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Megillah Gorilla posted:It's not exactly politics, but yet another Kpop idol has committed suicide. You gotta love the fans who don’t seem to suspect anything more sinister than cyber-bullying is going on in an industry that produces poo poo like the Burning Sun club in Gangnam where there’s supposedly been women drugged and raped, all under the protection of a compromised police force. There’s tons of exploitation and rumor-mongering in the west too of course but stuff like grown women not being allowed to date by their companies or whatever kinda beggars belief for me sometimes.
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Why people still believe that's a widespread thing is bizarre to me. Any Kpop gossip site will happily dish to you about who's been dating who. It's also very opposite of reality when it comes to Goo Hara because the main source of her depression was a dirtbag ex-boyfriend who was threatening to revenge porn her and remained unrepentant even as he got off with a fairly light sentence. If you want to go all-in on Kpop truthing Sulli is the more logical place to look. Outspoken feminist, busy work schedule, no change in behavior leading up to her death, no note, and the police never actually released a cause of death, they just ruled out external force. And if something else was going on there it just became a lot less likely that we'll ever find about it since from the looks of it Goo Hara had been recovering since her last attempt and Sulli's death sent her into a relapse.
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Nov 25, 2019 13:44
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My guess is it's more common in the Japanese idol industry and people are just lazily equating the two. Also racism/orientalism, the inscrutable Asiatic can't be sexist in the same boring way that white countries are, just maybe marginally worse in degree, they must be a special, inscrutable, unique kind of sexism where the women aren't allowed to date ever, and how weird is that?
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Nov 26, 2019 07:26
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I mean there are total problems with our countries mental healthcare, education system and other reasons why suicide rates are so drat high in this country. No need to make up reasons. Korea idol culture opened up once a famous dude was like "yes I'm dating someone, I'm in my 30s I need to marry" in a controversy way back and people kinda accepted it. Thats the point a lot of dating stuff changed in Korean idol stuff. It's still hella toxic as hell for other reasons but lets keep it to facts.
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Nov 26, 2019 07:47
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https://twitter.com/OliverHotham/status/1202002059907567618 https://twitter.com/nknewsorg/status/1202011787970768896 Satellite launch is probably coming. Can't wait until all the experts tell us that this a sign of the end
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Dec 4, 2019 02:15
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who are the 2 women following him? Major wife and minor wife?
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whatever7 posted:who are the 2 women following him? Major wife and minor wife?
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https://twitter.com/soompi/status/1201781454407028736?s=19 Another K-Pop has been found dead.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/soompi/status/1201781454407028736?s=19 At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to learn there’s a K-pop prostitution ring going on for the ultra rich and all these dead stars threatened go public.
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Dec 5, 2019 12:27
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I wish I could say I'm disappointed that my post linking an article that describes an actual honest to God international prostitution ring whose existence is very well documented was ignored in favor of a K-pop conspiracy theory. But let's face it. My expectations aren't that high.
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Some Guy TT posted:I wish I could say I'm disappointed that my post linking an article that describes an actual honest to God international prostitution ring whose existence is very well documented was ignored in favor of a K-pop conspiracy theory. But let's face it. My expectations aren't that high. In my defence I don't read the Korean thread daily! This article is galling. When I first saw the tweets I was curious about something the article then clarifies: quote:Like Choi, many of the Koreans who seek justice for camp-town sex workers refer to them as “comfort women”—an especially charged designation. Because this is exactly what it felt like to me. Jesus.
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Dec 5, 2019 15:05
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quote:Like Choi, many of the Koreans who seek justice for camp-town sex workers refer to them as “comfort women”—an especially charged designation. mystes fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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Dec 5, 2019 15:23
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One of the more intriguing anti comfort women arguments I've heard from Japanese right-wingers is that wartime brothels aren't all that usual, with the main go-to example being the ones used in the Vietnam War. They tend to be completely oblivious to the fact that acknowledging these brothels existed at all just makes Americans look worse rather than the Japanese look better. American defenses tend to be equally unimpressive, for the most part using the same line mentioned in the article about how since the prostitutes were acquired privately and the brothels were run by local persons not directly affiliated with the American government this removed American culpability for the abuse women inevitably suffered there.
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Dec 5, 2019 15:39
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Some Guy TT posted:since the prostitutes were acquired privately and the brothels were run by local persons not directly affiliated with the American government this removed American culpability for the abuse
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Dec 5, 2019 15:45
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That's the exact same excuse people use in Japan, lol.
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Dec 5, 2019 16:06
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Some Guy TT posted:the main go-to example being the ones used in the Vietnam War. Maybe Roy Moore's quixotic campaign in 2017 has skewed my memory but wasn't that a time when child prostitution was considered perfectly normal for troops to engage with?
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https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1202700596677091328
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No worries, the situation is under control: quote:After seeing a satellite image showing that Seoul — South Korea’s capital, home to 10 million inhabitants — sits just 15 miles south of the country’s heavily militarized border with the North, Trump asked, “Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border?” although on the other hand, https://twitter.com/joshjonsmith/status/1202578842424107008
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Dec 6, 2019 00:39
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Neither North Korea or Trump are going to go to war. Especially when South Korea and Japan are totally against it.
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Dec 6, 2019 01:28
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Seoul being in an outrageously impossible to defend position has actually been an issue for as long as anyone can remember. Usually when people talk about moving it they're referring to the administrative capabilities or at least the military stuff. The Yongsan military base in particular, in addition to being a crime-attracting eyesore, effectively used all of Seoul as a giant human shield. Whether this is what Trump meant, I don't know. I'm leaning toward the joke interpretation. But this is a really weird example to use of Trump so crazy given that military policy during the Trump administration with regard to deemphasizing Yongsan is perfectly consistent with the idea that keeping military junk in Seoul is a bad idea.
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Willo567 posted:Neither North Korea or Trump are going to go to war. agreed. but i feel like North korea will probably try another long range test or hell maybe an actual detonation test to see what he does.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:13
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Every time they do one of these tests it means the MilInt crew in SK have to come in even on days off - there's one such goon who has had July 4 and Thanksgiving ruined by these tests, and is 100% expecting Christmas to be cancelled next. He says it's absolutely NK doing it to piss off the US forces deployed, to 'punish' them for being on the peninsula.
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Some Guy TT posted:Seoul being in an outrageously impossible to defend position has actually been an issue for as long as anyone can remember. Usually when people talk about moving it they're referring to the administrative capabilities or at least the military stuff. The Yongsan military base in particular, in addition to being a crime-attracting eyesore, effectively used all of Seoul as a giant human shield. It's not an outrageously impossible to defend position, though. If you mean preventing the North from warcriming it up with artillery to murder a bunch of civilians then that's fair, but from a military standpoint Seoul is an extremely defensible position for the South Korean military against the North Korean military. Urban areas are pretty tough nuts to crack even with a shitload of artillery and modern air support, particularly if they've got underground transportation and bunker systems. Seoul is also going to be a target whether or not it contains military bases. It has too many people, too much economic significance and resources to be captured, and is too central to transportation in the region to not attack immediately. The short distance from the border actually makes the position of the Yongsan garrison pretty important because it guarantees the South a military presence to hold the city - at least long enough for a civilian evacuation to take place. Putting it on the outskirts of the city on the North side would put it too close to the border and putting it on any other side of the city would prevent South Korean troops from moving into the city due to the mass exodus of people evacuating. Don't worry, though! Even North Korea's antiquated artillery systems are plenty accurate to shell the base without hitting the civilian areas around it if they want to limit civilian casualties.
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So I agree a major city is actually pretty defencible. Urban combat is no joke, depletes resources, and even if the ROK military withdrew and made it a free city (Is that still a thing?), the North would have a difficult time and would need considerable resources just to garrison it themselves. That's before if there's any kind of guerrilla insurgency happening. I'm not really sure what counts as "new" for artillery though. Once you have a good gun barrel you're just upgrading firing computers and such. Like the US themselves let their artillery atrophy a lot during operation bomb useless dirt and most importantly the need to keep systems light weight enough to be deployable via aircraft or sealift means DPRK artillery may significantly outrange US artillery and launch much heavier and thus more deadly payloads regardless if most of the systems date to the 1970's or 1980's.
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Raenir Salazar posted:So I agree a major city is actually pretty defencible. Urban combat is no joke, depletes resources, and even if the ROK military withdrew and made it a free city (Is that still a thing?), the North would have a difficult time and would need considerable resources just to garrison it themselves. That's before if there's any kind of guerrilla insurgency happening. "New" artillery can mean a lot of things. First, the physical condition of the guns - a bit of warping metal or corrosion in the barrel or aiming mechanisms and the guns aren't shooting as straight which has an impact on accuracy. Second, the precision of the aiming mechanisms and fire control system are big factors. With rockets you have the issues of decay of the rocket motors leading to inconsistency (or big explosions on the wrong side of the ballistic arc), corrosion of the surface changing the aerodynamics, and the guidance packages. In general the newer stuff can be more accurate/faster firing/faster to respond/faster to move afterwards. The vast, vast majority of the DPRK's arsenal is old soviet and soviet-copy 152mm and 120mm guns. The 152mm guns are equitable to the (short) 155mm guns in use by the US military and the older M109's South Korea has. What you are probably thinking about are the big 170-180mm Koksan guns, the S-23 copies, and maybe the brand new long 152mm gun - but those make up a fraction of the North's artillery. In contrast the South actually has one of the most modern artillery systems in the world with the K9 (long barreled 155mm SPG - similar to the systems the US keeps developing then cancelling), which has a pretty drat long range and they actually have a ton of them in service. Not that this matters especially, though, because the North, South, and the US all have bunches of rocket artillery with enough range to make range not an issue on the Korean peninsula even without considering aircraft. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Again, also, none of this actually matters considering North Korea now has higher yield nuclear weapons possibly with intermediate sea launched second strike capability.. It is never going to get to the point where North Korea has to garrison Seoul, likewise the world would already be ash before Soviet tanks made it past the Fulda gap. Anyway, the North clearly is more interested in getting economic concessions than anything else nowadays.
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Ardennes posted:Again, also, none of this actually matters considering North Korea now has higher yield nuclear weapons possibly with intermediate sea launched second strike capability.. Right, it doesn't really matter because currently the North isn't going to start a big shooting war with the (pretty drat strong) South and their allies. They have no reason to do this because it really doesn't play into their goals of preserving their regime or increasing the wealth and comfort of the ruling class. The military presence in Seoul, the US troops on the peninsula, and the North Korean nukes all primarily act as a deterrence and have been that way for quite some time.
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I find it really odd how you keep writing in the present tense, as if Yongsan garrison has not been in a multi-year stage of being decomissioned, which would seem to imply that the American military has a much lower opinion of its usefulness than you do.
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Some Guy TT posted:I find it really odd how you keep writing in the present tense, as if Yongsan garrison has not been in a multi-year stage of being decomissioned, which would seem to imply that the American military has a much lower opinion of its usefulness than you do. Okay but what's your point though? There was a lot of words between our two posts, what are you responding to and how does it support your conclusion?
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I assume that the military presence in Seoul is diminishing, and so you can't really point to that as strong defences.
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I think if someone's opinion is that decomissioning the Yongsan military base is a mistake and the United States should buy it back and rearm the garrison they should just come out and say that instead of acting as if the decomissioning isn't happening because having a military base in the middle of Seoul is such an obviously good idea.
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hosed up if true. Is this something the general populous is aware of? And to what degree does the Korean government / people deny / affirm these things?
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Some Guy TT posted:I think if someone's opinion is that decomissioning the Yongsan military base is a mistake and the United States should buy it back and rearm the garrison they should just come out and say that instead of acting as if the decomissioning isn't happening because having a military base in the middle of Seoul is such an obviously good idea. What does this have to do with you trying to say Seoul was indefensible and Yongsan "used all of Seoul as a giant human shield"? You do understand there are still going to be military bases in Seoul after Yongsan gets re-developed, right? They aren't closing Yongsan because they decided military bases in Seoul were a bad idea or whatever you're going on about.
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Shadow0 posted:Is this something the general populous is aware of? And to what degree does the Korean government / people deny / affirm these things? The article says it wasn't well known, which I believe, because it was from an era where the government was disappearing and murdering people for speaking up about lesser things. It's a legacy of South Korea being an impoverished nation that was led by a succession of brutal, fascist dictatorships and juntas that relied on the US government for legitimacy and protection from North Korea. The system they implemented for servicemen seems very similar to the comfort women brothel system the Japanese developed during the Second Sino-Japanese War/WWII for the same reasons. Park Chung-hee was an officer in the Kwantung Army so I'm sure that played a part in it too. He was very much about repurposing Japanese fascism and imperial institutions to Korea. Not that every South Korean male has to deal with it but the RoK military seems like it's constantly having scandals involving young soldiers being dumb and tyrannical officers. When I was there about 5 or so years ago, the big story locally was a scandal involving officers making the wives of lower ranking soldiers sleep with them. Just briefly looking around I found this article from a few years ago. https://www.stripes.com/news/scandal-prompts-s-korea-to-stop-soldiers-from-working-in-leaders-homes-1.486663
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Warbadger posted:What does this have to do with you trying to say Seoul was indefensible and Yongsan "used all of Seoul as a giant human shield"? You do understand there are still going to be military bases in Seoul after Yongsan gets re-developed, right? They aren't closing Yongsan because they decided military bases in Seoul were a bad idea or whatever you're going on about. Uh, no there won't be. Yongsan is the only military base in Seoul. Please spare us whatever weird technical pedantry you're going to use to argue as to the definition of military, base, or Seoul, to somehow twist your statement into something vaguely approaching reality. Shadow0 posted:Is this something the general populous is aware of? And to what degree does the Korean government / people deny / affirm these things? The far left and that's about it. No one denies this is a thing that happens. Comfort women really is the on-point comparison, it's straight up just pretending that the life of a prostitute isn't so bad and if it is, they probably deserved it.
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Report: North Korea economy developing dramatically despite sanctions quote:North Korea has promoted the domestic production of goods, the report noted, citing a large increase in the variety of items on display at trade shows and for sale in supermarkets and department stores. The number of markets, first allowed in 2003, has grown from about 200 nationwide in 2010 to 500 in 2019. Over 98 percent of North Koreans now own a television and nearly a quarter have a mobile phone, the report said.
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https://twitter.com/martyn_williams/status/1203032024929337345?p=vquote:The defector’s brother is also thought to be in a political prison camp in North Korea because of the two DIC officers. They connected the North Korean defector to her younger brother in the North via phone, and asked him to give them information in return. The brother is said to have been locked up for spying. Interesting implication here that simply having a family member who left the country isn't actually enough to get you locked up in North Korea.
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Some Guy TT posted:Uh, no there won't be. Yongsan is the only military base in Seoul. Please spare us whatever weird technical pedantry you're going to use to argue as to the definition of military, base, or Seoul, to somehow twist your statement into something vaguely approaching reality. Haha, you are just so precious. Aside from the aptly named Seoul Air Base you have a ring of ROK Army bases located inside and right at the edges of the metropolitan area. These are mostly areas generally considered to be (and functionally are) Seoul, even if they are technically just outside that line.
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A couple of posts ago you were arguing that military installations on the outskirts were completely useless for defending a city in urban combat.
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