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volts5000 posted:gently caress! I've got this guy on another message board just listing all the examples of Corbyn antisemitism and asking that I address the substance of each incident. I tried to explain how charges like that are being used by anti-leftists to discredit them while providing cover for real antisemitism. I'm an American and I've been wrapped up too much in our primary. Anybody have a handy primer I can look at or am I barking up a wrong tree?
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volts5000 posted:gently caress! I've got this guy on another message board just listing all the examples of Corbyn antisemitism and asking that I address the substance of each incident. I tried to explain how charges like that are being used by anti-leftists to discredit them while providing cover for real antisemitism. I'm an American and I've been wrapped up too much in our primary. Anybody have a handy primer I can look at or am I barking up a wrong tree? "All the examples"?
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Dec 6, 2019 02:19
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Since this new police chief got elected and promised to get tough on crime, the arrest figures have almost doubled! I for one am shocked that there's so much crime under his tenure, shocked. Whatever he says, the high rate of people being arrested and tried for crimes just shows how he's fostering a safe environment for criminals to exist, and he should resign immediately so we can go back to how it was when the arrest rate was low and you could walk the streets at night. Not that you would, too many criminals.
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Dec 6, 2019 02:23
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Ah, the gish gallop in the wild!
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Dec 6, 2019 02:23
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The last week of the campaign is the most important as this is the time which most people decide who to vote for, so expect propaganda overdrive from the Tory press
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Dec 6, 2019 02:24
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ro5s posted:they're shook Jel Shaker posted:The last week of the campaign is the most important as this is the time which most people decide who to vote for, so expect propaganda overdrive from the Tory press
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Dec 6, 2019 02:29
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Necrothatcher posted:"All the examples"? Yeah. So far he's done: - Commented on a mural - Present at a wreath laying - Said "Epstein" with an extra shoosh - chakrabarti - Writing of foreword of Hobson's book - "Labour adopts ihra antisemitism definition in full" - 2013 Labour speech where he called out Zionists I think the fucker has them bookmarked and ready to whip out any time Corbyn's mentioned. I could argue that it's all performative bullshit and point to Corbyn's body of work and manifesto, but he'll just go back to "address the substance of the incidents!"
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Dec 6, 2019 02:31
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I hear that John McDonnell plans to take old coal power plants and refit them to run on burning landlords?
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volts5000 posted:Yeah. So far he's done: Then don't. Call out his Gish gallop for what is it, say he's grasping and straws maliciously, and link him that list of times he's defended Jews here. You're not convincing him, you're convincing any audience, so you say he's bullshiting, link the list, and leave. Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Dec 6, 2019 02:36
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volts5000 posted:Yeah. So far he's done: wish him all the best for when he loses his job and home and move on with your life.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Then don't. Call out his Gish gallop for what is it, say he's grasping and straws maliciously, and link him that list of times he's defended Jews here. You're not convincing him, you're convincing any audience, so you say he's bullshiting, link the list, and leave. Chuff McNothing posted:wish him all the best for when he loses his job and home and move on with your life. Link doesn't work, but I get the gist. Still working on walking into stupid debates with these people. Can't reach them all.
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volts5000 posted:Link doesn't work, but I get the gist. Still working on walking into stupid debates with these people. Can't reach them all. Here try this link instead. Think just changing edit to pub at the end works? If it's still not working and that's just my cache, here: 50 times Jeremy Corbyn took a stand to defend Jewish People and Jewish life in Britain. Jeremy attacked Holocaust deniers, and pressured the police to do more to tackle antisemitism. • Corbyn organises Apr 1977 defence of Jewish-populated Wood Green from a neo-Nazi march. • EDM 987, Corbyn campaigned to protect Jewish cemetery from sale to property developers. • EDM 3933, 7 Nov 1990: Corbyn denounced the rise of anti-Semitic publications. • EDM 356, 25 June 1992, Corbyn censures a Holocaust denier, warning antisemitism is on the rise • EDM 435, 6 July 1992, Corbyn slammed Rupert Murdoch for paying £83,000 for the Goebbels Diaries • EDM 706, 2 Nov. 1992, Corbyn is main sponsor on a motion condemning the National Front for insulting Holocaust victims by laying wreaths at the cenotaph • EDM 1474, 25 Feb. 1993, Jeremy signed a motion condemning rise of Nazism in Huntingdon • EDM 1364, 21 June 1994, Jeremy Corbyn expresses fear antisemitism is on the rise • EDM 1413, 29 June 1994, Corbyn signed a motion calling on the Director of Public Prosecutions to do more to tackle antisemitism • EDM 634, 11 April 2000: Corbyn denounces David Irving for being a Holocaust denier. • EDM 1124, 6 Nov 2000: Corbyn signs motion paying tribute to ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for saving the lives of Jewish children in World War II. • EDM 742, 28 Jan 2002: Corbyn praises football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Memorial Day. • EDM 1233, 30 April 2002: Corbyn is primary sponsor of a motion condemning antisemitic vandalism of Finsbury Park Synagogue • May 2002: Corbyn helps organise vigil for Finsbury Park Synagogue after antisemitic attack. • EDM 1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn denounces attack on a synagogue in Swansea. • EDM 123, 26 Nov 2003: Corbyn condemns attacks on two synagogues in Istanbul. • EDM 461, 21 January 2004: Corbyn signs motion condemning the French government’s moves to ban religious symbols—including the Jewish kippa—in French schools. • EDM 646, 23 February 2004: Corbyn lambasts the annual rise in antisemitic incidents. • EDM 717, 26 February 2004: Corbyn signs motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice. • EDM 1613, 8 September 2004: Corbyn co-sponsors motion expressing concern over the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme. • EDM 1699, 11 Oct 2004: Corbyn signs motion condemning arbitrary attacks on civilians in both Israel and Palestine. • EDM 343, 16 June 2005: Corbyn censures the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in West Ham. • EDM 1774, 8 Mar 2006: Corbyn signs motion condemning an Iranian newspaper for soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust. • EDM 1267, 16 Apr 2006: Corbyn signs motion condemning Bryan Ferry for antisemitic remarks. • EDM 2414, 26 June 2006: Corbyn signs motion praising British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust. • EDM 2705, 10 Oct 2006: Corbyn marks the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Cable Street. • EDM 271, 14 Nov 2007: Corbyn co-sponsors motion urging further efforts to address poverty and social exclusion in the Jewish community of East London. • EDM 1453, 12 May 2008: Corbyn salutes the memory of the Jewish heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. • EDM 2350, 27 Oct 2008: Corbyn marks the 70th anniversary of Kristallnacht. • EDM 605, 27 Jan 2009: Corbyn welcomes action against antisemitism on university campuses. • EDM 917, 26 Feb 2009: Corbyn signs motion condemning antisemitism on the internet. • EDM 1175, 24 March 2009: Corbyn pays tribute to British citizens who rescued Jewish people during the Holocaust. • EDM 2145 22 Oct. 2009 Corbyn condemns BBC for giving air time to ‘holocaust denying’ BNP • EDM 337, 2 December 2009: Corbyn signs motion condemning discrimination against minorities, including Jews, in Iran. • EDM 850, 9 February 2010: Corbyn calls for investigation into antisemitism on Facebook. • EDM 891, 22 February 2010: Corbyn urges UK Gov to re-settle Yemeni Jews in Britain. • EDM 908, 27 Oct 2010: Corbyn pays tribute to the late-Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. • EDM 1527, 3 Mar 2011: Corbyn condemns the antisemitic remarks of John Galliano. • EDM 2870, 14 Mar 2012: Corbyn condemns the sale of Nazi memorabilia in Bristol. • EDM 2866, 14 Mar 2012: Corbyn co-sponsors motion condemning antisemitism in Latvia. • EDM 2899, 20 Mar 2012: Corbyn condemns an attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse. • EDM 168, 12 June 2012: Corbyn denounces antisemitism in Polish & Ukrainian football • EDM 195, 13 June 2012: Corbyn co-sponsors motion calling on the BBC to reverse its decision to drop a Jewish community programme (‘Jewish Citizen Manchester’) from its schedule. • EDM 1133, 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn signs motion condemning antisemitism in sport. • 1 October 2013: Corbyn is one of the few MPs to publicly defend the late-Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism. • June 2015: Corbyn participates in ceremony to commemorate the founding of the North London Synagogue in Islington. • EDM 165, 22 June 2015: Corbyn denounces a neo-Nazi rally planned for Golders Green, where many Jews live, and calls for protection of local residents. • 25 June 2015: Corbyn is leads calls for counter-demonstration in defence of Jewish residents in Golders Green. The neo-Nazi march is re-routed. • 9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street. • 3 Dec 2016: Corbyn visits Terezín concentration camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
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HJB posted:
I wonder to what extent his television apology will shield them from any possible legal action.
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Shyrka posted:Here try this link instead. Think just changing edit to pub at the end works? That one worked. I linked it. Said I'm out. Now he sealioning me with "So you're not going to address the substance!" I've never been sealioned before. Thanks guys! Y'all are awesome!
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There are literal millions of people in the country who are undecided or who are unsure about their decision. It's far better to go and chat to one of those people than get drawn into a fight with some deadset Tory who's pretending to care about the way Corbyn pronounced the name "Epstein".
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Dec 6, 2019 03:16
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i do appreciate just "chakrabarti" one of the UKs greatest human rights activists and now shes just declared an anti-semite for Reasons reason: consorting with the dread corbyn
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Communist Thoughts posted:i do appreciate just "chakrabarti" I was copy/pasting as fast as I can but still trying to add context. When I got to that listing, I tried to figure out what to say. I got rushed and just cp'ed "chakrabati" hoping y'all would know the story.
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HJB posted:
Wow they must be shook af to be bringing out guns this big. e; Also I know he must have a will of iron but I really feel bad for Corbyn over this stuff. Spend your entire life trying to make the world better, fighting for the marginalized and oppressed, and absolute scum of the earth manage to create the narrative that you're the one who is bigoted and lusts for concentration camps. Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Ms Adequate posted:Wow they must be shook af to be bringing out guns this big. "You choose a thankless job. You can’t be upset when nobody thanks you. Don’t start chasing applause and acclaim. That way lies madness." - Ron Swanson
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HJB posted:
They are going all in on the lies. As an outside observer, what might be some of the better sites to check in terms of things like polling data?
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Nucleic Acids posted:They are going all in on the lies. Tea leaves are just as valid right now
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The entire reason for the red background - which will, amusingly, make it harder for the Torygraph's elderly readers to actually read the article - is to catch people's attention when they're in the shop. Maybe 1 extra person will buy the newspaper because they get confused and think it's The Mirror.
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Nucleic Acids posted:They are going all in on the lies. In 2017, the polling average showed the Tories 8 points ahead, and when you took out the two bizarre outliers that had Labour within a point or two, it was closer to a 10 point lead. As late as the day before the election, we had polls showing a 13 point Tory lead. In the end, the gap was 2 points. This time around with a week to go, the average is an 11 point Tory lead. The polling companies swear up and down that they learned their lesson last time around and this time the polls are more reflective, but then some of them have methodology that predicts a 14 point Tory victory with turnout of under-35s at 30%, when 2017 had under-35 turnout of 50%+ and a million more people in that age bracket have registered to vote this time around. None of the polling groups seem to be very responsive to questions about how they're calculating these figures. Maybe this time the pollsters have genuinely cracked the methodology secret and we're careening to doom under a Johnson mega-majority, maybe they're loving it up worse last time and Socialism is Coming. gently caress, maybe we get the exact same results as 2017 and we get to re-run the whole exiting election experience in a couple of months. We're living in exciting times.
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sinky posted:Have we finally reached peak Guardian The comments below that article are brutal. Looks like the Guardian opened them by mistake and hastily closed them when they realised (they normally keep comments closed when they're running a Corbyn anti-semitism smear article).
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Pistol_Pete posted:The comments below that article are brutal. Looks like the Guardian opened them by mistake and hastily closed them when they realised (they normally keep comments closed when they're running a Corbyn anti-semitism smear article). https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/05/scrub-antisemitism-out-of-labour-corbyn-wont-even-clean-his-own-house It's basically a bloodbath of deleted comments
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I don't know what you're complaining about, the author of that article went out of her way to be scrupulously balanced in her writing.quote:Now, before I move on to the Queen’s Christmas speech section, this is the bit where we have to say that the Tories are worse, even if we’ve said it in multiple other articles, multiple times, including this week. Also I have become immeasurably more stupid after skimming that piece. If there is an argument she is making somewhere beyond an excuse to write that headline it's entirely opaque to me. Even anti-Semitism is only mentioned once, in passing, without an actual point attached.
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Hyde's a posh rich girl who won't suffer, whoever the next government is, so it's all just a marvellous game to her. And she gets paid for writing this terribly witty stuff too!
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ISP chat for a second to distract from poll chat briefly. Is Three reliable as a provider for home Internet? I'm on a BT landline, non fibre, with a max speed of 1.6MB a sec and there's absolutely no sign of the fibre network just a street away coming into ours in the near future. It's slow, but reliable. Three have their 4g unlimited package which, well 4g is roughly 5 times faster basically. I'm just concerned with their network going down or the signal getting poo poo for misc reasons which could cut us off from the Internet.
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Dec 6, 2019 08:10
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I was in a similar situation to yours but living in central Brighton and I eventually got a Three contract with a 3G home router and it was fine to use for general browsing and streaming. Can't remeber having an outtage. However, reliability and service are going to depend heavily on your location. My contract had a 40 gb limit so ended up with my laptop in a lot of cafes etc. downloading netflix series. Living in a 3 person flat share with 2mb internet was horrendous. I am sure you have thought about this but if you're with BT anyway do you have one of their 'fon' public routers that you can login with your details close to you? May be a sticking plaster but only use it connected to a VPN.
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volts5000 posted:Yeah. So far he's done: But yea, if somebody is really getting bent out of shape over 'Epshtein' then the brain spiders are hatched and there's probably no hope. There's a fundamental disconnect between the incredibly minor, probably nonexistent offences Corbyn is supposed to have committed and the massive, moustache-twirling persona that's been concocted, and people who become gripped by those conspiracy theories are incredibly hard to free from them. TACD fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Epshtein rebuttal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo
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Claiming that 'Epshtein' proves your deep antisemitic urges are coming to the surface is only barely this side of saying "Jeremy Corbyn uses the letter 'J' 20% more than other people, showing his unconscious hatred of the perfidious Jew!" That person will be involved in some kind of truther cult before too long.
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tithin posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/05/scrub-antisemitism-out-of-labour-corbyn-wont-even-clean-his-own-house Was she really in the Arron banks dms flirting with him?
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In the next week or so the Tory election machine will have to react to the ‘EHRC looks to investigate islamaphobia’ story whilst sending senior cabinet ministers to marginals where their candidates are on the record as being massively Islamophobic. Will be interesting to see if it gets mentioned beyond the Graun and Mirror
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This week's WDTAW has Huw specifically referencing Brown Moses defending himself over the "Russia did the American trade deal leaks" story on SA. There might be sinister political extremists watching us right here in this very thread! 
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Total Meatlove posted:In the next week or so the Tory election machine will have to react to the ‘EHRC looks to investigate islamaphobia’ story whilst sending senior cabinet ministers to marginals where their candidates are on the record as being massively Islamophobic. lol that you think they'd start an investigation now
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i'm a couple hundred posts behind did this get posted? https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1202870340764020736?s=20
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