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GlyphGryph posted:Yep, I was told I was gonna be ignored from now on because I "keep speaking over Jewish voices". How about these Jewish voices? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/im-jewish-and-im-voting-labour-in-the-general-election-heres-why/ e: 
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What did they say to the, y'know, actual jews who said the AS stuff was a load of bollocks?
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GlyphGryph posted:Welp, I think all I accomplished is making my friend pissed at me, she's now accusing me of "trying to justify antisemitism on the left because I don't like the tories". I mean it sounds like they're a liberal. Like, if from them there's no examination of the mainstream media class' function and by extension the underlying ideaological beliefs inherant to that class etc, then yeah you end up with "I'd vote labour but for Corbyn and his handling of anti-semitism" or in your friends case belief that he's actually an anti-semite? Mainstream coverage turning anti-semitism and islamophobia into, like, simply partisan issues is just so unbelievebly hosed.
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OwlFancier posted:What did they say to the, y'know, actual jews who said the AS stuff was a load of bollocks? I don't think they read/watched any of it, honestly, the fact that I myself wasn't Jewish and was "lecturing" her was enough to dismiss it all out of hand and the links she posted from the Mail and Sun and Guardian were all irrefutable evidence so why bother engaging with me. God, gently caress the Guardian going all in on this bullshit.
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Dec 6, 2019 19:59
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Halisnacks posted:I live in a safe labour seat. I won’t really have the opportunity to travel to a marginal before the election. Is canvassing on the doorstep in a safe seat a better use of time than phone banking? Want to help how I can. Doing get out the vote stuff/registering for giving lifts on the day if you can is all very useful. Do whichever suits you best between phone banking and dropping leaflets/canvassing locally. Don't take "safe" seats for granted, that's what did Hillary in.
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GlyphGryph posted:I don't think they read/watched any of it, honestly, the fact that I myself wasn't Jewish and was "lecturing" her was enough to dismiss it all out of hand and the links she posted from the Mail and Sun and Guardian were all irrefutable evidence so why bother engaging with me. She doesn't sound like a very naturally left voter tbh. Is this like a weird version of tumblr brain or something where you get hyper focused on one issue and that fulfils your politics need?
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GlyphGryph posted:Yep, I was told I was gonna be ignored from now on because I "keep speaking over Jewish voices".
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brawleh posted:I mean it sounds like they're a liberal. Like, if from them there's no examination of the mainstream media class' function and by extension the underlying ideaological beliefs inherant to that class etc, then yeah you end up with "I'd vote labour but for Corbyn and his handling of anti-semitism" or in your friends case belief that he's actually an anti-semite? The New Statesman going all in on this bollocks tells you everything you need to know about their real intentions to fight for a better society. Posing upper-middle class pricks.
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Bundy posted:registering for giving lifts on the day How do I do this?
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OwlFancier posted:She doesn't sound like a very naturally left voter tbh. She's pretty left otherwise, but yeah she's definitely hyperfocused on the issue of antisemitism for the recent year. I think if it weren't for this particular issue she's be enthusiastically pro-Corbyn I'm absolutely sure. So it's frustrating, but it is what it is.
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Facehammer posted:How do I do this? Talk to your local party. They'll be organizing it.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I really hate talking to strangers and the number of people getting actively involved on here makes me feel bad You could ask your local party if they need people to deliver leaflets door to door. Could hand them out in the streets too, hardly anyone will actually talk to you.
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So, well done all of you and I promise to donate some more money to the Good Cause this weekend.
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Facehammer posted:How do I do this? Get hold of local CLP and say "hello do you need anyone to give lifts next week". Can't remember if you have to be a member.
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OwlFancier posted:What did they say to the, y'know, actual jews who said the AS stuff was a load of bollocks?
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Pistol_Pete posted:I really hate talking to strangers and the number of people getting actively involved on here makes me feel bad You can do leafleting! It's fresh air and walking and you don't have to talk to people 
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GlyphGryph posted:Yep, I was told I was gonna be ignored from now on because I "keep speaking over Jewish voices". you could just send her links from jewish voices (including JVL) but yeah, if someone's on the "Jeremy didn't bow deeply enough therefore he hates are troops" level they already have a bias and just want to read confirmation from everything, and evidence probably won't matter I think all you can really do is start from the position that Corbs is a committed anti-racist campaigner, he's dedicated his life to it. He pursues causes out of principle even when they're not fashionable or politically advantageous. He has a record of standing up for and with people from all communities, including Jewish people and groups. It's one of his strengths, which is exactly why he's being attacked and undermined on it by political opponents who claim to care about antisemitism, but only if it relates to Jeremy Corbyn or the Labour Party since he took over. They're happy to shut out dissenting Jewish voices and stoke a climate of fear just to finally get to him, meanwhile the Tories erect a statue of a hitler superfan and it's not even worth commenting on
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GlyphGryph posted:She's pretty left otherwise, but yeah she's definitely hyperfocused on the issue of antisemitism for the recent year. I think if it weren't for this particular issue she's be enthusiastically pro-Corbyn I'm absolutely sure. So it's frustrating, but it is what it is. Nah, keep going. You don't need to move on to another talking point until she addresses why she is ignoring and marginalising Jewish voices, and the longer she tried to avoid it the more she looks unreasonable. I love it when people try to just ignore inconvenient facts, because all you have to do is refuse to move on until they answer it and there is absolutely no good, reasonable looking response on their part other than answering the question.
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Bundy posted:Doing get out the vote stuff/registering for giving lifts on the day if you can is all very useful. Do whichever suits you best between phone banking and dropping leaflets/canvassing locally. Don't take "safe" seats for granted, that's what did Hillary in. Thanks. I am going to try to sign up for phone banking. I totally agree that nothing should be taken for granted, but if my safe seat falls, it means Labour will be annihilated (they led the runner up by 40ppt points here in 2017).
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RabidWeasel posted:You can do leafleting! It's fresh air and walking and you don't have to talk to people Other than the odd angry homeowner who has nothing to do but yell at you.
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Next Friday could be the greatest day in British history since 1945. I feel like no one has really appreciated that.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I really hate talking to strangers and the number of people getting actively involved on here makes me feel bad We can only do what we can do. If donating is all you can manage then that's amazing of you to do 
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Braggart posted:No, no no! I was saying purple of colour! Because purple is a colour The Colour Purple is depressing as gently caress though
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Pistol_Pete posted:I really hate talking to strangers and the number of people getting actively involved on here makes me feel bad also seconding leaflets before election day if you're able but don't want to socialise (headphones good), plus on election day they might need people dropping reminders round to confirmed Labour voters again, whatever you can do will help, anything is infinitely better than nothing.
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I'm signed up to do GOTV leafleting at six in the morning on polling day to try and get people to do it before work.
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A friend shared these reports she got today for comments over the last few weeks, so seemingly someone is reporting any anti-Tory posts, and Facebook seems to happily oblige  
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GlyphGryph posted:She's pretty left otherwise, but yeah she's definitely hyperfocused on the issue of antisemitism for the recent year. I think if it weren't for this particular issue she's be enthusiastically pro-Corbyn I'm absolutely sure. So it's frustrating, but it is what it is. If she's really lefty, it might be worth asking if she remembers the 2004 US election where the decorated war hero was made out to be a coward by the right wing media. The anti-semitism smears against a committed anti-racist mirrors the swift boat stuff pretty thoroughly.
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Chuka Umana posted:Nick Robinson is chairing the debate tonight. Good or bad? Former head of the young conservatives Nick Robinson?
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In a Hackney venue watching some bands before the debate. Should be a fun eve
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I believe ShaneMacGowansTeeth might know, what campaigning is going on in Portsmouth South this weekend? It's suggested to me by the Momentum app but no events but polling day listed, the CLP site lists some training sessions. Alternatively I could go to East Worthing and Shoreham which need about a 5k swing from Tory to Labour, I don't know how to evaluate which has greater need, although events are listed for it.
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I've only ever met one Young Conservative, we listened to back to back Rage Against The Machine albums for a 4 hour drive to a work conference because they were his favourite band.
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OwlFancier posted:I really hope all those new registrations don't let us down.
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History Comes Inside! posted:I've only ever met one Young Conservative, we listened to back to back Rage Against The Machine albums for a 4 hour drive to a work conference because they were his favourite band. Did you tell him to not skip leg day next time
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I wonder if you showed this shot of the mural (or even a hi-res photo straight-on) to people using it as evidence of antisemitism, if they could see the bankers that look so antisemitic. Might be a good counter. I'm not saying that they're not there or that they're not a problem, but if someone's going to attack Corbyn for not seeing them, they loving better be able to see it themselves. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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