immune from further attempts for a year. As a matter of fact, May's period of immunity is still not over - it continues until December 12, when Bozza's period of immunity will also end :D

The party's bigwigs responded to this setback by whining to her husband to convince her to step down, and when that didn't work they threatened to do some more whining. They also mooted the idea of changing the rules because they hosed up, which you may also remember the Labour Right writing fanfiction about in a different context ;)

Well done ERG, led by the extremely smart and capable Jacob Rees-Mogg :D

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
One week out and I'm bricking it lads

Not sure if I can bring myself to take a mental health break but I know I should. There's literally nothing more I can do until polling day

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Maugrim posted:

One week out and I'm bricking it lads

Not sure if I can bring myself to take a mental health break but I know I should. There's literally nothing more I can do until polling day

Then take that break comrade!

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Tesseraction posted:

Honestly if Labour don't win next week (or get a decent enough number in a hung parliament) then I'll probably just give up on socialism being achieved in the UK democratically.

That's not me saying I'm going guerrilla because trust me I'm too out of shape to say nothing of the hassle of living on the lam in a country of selfish cunts. I just cannot accept that our hell country will see a change of government ideology outside of the election this week coming.

Yeah same

Plank Sanction
Nov 3, 2016

Who invented the skip?

Spangly A posted:

I dont want to shitstir until after we win but in 8 days Im going to loving melt down at this

I came home to one of these yesterday and I'm absolutely livid.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Maugrim posted:

One week out and I'm bricking it lads

Not sure if I can bring myself to take a mental health break but I know I should. There's literally nothing more I can do until polling day

Yeah also same

Although I'm gonna go canvassing in plymouth and brizzle
To soothe the anxiety at least just a little

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Maugrim posted:

One week out and I'm bricking it lads

Not sure if I can bring myself to take a mental health break but I know I should. There's literally nothing more I can do until polling day

Braggart posted:

We are all going to need a break after the election. Please take the time you need.

Maybe you’ll be hung over. Maybe you’ll be crying out of joy or sorrow or a mix of both. You may well be burned out from all of this. I know I will be.


And if you need a break before the election, please take it. There is no shame in taking care of yourself :glomp:


I know quoting yourself is gauche, but as a member of the Hard Left, how can I be anything but gauche?


Take care of yourselves, friends. You all rock! :)

Ikwaylx
Aug 19, 2011

Drop the bandibass!

Maugrim posted:

One week out and I'm bricking it lads

Not sure if I can bring myself to take a mental health break but I know I should. There's literally nothing more I can do until polling day
Me too, I'm seriously nervous. 2017 was such a huge swing for us, I really hope we can do it again but it seems like we're in a similar position where people have polarised to labour/conservative.

I know that all polls are meaningless, but I can't help but feel a pit in my stomach over the lack of movement in them. We need to beat the Tories, I only hope they've seriously underestimated the youth vote again.

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 7, 2008

Enjoy your tea...

Keep in mind though that the Conservative voter base is quite literally dying off, and last time the Tories literally cannibalised nearly the entire UKIP voter base.

They have nowhere else to go.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets
I see the thread is having a collective downer - which is understandable, the polls and the media are doing their job.

They may be right, a Tory victory and five years of Boris may be inevenatable. But we're humans, humans have survived much worse than this and prospered. 5 more years of the tories will suck, and yes, more vunrable people will die, but its not a call to give up - it just means we have to fight harder - in five years there will be less boomers and more zoomers. people will be even sicker of the Tories.
Thats if they even last five years. People were resigned to 5 years of tories in 2015, then again in 2017. Thing change.

Plus this one is not over, the feel on the streets is for labour, so we can worry about the tories if they win.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

They have tapped out their voter base, I think. It's whether it's enough.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Lord Ludikrous posted:

Keep in mind though that the Conservative voter base is quite literally dying off, and last time the Tories literally cannibalised nearly the entire UKIP voter base.

They have nowhere else to go.

So many people will die between now and 2024 though. The tories are probably doomed, but it's going to be catastrophic in the meantime

Edit this isn't very helpful for thread morale, I'm gonna stop doom posting now and go for a run

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Barry Foster posted:

Yeah also same

Although I'm gonna go canvassing in plymouth and brizzle
To soothe the anxiety at least just a little

Give a shout when you're doing bristol and we might be able to goonmeet it.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Barry Foster posted:

So many people will die between now and 2024 though. The tories are probably doomed, but it's going to be catastrophic in the meantime

We will be well on the way to, if not already at, full fascism by that point. We're giving the people the choice between socialism and barbarism and they're loving hurling themselves at barbarism because otherwise they might have to pay a little bit more tax.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

namesake posted:

Give a shout when you're doing bristol and we might be able to goonmeet it.

Yeah! It'll be next week, possibly Tuesday afternoon/evening and maybe Wednesday day time

Rarity, you in? Other bristol goons I've forgotten the names of? Wanna come join the electoral goon voltron?

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

goddamnedtwisto posted:

We will be well on the way to, if not already at, full fascism by that point. We're giving the people the choice between socialism and barbarism and they're loving hurling themselves at barbarism because otherwise they might have to pay a little bit more tax.

I do buy the argument that the people doing that are dying off tho

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Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




You all need to chill out, it's going to be fine. Things were similarly doom-laden in 2017 a week out from the election.

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