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bell jar
Feb 25, 2009

make anidav a full mod and give him access to reports so that he can deal with these ultracop bullshit reports with the justice they deserve

:69snypa:

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The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do
https://twitter.com/jonathonio/status/1203078144095186944

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



bowmore posted:

There is no way both Albo and Morrison last the next 18 months

the only one whod topple morrison is dutton and he's got everything he wants with his super ministry already

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
So, Rugby Australia has settled with Israel Folau.

No official details, but I've seen $3million as the likely amount he was paid for being a bigot.

Yay, justice.

TheLastRoboKy
May 2, 2009

Finishing the game with everyone else's continues

Megillah Gorilla posted:

So, Rugby Australia has settled with Israel Folau.

No official details, but I've seen $3million as the likely amount he was paid for being a bigot.

Yay, justice.

We'll never know the actual amount unless someone breaches the confidentiality agreement that comes with these sorts of things, but Rugby Australia has probably had a lot of commercial interests leaning on them to get this poo poo out of the way because financially it's not in the best of health at the moment and the lawsuit has been sucking oxygen away form them talking about the game. It sucks but by the same token Folau has more or less ensured no one in the sporting codes he's been a part of are going to want a bar of him because of how he conducts himself, so whatever settlement he's made he's going to need to stretch it out to get his money's worth from it because he won't be making that sort of money just from playing sport ever again.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

He'll just get it from Sky.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Shortly after the federal election, I had a conversation with a figure at the very centre of the Government.

As we raked over where the election had left the political conversation, I noted the Prime Minister's repeated emphasis on getting on with delivering services to Australians in his public statements.

Did this suggest that a politician so driven by marketing memes had detected a weariness with the ideological wars of politics among disconnected voters, and recognised political self-interest in shaping both the Government's message, and its agenda, around the basics of government service delivery?

Did this mean the Government might abandon some of its ideological warfare against institutions?

"Don't be ridiculous," this person snorted. "If anything, this Government is more ideologically driven than Abbott. They want to win the culture wars they see in education, in the public service, in all of our institutions, and they'll come for the ABC too, of course. There will be a big cleanout at the top of the public service, but Morrison will wait for a while to do that. They believe the Left has been winning the war for the last 20 years and are determined to turn the tables. Morrison will just be craftier about the way he goes about it."

Go beyond the symbolism
There have been many occasions to remember this conversation — and its rather extraordinary reflection on who seems to have been winning the ideological battle — over the intervening six months.

No more so than amid the anger expressed about the Government's move on Thursday to slash the number of government departments and sack five departmental secretaries.

The arts community, in particular, are angry and alarmed that there won't be a department with "arts" in the title.

But it is important to go beyond just the symbolism of what the Prime Minister announced this week, and also to put it in the context of the contempt for accountability that he and his ministers have shown since their re-election, particularly in the Angus Taylor affair.

The public service is being sidelined
First, a bit of boring old process. The Government commissioned a comprehensive review of the public service last year, headed by former Telstra boss David Thodey.

The Government received the review's final report in September. It hasn't yet gone to Cabinet. Yet, this week, the Government embarked on a major overhaul of the structure, personnel and purpose of the public service which it says "hits the theme" of the review.
No, no-one mentioned the vibe of the thing.

So having spent a great deal of experts' time, and taxpayer money, the Government announces huge changes in the public service without linking them directly to recommendations from the body it established itself.

Oh, except, sorry, it was the same Government that started the review but, you guessed it, a different prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull.

Among the many contributions made to, and by, the Thodey review was a paper on the relationship between the public service and ministers and their advisers.

And while people have talked about the growing role of ministerial offices and advisers for decades, this week's announcement really crystallises a trend to the sidelining of the public service as a frontline provider of policy advice.

Are 'silos' in the 'Canberra bubble' really the problem?
Listen to the language of Scott Morrison from Thursday's press conference.

The Prime Minister reflected on how he had told public servants soon after the election "about having a very strong focus on the delivery of services because that's what Government is there to do".

"I want a public service that's very much focussed on implementation....Whether... they're preparing research, the policy they're developing, services they're delivering on the ground and ensuring that could be done efficiently and keep Australians connected to them in the work they do each day."

Now, there are references to the development of policy in his words. But the clear message was really about improving the way services are delivered to the public.

This is an admirable goal. And, of itself, merging different parts of the bureaucracy isn't a bad idea.

But it is really unclear that "silos" in the "Canberra bubble" are necessarily the real issue here.

And the fact that the number of departments was slashed from 18 to 14, with five department heads losing their jobs while the number of ministers remains unchanged is very telling, and not just because of the bad optics.

How do we know who's making the decisions?
The underlying message from the Prime Minister is really a reflection of the fact that policy is largely driven by ministers and their offices these days, rather than a clear line of process that involves public servants, and/or the people who have been commissioned by the Government itself to advise it. The Thodey Review itself is a stunning example of this.

Once things are decided in a minister's office, the scope for even the parliament to find out what has happened is immediately constrained, particularly in an administration that thinks it is okay for one minister to decline to be interviewed by the police, or for another minister to retain his job while unable to explain how he appears to have spectacularly misled parliament, and is subject to a police investigation into forged documents.

Or for the role of ministerial advisers in various scandals to remain unclear, while they hold on to their jobs.

If these new changes mean even less policy flows out of the public service, what hope have we of knowing who is making the decisions, and on what rationale, in areas that the Government doesn't feel like talking about or prioritising, like the arts? It is hard to see any discussion coming up in Estimates, for starters.

Public servants are now supposed to be the facilitators of policy rather than its authors, but, in fact, particularly under Coalition governments, they have often become little more than post boxes for the outsourcing of contracts to the private sector.

There's too little transparency
But think of all the bad contractual arrangements that have been exposed just this year — from the Paladin contracts in Papua New Guinea to (yet another) case of a minister distributing regional grants out of their office, outside the guidelines of the grants program — and how little transparency there is about what goes on.

A telling remark from an unnamed "senior government source" in The Australian on Friday was that "there is also a big wake-up call coming for the IT and tech public servants who have spent 20 years making contractors and IT companies rich by signing up for fragmented, sub-scale tech systems".

For those of us with any memory, it's hard not to laugh out loud here.

It was the Howard government who oversaw the disastrous outsourcing of the government's IT program — which was scathingly reviewed by the Auditor-General.

The institutional memory of how systems had previously been set up to try to do exactly what the Prime Minister says he wants the public service to do has never recovered.

Thank goodness there is the public service to blame for this, rather than actually considering what impact slogan-driven policy, lacking in any real idea or interest in how to run a government, may be playing.

Laura Tingle is 7.30's chief political correspondent.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves
I am also down with freeing JBP

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Some loving cop-aligned seppo mod needs to gently caress right off

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.

Solemn Sloth posted:

Some loving cop-aligned seppo mod needs to gently caress right off

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Solemn Sloth posted:

Some loving cop-aligned seppo mod needs to gently caress right off

Amethyst
Mar 28, 2004

I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

bell jar posted:

if you reported jbp over that post, consider not posting here any more. consider just walking straight into the ocean and never coming back, you stupid piece of poo poo

Agreed. Also stop banning me for telling don donnington He sucks

Amethyst
Mar 28, 2004

I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

Anidav posted:

I didn't do it:cop:

What’s the point of having an IK if other moron mods who don’t know anything about this thread can wander in and ban for dumb crap? Stake your territory anidav

Amethyst
Mar 28, 2004

I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

Lmfao @ “strike force raptor”

Amethyst
Mar 28, 2004

I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

Shortly after the federal election, I had a conversation with a figure at the very centre of the Government.

As we raked over where the election had left the political conversation, I noted the Prime Minister's repeated emphasis on getting on with delivering services to Australians in his public statements.

Did this suggest that a politician so driven by marketing memes had detected a weariness with the ideological wars of politics among disconnected voters, and recognised political self-interest in shaping both the Government's message, and its agenda, around the basics of government service delivery?

Did this mean the Government might abandon some of its ideological warfare against institutions?

"Don't be ridiculous," this person snorted. "If anything, this Government is more ideologically driven than Abbott. They want to win the culture wars they see in education, in the public service, in all of our institutions, and they'll come for the ABC too, of course. There will be a big cleanout at the top of the public service, but Morrison will wait for a while to do that. They believe the Left has been winning the war for the last 20 years and are determined to turn the tables. Morrison will just be craftier about the way he goes about it."

Go beyond the symbolism
There have been many occasions to remember this conversation — and its rather extraordinary reflection on who seems to have been winning the ideological battle — over the intervening six months.

No more so than amid the anger expressed about the Government's move on Thursday to slash the number of government departments and sack five departmental secretaries.

The arts community, in particular, are angry and alarmed that there won't be a department with "arts" in the title.

But it is important to go beyond just the symbolism of what the Prime Minister announced this week, and also to put it in the context of the contempt for accountability that he and his ministers have shown since their re-election, particularly in the Angus Taylor affair.

The public service is being sidelined
First, a bit of boring old process. The Government commissioned a comprehensive review of the public service last year, headed by former Telstra boss David Thodey.

The Government received the review's final report in September. It hasn't yet gone to Cabinet. Yet, this week, the Government embarked on a major overhaul of the structure, personnel and purpose of the public service which it says "hits the theme" of the review.
No, no-one mentioned the vibe of the thing.

So having spent a great deal of experts' time, and taxpayer money, the Government announces huge changes in the public service without linking them directly to recommendations from the body it established itself.

Oh, except, sorry, it was the same Government that started the review but, you guessed it, a different prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull.

Among the many contributions made to, and by, the Thodey review was a paper on the relationship between the public service and ministers and their advisers.

And while people have talked about the growing role of ministerial offices and advisers for decades, this week's announcement really crystallises a trend to the sidelining of the public service as a frontline provider of policy advice.

Are 'silos' in the 'Canberra bubble' really the problem?
Listen to the language of Scott Morrison from Thursday's press conference.

The Prime Minister reflected on how he had told public servants soon after the election "about having a very strong focus on the delivery of services because that's what Government is there to do".

"I want a public service that's very much focussed on implementation....Whether... they're preparing research, the policy they're developing, services they're delivering on the ground and ensuring that could be done efficiently and keep Australians connected to them in the work they do each day."

Now, there are references to the development of policy in his words. But the clear message was really about improving the way services are delivered to the public.

This is an admirable goal. And, of itself, merging different parts of the bureaucracy isn't a bad idea.

But it is really unclear that "silos" in the "Canberra bubble" are necessarily the real issue here.

And the fact that the number of departments was slashed from 18 to 14, with five department heads losing their jobs while the number of ministers remains unchanged is very telling, and not just because of the bad optics.

How do we know who's making the decisions?
The underlying message from the Prime Minister is really a reflection of the fact that policy is largely driven by ministers and their offices these days, rather than a clear line of process that involves public servants, and/or the people who have been commissioned by the Government itself to advise it. The Thodey Review itself is a stunning example of this.

Once things are decided in a minister's office, the scope for even the parliament to find out what has happened is immediately constrained, particularly in an administration that thinks it is okay for one minister to decline to be interviewed by the police, or for another minister to retain his job while unable to explain how he appears to have spectacularly misled parliament, and is subject to a police investigation into forged documents.

Or for the role of ministerial advisers in various scandals to remain unclear, while they hold on to their jobs.

If these new changes mean even less policy flows out of the public service, what hope have we of knowing who is making the decisions, and on what rationale, in areas that the Government doesn't feel like talking about or prioritising, like the arts? It is hard to see any discussion coming up in Estimates, for starters.

Public servants are now supposed to be the facilitators of policy rather than its authors, but, in fact, particularly under Coalition governments, they have often become little more than post boxes for the outsourcing of contracts to the private sector.

There's too little transparency
But think of all the bad contractual arrangements that have been exposed just this year — from the Paladin contracts in Papua New Guinea to (yet another) case of a minister distributing regional grants out of their office, outside the guidelines of the grants program — and how little transparency there is about what goes on.

A telling remark from an unnamed "senior government source" in The Australian on Friday was that "there is also a big wake-up call coming for the IT and tech public servants who have spent 20 years making contractors and IT companies rich by signing up for fragmented, sub-scale tech systems".

For those of us with any memory, it's hard not to laugh out loud here.

It was the Howard government who oversaw the disastrous outsourcing of the government's IT program — which was scathingly reviewed by the Auditor-General.

The institutional memory of how systems had previously been set up to try to do exactly what the Prime Minister says he wants the public service to do has never recovered.

Thank goodness there is the public service to blame for this, rather than actually considering what impact slogan-driven policy, lacking in any real idea or interest in how to run a government, may be playing.

Laura Tingle is 7.30's chief political correspondent.
Why do we bother with journos like Laura Tingle? Is any of this poo poo news to anyone? We don’t need the word of anonymous “very senior government figures” to know that slashing the public service is ideological.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Amethyst posted:

Why do we bother with journos like Laura Tingle? Is any of this poo poo news to anyone? We don’t need the word of anonymous “very senior government figures” to know that slashing the public service is ideological.

Some attempt to report on the impacts of policy is still a step up from the 900 articles on which team won question time or a vote

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

bowmore posted:

There is no way both Albo and Morrison last the next 18 months

We either go full NSW hard right strip searches for all, dog squad beefed up fash while everything burns or we get Albo in charge and it goes maybe the same as Scomo has it now as Labor don't have the cojones to go futher left than that...and everything burns.

Aesculus
Mar 22, 2013

Molesting children isn't funny, hope that helps.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018


GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

Aesculus posted:

Molesting children isn't funny, hope that helps.

Mods are not funny, no

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Mattjpwns posted:

What makes you think this? (genuine question!)

people in this thread have insanely bad political instincts

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

Shortly after the federal election, I had a conversation with a figure at the very centre of the Government.

yeah, morrison's conceives of the public service as a machine where ministers' advisers (19 year old young liberals) feed ideas into it and media releases come out. there's no actual policy development in the public service any more.

Konomex
Oct 25, 2010

a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

Dimebag posted:

We either go full NSW hard right strip searches for all, dog squad beefed up fash while everything burns or we get Albo in charge and it goes maybe the same as Scomo has it now as Labor don't have the cojones to go futher left than that...and everything burns.

I really dislike this idea that stopping climate change is left or right, based on some nut job Americans who got confused and thought environmental scientists were communists. Stopping climate change is good for the economy.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again


Oh God the ABC rolled out a webpage update on me

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again


Looks very familiar.

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

Konomex posted:

I really dislike this idea that stopping climate change is left or right, based on some nut job Americans who got confused and thought environmental scientists were communists. Stopping climate change is good for the economy.

It is, because "good" for the "economy" is not in any way a concern for the ownership class who control our resource policy, outside of a sucking nullity of a tactical term

Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012

https://twitter.com/samanthamaiden/status/1203215620218617857?s=20

:stare:

The alleged rapist was Bill Landeryou, Kimberly Kitching's father-in-law

Brown Paper Bag fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Dec 7, 2019

fauna
Dec 6, 2018


Caught between two worlds...
yikes

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

:stare: That's a hell of a story

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
The Morrison Government is exploring the possibility of stripping Greenpeace of its charity status as it claims charities that engage in extreme green activism are fake charities and should be classified as political organisations.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Do it. Strip all the actual charities of their status and leave only the scumbag churches and cults. This is Australia and we are evil.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
Dutton said on sky news that parliament is a disadvantage for governments.

Jesus loving christ.

trunkh
Jan 31, 2011



hooman posted:

Dutton said on sky news that parliament is a disadvantage for governments.

Jesus loving christ.

I don't know who is more frightening as leadership at this point the fundy Adman or the Potato fascist.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Australia’s status as an open democracy has been downgraded in a blunt assessment released this week by a global alliance of human rights organisations.
The CIVICUS Monitor assesses which countries around the world allow people and community organisations to exercise their rights to freedom of association, peaceful assembly and expression, and which countries violate these rights. The 2019 edition sees Australia’s rating fall from “open” to “narrowed”.
Campaigns Director at the Human Rights Law Centre, Tom Clarke, said the negative assessment sadly reflected the clear trend of Australian governments chipping away at our rights and freedoms.
“Restricting free-speech, prosecuting whistle-blowers, intimidating journalists for publishing articles about government wrong-doing, cracking down on peaceful protests about the climate crisis - all of these restrictive policies add up. We need to draw a line in the sand and say ‘enough’,” said Mr Clarke.
Mr Clarke said it was time to create an Australian Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms to ensure the decisions and actions of our governments are guided by the values of freedom, equality and compassion.
“Powerful politicians and their corporate backers don’t always respect the rights of individual people or communities. We need to create an Australian Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms to help level the playing field,” said Mr Clarke.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.
Because when I think "who do I want to write and an Australian Charter of Human Rights?" I think "the Morrison Liberal Government".

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Anidav posted:

The Morrison Government is exploring the possibility of stripping Greenpeace of its charity status as it claims charities that engage in extreme green activism are fake charities and should be classified as political organisations.
The Howard Government attempted to do this to Amnesty International.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Anidav posted:

The Morrison Government is exploring the possibility of stripping Greenpeace of its charity status as it claims charities that engage in extreme green activism are fake charities and should be classified as political organisations.

Oh yeah GREAT optics and timing on that one. Just when the eastern half of Australia is on fire lets try to bash enviromental orgs!

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Oh yeah GREAT optics and timing on that one. Just when the eastern half of Australia is on fire lets try to bash enviromental orgs!

Remember in their weird hosed up world it's the Greenies who have caused these fires it so it makes seance to bash them

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Gridlocked posted:

Remember in their weird hosed up world it's the Greenies who have caused these fires it so it makes seance to bash them

Whose weird world? Morrison who actually knows quite drat well climate change is real but wants to suck coal cock or the idiots who are at present being yelled at by pretty much everyone else?

For every idiot going on about Greenies, there's about 10 who jump at them and tell em to gently caress off, or thats what it seems like to me.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Whose weird world? Morrison who actually knows quite drat well climate change is real but wants to suck coal cock or the idiots who are at present being yelled at by pretty much everyone else?

For every idiot going on about Greenies, there's about 10 who jump at them and tell em to gently caress off, or thats what it seems like to me.

Clearly you live in Melbourne

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Whose weird world? Morrison who actually knows quite drat well climate change is real but wants to suck coal cock or the idiots who are at present being yelled at by pretty much everyone else?

For every idiot going on about Greenies, there's about 10 who jump at them and tell em to gently caress off, or thats what it seems like to me.

I think we need, to talk about QUEENSLAND LABAH AND THE GREENS VEGETATION LAWS AND BOB BROWN SHUTTING DOWN REGIONAL AG SCHOOLS.

AUSTRALIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON FIRE AND THIS ISN'T EVEN THE WORST FIRE WE HAD.

FURTHERMORE THE WATER FROM PUTTING OUT THESE FIRES NEEDS TO BE USED FOR OUR CATTLE FARMERS NOT SOME BUSH LEFTIES.

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Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Whose weird world? Morrison who actually knows quite drat well climate change is real but wants to suck coal cock or the idiots who are at present being yelled at by pretty much everyone else?

For every idiot going on about Greenies, there's about 10 who jump at them and tell em to gently caress off, or thats what it seems like to me.

And thats why the liberal party resoundingly lost the 2019 election

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