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Djarum posted:Nadler is a disaster. I'm pretty sure this is why Schiff had the opportunity to do impeachment inquiries at all-- Nadler has been consistently biffing it for the entire span and breadth of the Trump administration. If there's anywhere in the chain that this whole process is going to stall out and not make it out of the House, it's in the hands of Jerrold Nadler.
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How many more hearings do they need? They should just draft the articles and move it forward. It's not like you're gonna get more cooperation and Republicans have proved they will bitch about the process and then move goal posts when the Democrats do anything new. Absent a completely shocking smoking gun, the public isn't going to be swayed. The goal shouldn't be to actually remove the president at this point, but rather tie Trump to the lot of em and let it get sorted out in 2020
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oxsnard posted:How many more hearings do they need? If they intend to attempt to get testimony from witnesses fighting subpoenas, wait. Otherwise, move on.
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Dec 5, 2019 02:44
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I don’t understand why they don’t bring all the defied subpoenas to court like Don McGann
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Josh Lyman posted:I don’t understand why they don’t bring all the defied subpoenas to court like Don McGann Because they don't have time. Every ruling will take several months, each of those will be appealed, and appealed again up to the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter that the claims have no merit. The point is to stall and run out the clock. Trump is accused of subverting the democratic process, of using the power of his office to influence the election. Waiting until after the election he's actively trying to fix is a bad idea. Pooling all the defied subpoenas into an Obstruction of Congress charge is a better use of time.
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Deteriorata posted:Because they don't have time. Every ruling will take several months, each of those will be appealed, and appealed again up to the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter that the claims have no merit. The point is to stall and run out the clock. IMHO this is why somehow it needs to be recognized that legal fights taking forever enable people to commit high loving crimes at an astounding rate and maybe somehow the status quo should change so that really important poo poo like this can get escalated and judged in weeks not months. I don’t know how that happens without everyone turbofucking decorum and probably trampling on establish case law like “people need time to get their arguments in order”, but again it is a very real flaw that is being knowing exploited by the most powerful people in the government to do crimes, so maybe it warrants that type of solution
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Crazyweasel posted:IMHO this is why somehow it needs to be recognized that legal fights taking forever enable people to commit high loving crimes at an astounding rate and maybe somehow the status quo should change so that really important poo poo like this can get escalated and judged in weeks not months. look at what happened in South Korea in 2016. It was that inertia, through investigative reporting and relentless investigations, over a very short period that caused it all to collapse
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Crazyweasel posted:IMHO this is why somehow it needs to be recognized that legal fights taking forever enable people to commit high loving crimes at an astounding rate and maybe somehow the status quo should change so that really important poo poo like this can get escalated and judged in weeks not months. How do we take advantage of the simultaneous drastic underfunding of courts and the unbelievable right-wing stacking of the judiciary? I say when we have a Dem president (s)he just starts signing hundreds of executive orders a day, jamming up the circuit courts with suits and keeping the judiciary 8 years behind schedule Someone tell me if this is even remotely plausible
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Deteriorata posted:Because they don't have time. Every ruling will take several months, each of those will be appealed, and appealed again up to the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter that the claims have no merit. The point is to stall and run out the clock. They also smartly appear to be using the blanket orders to refuse to submit to house subpoenas as an obstruction of justice case. They don't have time to fight for the subpoenas, but including it as an obstruction article forces Republicans to either vote for impeachment or vote that forcing executive branch employees to ignore congressional subpoenas is not obstruction, which could very obviously be used against them in the future.
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Dec 5, 2019 04:41
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Remember when prominent republicans called a 13 year old Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog"?
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1glitch0 posted:Remember when prominent republicans called a 13 year old Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog"? i almost forgot
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oxsnard posted:How many more hearings do they need? thats sounds like whats about to happen. maybe one or two more and they will decide. than christmas time impeach and January trial.
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How many AF1 rides does Gaetz get for his groveling before Trump today?
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mcmagic posted:How many AF1 rides does Gaetz get for his groveling before Trump today? I'd honestly be shocked if Trump knew who half these guys are.
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Not a Children posted:How do we take advantage of the simultaneous drastic underfunding of courts and the unbelievable right-wing stacking of the judiciary? This actually happened in brazil and it caused horrible corruption and loss of faith in government because there was zero judicial redress for anything because it took years to get the courts to hear anything. It was very much not a solution.
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Pelosi just said "I'm asking the chairman to proceed with Articles of Impeachment."
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Pelosi just called on the house to begin articles
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The one way I see to reverse the conservative stacking is to question Trump’s relationship and the GOP subservience to Russia propaganda and suggest until it is investigated what interests they have ties to foreign power to repeal their appointments and policies, like how many are tied to NRA corruption. That includes Kavanaugh. Until it can be verified any of them are clean and also free of influence which can take a while and welp until then we’re going to have to replace them.
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sexpig by night posted:Pelosi just called on the house to begin articles So, impeachment goes to the senate sometime by end of 2020???
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Pollyanna posted:So, impeachment goes to the senate sometime by end of 2020??? They're aiming to vote before Christmas and the Senate is planning on having it done before February.
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Gatts posted:repeal their appointments Unfortunately the Constitution is very clear on this, it lays out specific and limited conditions under which lifetime appointments may be ended and the appointing president is not allowed to be a consideration. It's court packing at every level or nothing.
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Pollyanna posted:So, impeachment goes to the senate sometime by end of 2020??? Mitch pretty much blocked off all of January for the trial.
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Oh. Huh, I’m surprised it’s moving that fast once it actually got going. That makes, what, 6 months since hearing about the call to a recommendation of impeachment?
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Pollyanna posted:Oh. Huh, I’m surprised it’s moving that fast once it actually got going. That makes, what, 6 months since hearing about the call to a recommendation of impeachment? I think this story first broke in early September with "Someone blew the whistle on some mysterious thing Trump did."
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plus the president and his cronies keeping half the witnesses from testifying makes it go pretty fast
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Herstory Begins Now posted:This actually happened in brazil and it caused horrible corruption and loss of faith in government because there was zero judicial redress for anything because it took years to get the courts to hear anything. It was very much not a solution. Wouldn't it make sense to pass it out of the House with obstruction in order to permit the Senate to call additional witness? It seems they lack subpoena power, but that doesn't seem to matter here. Nothing prevents silent witnesses from deciding to come forward voluntarily, right?
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ReidRansom posted:Also I'm pretty sure there's still talk of perjury in his written answers to Mueller. only obstruction of Mueller is still in play, from all reporting I am aware of I think what you're talking about is what they'd like to consider if they could actually get McGahn to testify in a timely fashion -- but there's like a 99% chance that isn't happening now
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Thom12255 posted:They're aiming to vote before Christmas and the Senate is planning on having it done before February.
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FilthyImp posted:Anyone else kind of dispirited that Pelosi and the Dem leadership basically are speedrunning this because they know there's no hope in the Senate? That's not the only reason. Getting it done before the election he's trying to subvert matters, too. It's moving slower than the Clinton impeachment, anyway.
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Deteriorata posted:Getting it done before the election he's trying to subvert matters, too. Just remembered how funny it was that, when the GOP was going over "WAS THIS IMPEACHABLE" they conveniently left off when Reagan knew about Iran-Contra...
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I assume he must have some dirt on other Fox News people to be able to say this on air and not lose his job
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Y'all might be being a bit harsh on Nadler. I know he's no Schiff, but Schiff did have to tamp down some bullshit the first couple days of the hearings, too. Remember how they demanded he step down first thing, first day?
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Nadler is a non factor at this point. We have one or two more hearings and then a vote on moving articles to the floor
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actionjackson posted:I assume he must have some dirt on other Fox News people to be able to say this on air and not lose his job Shepard Smith entrusted his insurance repository to Napolitano on the way out the door
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Would Emoluments ever be in play? There is no way we ever get the general public to give a poo poo about emoluments
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theflyingorc posted:There is no way we ever get the general public to give a poo poo about emoluments involving a republican
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