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GoGoGadgetChris posted:It's been a while, but didn't the comic have a "Veidt was right" attitude? Maybe I just projected that on to it since I was 15 and thought it would be GOOD to prevent nuclear annihilation of our species
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Yeah but he created the Cop Exchange Program that brought us Red Scare, so it's impossible to say if he was bad for sure (I love the scene where Red Scare threatens to tear down the Nixonville "idol" and all the residents clearly don't give a poo poo at all)
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Dec 6, 2019 03:12
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:Trieu: What does the clock do? gently caress you, that’s what it does. Now go home and get your glowing blue shine box.
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Dec 6, 2019 03:20
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:shouting "YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME" at his dick  GoGoGadgetChris posted:It's been a while, but didn't the comic have a "Veidt was right" attitude? Maybe I just projected that on to it since I was 15 and thought it would be GOOD to prevent nuclear annihilation of our species I think the comic ending with the reporter finding Rorschach's journal at the end contradicts that interpretation. Watchmen isn't anything so simple as Aesop's Fables, so the morality tale isn't as straightforward as "this guy good", its more just meant to make you skeptical and doubt all of these overly simplistic "solutions" like costumed superheroes, which only cause the very problems they fight against. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Dec 6, 2019 03:23
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Gonz posted:All is well. Everybody stay calm. Nothing to see here. lmao where was the crazy guy with the kickstarter for a ternary computer like nobody ever thought of that before just lmao at people taking someone seriously when they say they're working on a "quantum device" and also assuming it must be dangerous. Because... nuclear something something??
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Dec 6, 2019 03:25
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Timeless Appeal posted:I mean this is a lot of people's take-away of the novel despite the fact that the comic portrays Veidt's actions as pretty definitely wrong in the longterm. It's worth remembering that Veidt's actions aren't about the shortterm stopping of nuclear war. I think it's fair to say that if he wanted to, Adrian could have created some failsafe to avert actual nuclear attacks that wouldn't involve killing millions of lives. The problem is that Adrian wants to create longterm, sustainable peace, and the book is really clear that this is wrongheaded. On Reverse-World the story of Watchmen is that Adrian Veidt uses his genius and vast fortune to develop greater humanity and empathy over the course of several decades in Dr Manhattan. He humbly realizes that this power must be used for good and it’s not about glory or being right. It’s about doing right. Together, they team up (no man is an island) to remove the capability to exterminate humanity from the USA and USSR, expose Nixon’s many crimes, and use advanced tech to solve many of humanity’s most pressing issues. — Adrian’s real accomplishment is not averting nuclear war in the actual story. It’s defeating Dr Manhattan, something no one else could do. He psychologically destroys him. Funny strategy to prevent a war- eliminate the one being who could actually stop it if he wanted. “I DID IT!!!!!”
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Dec 6, 2019 03:28
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The story of Tales of the Black Freighter blatantly parallels Veidt's horrible act. The comic doesn't say he's right; characters in it do.
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Dec 6, 2019 03:40
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:On Reverse-World the story of Watchmen is that Adrian Veidt uses his genius and vast fortune to develop greater humanity and empathy over the course of several decades in Dr Manhattan. Reverse world Dr. Manhattan is the Michael Clark Duncan from The Green Mile
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Dec 6, 2019 03:47
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Martman posted:They definitely needed to spend a moment on HJ yelling "WHY BONER NOW??" You guys didn't do that at home too? This is troubling.
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Dec 6, 2019 03:50
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:It's been a while, but didn't the comic have a "Veidt was right" attitude? Maybe I just projected that on to it since I was 15 and thought it would be GOOD to prevent nuclear annihilation of our species Also, circles and cycles are a big visual and literal theme, and the final panel (ketchup staining the smiley face t-shirt) mirroring the first panel of the first issue (blood staining the Comedian's smiley face pin) suggests that any "peace" will just be a phase.
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Dec 6, 2019 04:18
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Martman posted:The story of Tales of the Black Freighter blatantly parallels Veidt's horrible act. The comic doesn't say he's right; characters in it do. There's also the fact that Veidt calls himself Ozymandias. Another example of how futile his acts are and subtle proof that Veidt might not actually be that smart.
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Dec 6, 2019 04:21
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WHY BONER NOW posted:I wonder how Trieu knew about Manhattan? She says in ep 7 that Will “put the idea in her head,” so Will was the one who told her. he was probably keeping tabs on Cyclops/7K and they found out first (probably on White Night somehow)
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Dec 6, 2019 04:22
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Timeless Appeal posted:There's also "Nothing ever ends" I always wondered if he took the name Ozymandias because he thought he was great enough to actually make a permanent Legacy, or if it was an acknowledgement that it's impossible to have a permanent Legacy. Or if the irony was supposed to be lost on him?
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The last 3 eps of this have been really good.
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Dec 6, 2019 04:51
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He thinks Ozymandias was Alexander the Great.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:16
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Collateral posted:He thinks Ozymandias was Alexander the Great. How's that? He specifically refers to Alexander in the comic so its clear he knows the difference.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:38
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Zaphod42 posted:How's that? He specifically refers to Alexander in the comic so its clear he knows the difference. Alexander AND Ramses II, who was the one also known as Ozymandius. Alexander the Great just never had a one-word nickname everyone had heard of, really.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:42
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"The bigger the lie, the more they believe."
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Dec 6, 2019 05:44
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I wouldn't want to be around if that elephant ever wakes up.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:49
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I was all ready to try some goony poo poo, but man this is superb.
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Dec 6, 2019 06:16
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on that note, I chased this on a wild instinct and it works pretty drat well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhoO5lmroFk tin can made man fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Dec 6, 2019 06:54
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Guys what if Angela is a creation of Dr Manhattan?
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Dec 6, 2019 08:32
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Zaphod42 posted:That would require Manhattan to willingly create Nostalgia and give it to her, unlikely If that's the case she's gonna be pretty pissed when she realizes he literally came right to her doorstep and she didn't let him in. I feel like using Angela as bait to draw Cal in might've been a pretty interesting plot device. They could've done some fun stuff with that scenario. But I don't know we're headed here ultimately, so whatever. Either way the big reveal puts a different spin on that scene.
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Dec 6, 2019 09:03
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So it's Will that knew about secret Dr. Manhattan not Angela probably right?
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Dec 6, 2019 09:46
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there's almost certainly a non-zero amount of people that read watchmen in the 80s and thought Rorschach's last stand made him the most morally correct protagonist in the comic and now they are the senator from Oklahoma
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Dec 6, 2019 11:04
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tin can made man posted:on that note, I chased this on a wild instinct and it works pretty drat well
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Dec 6, 2019 11:43
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I mean, at least Rorschach has an ethos, dude.
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Berke Negri posted:there's almost certainly a non-zero amount of people that read watchmen in the 80s and thought Rorschach's last stand made him the most morally correct protagonist in the comic Eh, I don't know if White Supremacists support the idea of inadvertently causing nuclear armageddon, if only because that means white people would die too. Rorschach was many things, but pretty race neutral in terms of his contempt for humanity. He even was kind enough as to convert his black psychiatrist to his nihilistic philosophy. That's some progressive nihilism right there.
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packetmantis posted:I mean, at least Rorschach has an ethos, dude. Plus, dude, knot top is not the preferred nomenclature.
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DaveKap posted:Wish I could've seen this before the bots swept it away. oh lol, that was fast https://vimeo.com/377794706
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DaveKap posted:Wish I could've seen this before the bots swept it away. Still works for me, it just shows as unlisted.
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loving superb.
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Berke Negri posted:there's almost certainly a non-zero amount of people that read watchmen in the 80s and thought Rorschach's last stand made him the most morally correct protagonist in the comic I keep coming back to the (fictional) cover up of the squid attack by the Redford Government, and the parallel the show's drawing between that and the real historical cover up (or just plain denial) of America's historical massacres, including Black Wallstreet, and what the show's saying about the public recognition in either case. Honestly seems a bit ambivalent.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I keep coming back to the (fictional) cover up of the squid attack by the Redford Government, and the parallel the show's drawing between that and the real historical cover up (or just plain denial) of America's historical massacres, including Black Wallstreet, and what the show's saying about the public recognition in either case. Honestly seems a bit ambivalent. the white supremacists' conspiracy theory being 100% correct is just one way the show's politics are deeply confused it's a well-made and entertaining show but I don't think it actually has anything coherent to say about racial injustice or how it should be remedied tbh
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I just hope the Veidt recording for Redford is some part of a master plan of his to course correct after cynically seeing how the world was still poo poo after the squid. Its existence is the only thing that really doesn't gel with his book characterization to me.
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MaoistBanker posted:! Could they just go back and adapt the comic as a tv series? Because this is making it clear that would be 100x better than any movie.
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If the show proves one thing it's that Lindelof cares about crafting a narrative that's relevant to today's politics. While I don't think it would need to change drastically in order to adapt the comic to maintain significant relevance to our current political situation, I do think that it wouldn't be as interesting to Lindelof as going forward in time.
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Barry Convex posted:it's a well-made and entertaining show but I don't think it actually has anything coherent to say about racial injustice or how it should be remedied tbh What do you mean, there's nothing about how it should be remedied? Am I taking crazy pills? Because it seems pretty clear to me that the way to end the white nationalist/supremacy movements is to build a sciencemagic clock that's powered by elephant brains in the heartland, and cloning helps, too. How is everyone not getting this?
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tin can made man posted:oh lol, that was fast Agh this just reminds me how badly Ozymandias was miscast
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