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marktheando posted:Also there are like very very very few (are there any?) cases of cis male sex offenders pretending to be trans to get access to women's spaces compared to the lots of cases of trans people getting assaulted for using the 'wrong' changing room or toilet. As a tran I'm obviously biased so I may be wrong, but to my knowledge, the only people who have ever deliberately abused self-ID have been terfs trying to go "Look how easy it is!", usually right before they are welcomed with open arms by groups who don't judge a trans man who presents as a woman or whatever. Yes, there are trans people who do terrible things, but we don't do them because we are trans, and loving over trans people because of cis people being abusive seems, uh... e; in 1973 Skylab was launched, more proof of the inability of government to get things done. Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23J3yB5Mmjg The Guardian went around the north and no one is voting labour but lol at that guy who didn't know what a trade union was. Chuka Umana fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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I think I'm having a bit of a home-straight wobble  Dealing with my colleagues constantly re-melting to a Bristol 7 and deciding to vote sodding Green or whatever the gently caress. Traipsing round sprawling estates that stink of fear and suspicion and ingrown privilege. Talking to people that don't want to talk. It's addictive but it isn't always fun, is it?It's the patients and the nurses at my work keeping me halfway on track right now. There's a lot of hope invested in the Labour party today. Someone said, 'imagine having Corbyn as PM,' and instead of proceeding to the handwringing...smiled and said, 'someone that actually wants to help people'. It pisses me off so much that a thought like that should seem outlandish.
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Chuka Umana posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23J3yB5Mmjg the tories have destroyed people
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7 more sleeps. Remember to vote and not just post here all day.quote:As a tran I'm obviously biased so I may be wrong, but to my knowledge, the only people who have ever deliberately abused self-ID have been terfs trying to go "Look how easy it is!", usually right before they are welcomed with open arms by groups who don't judge a trans man who presents as a woman or whatever. I'm always sort of baffled by TERFs and the whole Gervais style transphobic attacks/humour, as in I can't really understand where they're coming from or why they think it's amusing (or sharing jokes to test the water like other cunts) - sooner all this poo poo ends the better. Even if you couldn't or didn't want to understand trans people, whenever has taking the piss of people based on their identity been alright in retrospect when people wake up.
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A million little fortresses, of fences, newspapers and thoughts. A million minds enclosed by moats of media. A million hearts full of fear, cringing and biting at everything near.
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I don’t follow British politics that much, but Labor is gonna win this upcoming election, right? How are things looking?
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Sexual Aluminum posted:I don’t follow British politics that much, but Labor is gonna win this upcoming election, right? How are things looking? Maybe Well they won't be the largest party but maybe Corbyn could be PM in a minority government
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Sexual Aluminum posted:I don’t follow British politics that much, but Labor is gonna win this upcoming election, right? How are things looking? 
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Sexual Aluminum posted:I don’t follow British politics that much, but Labor is gonna win this upcoming election, right? How are things looking? It's looking likely to be a hung parliament with no overall majority government, last time this happened the Lib Dems got in bed with the Conservatives starting the onslaught of diarrhoea we have today. It's also incredibly hard to tell, usually you can sense which way it's going to go - personally I think we will win by a decent amount with young voter engagement. This election has felt a lot more different than others in that the effect the internet and media have had on perceptions and messaging. The US elections next year is going to be like the Parallax View or summat.
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Sexual Aluminum posted:I don’t follow British politics that much, but Labor is gonna win this upcoming election, right? How are things looking? It was yesterday. We won
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Chuff McNothing posted:the tories have destroyed people Neoliberalism is literally the perfect ideology in the way the Alien from Alien was the perfect organism.
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Been feeling like crap for the past 6 weeks but I've taken the 12th off to help out. My nearest marginals are Enfield Southgate, Chipping Barnet and Chingford, which one should I go for? Southgate only went Labour for the first time at the last election, so its defensive rather than offensive, but it's also much lower profile than the other 2, so maybe they will be more in need? Chipping Barnet is apparently the most marginal constituency in London, but Chingford is IDS's seat, and I loving despise him.
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justcola posted:It's looking likely to be a hung parliament with no overall majority government, last time this happened the Lib Dems got in bed with the Conservatives starting the onslaught of diarrhoea we have today. Entirely anecdotal but there are people on my social media circles posting labour stuff who were either completely disengaged from politics or would never have been so open about their support. Its been a few very strange weeks.
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From canvassing I would say I think there is a core of labour support that doesn't go away, but there is also a chunk of people who want more blair/less diane abbot/more racism/less corbyn. They have, presumably, drifted away either to brexit, conservative, or not voting. They're also the kind to be home at 11 o clock in the morning on a tuesday. They have been replaced by younger voters who understand that what is offered is good and a step towards making their lives better. But they're also the kind who don't show up in polls and the press very well. We've had quite a few young volunteers, and all of them have been quite a lot like me politically. They've energy and hope and righteous anger. And presumably a cool couple million of them have registered since 2017. They're the future, the question is whether they're enough to win it for us now.
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Bundy posted:I know what you mean, I've been a big believer in "you don't remove others rights/freedoms to elevate those of others" (so you don't gently caress over LGBT to help women, you don't gently caress over black people to help LGBT etc etc) and this seems to be an argument aimed squarely at that. My instinctual response to that is "well a man could do that anyway and it'd be illegal and there's laws against that" or "well how do you deal with women assaulting other women in these places?" but then I run into how loving scared women in shelters must be and is smack in the middle of a time of trauma the time to be opening minds and dealing with bigotry? If a straight guy is a victim of rape where the perpetrator is a man and becomes virulently homophobic as a result (bad, but you could see why with our current stunted social view of sex and gender), then he should be welcomed at a men's survivor group, but absolutely shouldn't be allowed to demand 'no gays, because they're all rapist perverts' as a condition of attending that group. He could be placed in a subgroup to help him as long as it's not to the detriment of others using the service, but he shouldn't be able to make other people there uncomfortable, especially if they're people (like gay and bi men) who are a lot more likely to be a victim of rape or sexual assault. Same goes for trans women in women's groups. Trans women may be a minority of women, but locking people who are disproportionately likely to face abuse out of support groups is bad and makes for a lovely support group. (And also reduces the ability to share experiences and learn.) justcola posted:I'm always sort of baffled by TERFs and the whole Gervais style transphobic attacks/humour, as in I can't really understand where they're coming from or why they think it's amusing (or sharing jokes to test the water like other cunts) - sooner all this poo poo ends the better.
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Chuka Umana posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23J3yB5Mmjg Chuff McNothing posted:the tories have destroyed people You do realize that the way they make these things is by interviewing a lot of people and then only showing the answers that fit the narrative that's being pushed, right?
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It's going to come down to turnout. The olds are going to vote Tory. Younger voters Labour. It all comes down to how many of each group comes out on the day.
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And we'll be there to help get them out. Our volunteer rates have climbed over the weeks, a lot of effort has been reserved for the coming week.
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The. Swinzone. Whatever happens after the GE, I really cannot wait for the LibDem staff to leak live sieves about this shite campaign.
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an_mutt posted:https://twitter.com/SamTarry/status/1202670973713031168?s=20 I'm returning to my usual bleakness, but my god this election has had some glorious moments
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Wish I could get out and do more on the day. I'm not allowed to take annual leave in December. And just got assigned to sickness cover for a couple of elderly wards an hour's drive away on Dec 13. That'll be fun on no sleep! All my energy for the people driving and getting the vote out. I feel like that's gonna be even more important than usual this time.
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The swinzone is when you take jo swinson and fold her in half and then put her back in for a while to melt the two sides together.
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Cerebral Bore posted:You do realize that the way they make these things is by interviewing a lot of people and then only showing the answers that fit the narrative that's being pushed, right? You misunderstand. The tories have destroyed people. Every single person saying 'they're all the same' is a person destroyed by the tories.
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Be fair, blair did a lot of that as well.
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OwlFancier posted:Be fair, blair did a lot of that as well. a tory, you say
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I've just had to start a course of antibiotics that I'll be in the middle of during the lovely weather on the 12th, and I will drag my asthmatic rear end along to vote by staffy / sledge combo if I have to.
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kind of sick of hearing about the andrew neil interview now. i get it, he wussed out. get over it man jfc.
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Chuka Umana posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23J3yB5Mmjg I think that Labour have a positioning issue right now in that they've managed to gain recognition as the party of the downtrodden, but no-one save young people regularly self identifies as downtrodden. Men in particular hardly ever do. They realise they aren't minted but would never admit they're struggling. Lots of people who vote Labour do so for others, not themselves. All the result of capitalism and individualism eroding identities over decades. Love your neighbour, build community and more power to the unions imo.
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marktheando posted:Maybe  an_mutt posted:https://twitter.com/SamTarry/status/1202670973713031168?s=20 Actual Labour candidates using Reel Politik shitposting as agitprop is my personal favourite thing to happen so far this year
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Junior G-man posted:The. Swinzone. Bill O'Reilly: This is a No Swinzone, pal. Cut her mike.
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I bet the BBC gets a shitton of complaints about that Andrew Neil clip How dare he hold our man to account! Why isn't he focusing only on Corbyn!?!?!?
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I think I'd rather Boris didn't do the interview. "Boris is frit" is a better narrative than Boris actually doing it and it being pretty softball because Neil is a tory
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Who were the alternatives to Swinson for Lib Dem leadership? Was she the absolute best options? Shes like a less charismatic Liz Kendall.
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lol someone beat me to the Swinzone title change
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OwlFancier posted:What's the best counterargument to this btw?
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Qwertycoatl posted:I think I'd rather Boris didn't do the interview. "Boris is frit" is a better narrative than Boris actually doing it and it being pretty softball because Neil is a tory
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Random Integer posted:Who were the alternatives to Swinson for Lib Dem leadership? Was she the absolute best options? Shes like a less charismatic Liz Kendall. Ed Davey was the alternative, and by "alternative" I mean he's basically just as much of a Tory as she is
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