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I'm a few pages late to the pessimism chat but I'd just like to add: A necessary corollary of believing (correctly) that things are poo poo is believing that things can be better. There is no point in believing (correctly) that things are poo poo if you do not believe they can be better, because if they can't be better you have no framework in which to judge them poo poo. That's all I've got to contribute to this. E: 103% is the projected Lib Dem vote share according to reliable sources that understand it's not 2017 any more, god, Fedule fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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Nettle Soup posted:My friend is worrying about a Labour government, because the house she'll inherit when her parents die is worth over 450k. Her parents are both voting Tory because of the marriage tax allowance thing, inheritance tax and because "We don't like corbyn" For you have nothing if you have no rights
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Anyone feeling handy with the felt tips? love to source my allies "Aryan Unity" in my fight against hard left antisemitism. https://twitter.com/johnedenuk/status/1203285896356941824
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OwlFancier posted:"Is the difference in inheritance tax going to solve all the problems you current face through lack of social support?" Sound a bit like saying "you're hosed either way" tbh. Even if it's easier to move to a smaller place than survive losing her disability benefits.
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Private Speech posted:Sound a bit like saying "you're hosed either way" tbh. I think it's more like saying "you can't inherit your way out of the need for a functioning society" which is a lesson a lot of people need to internalize. Like I'm never gonna see any inheritance but even if I was I can't live my drat life hoping for my parents to die so I can have a house. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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imagine having so little self-awareness that you honestly believe you, a solidly middle-class privately-educated white woman, do not have any more privilege than your black council-estate-raised co-star
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OwlFancier posted:I think it's more like saying "you can't inherit your way out of the need for a functioning society" which is a lesson a lot of people need to internalize. 
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A majority @Conservatives government will take our ball home:  Should have brought your own balls, poors! lol like any of you have balls And I'm telling Pater, so you can kiss your sports club funding goodbye!
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https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1203347824789856256?s=19 Happening status: it's
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Got a Liberal democrat leaflet through the post today. Interesting graph on it. Claims voter intention here is 39% Conservative 23% Liberal Democrat 19% Labour Pretty interesting considering 2017 election results here were 29k Conservative 20k Labour And..... 3.5k Liberal Democrat.
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OwlFancier posted:"Is the difference in inheritance tax going to solve all the problems you current face through lack of social support?" She's going to vote Labour, I've convinced her, but she can't convince her parents. Typical "I've been a labour voter all my life, but Corbyn!  "This seems relevant. https://www.theguardian.com/comment...e-for-him-right
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It's hard for me personally (and I'm guessing some other people) to feel optimistic because politics worldwide has mostly been such an unremitting cavalcade of poo poo and fascism for the past five years or so that it feels like the bad ending is foreordained. Big Tory poll leads, none of their lies or failings or utterly monstrous policies that have literally killed people appearing to hurt them at all, all those articles about potential historic gains in Labour heartlands where the reporter has as whole set of vox pops with people Who've Voted Labour All Their Life, But Can't Stand That Clown Corbyn, Now Boris, He's Got Something About Him, etc, etc. It all gives me a sick certainty that this time next week we'll be dealing with endless gloating of the Tweetman and the first set of editorials on how lurching left has destroyed Labour's electoral chances and it's time for sensible centrism to rebuild public trust. ...but the exact same things gave me the exact same sick certainty in 2017. It's not over yet, it's not a foregone conclusion, and we've got to keep hoping and trying, because ultimately what else is there?
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Mega Comrade posted:Got a Liberal democrat leaflet through the post today. Interesting graph on it. No that's not interesting any more because we've seen that happen so many times. Jo;'s strategy of media saturation has worked! Lib Dem credibility is no longer falling! 
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Mega Comrade posted:Got a Liberal democrat leaflet through the post today. Interesting graph on it. alternative facts
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Nettle Soup posted:She's going to vote Labour, I've convinced her, but she can't convince her parents. Typical "I've been a labour voter all my life, but Corbyn! Oh sure parents are poo poo so long as she gets it.
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ThomasPaine posted:https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1203347824789856256?s=19 In 2017 Savanta had a 10pt gap after underestimating Labour vote by 6 points. Curious if the gap is actually closer this time, if they've fixed their issues, or a bit of both.
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ThomasPaine posted:https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1203347824789856256?s=19 
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I do suspect more of the undecideds will go Labour than not because I can't imagine what would swing you tory in the last week. Undecided to me means unsure if lib dem or tory or not wanting to vote tory but feeling conflicted about lab/lib dem. All the tories I've run into were definitely tory.
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I registered to help out on the campaign about three weeks ago, and only got this email this morning: I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so I can understand that it's not a major focus for campaigning, but leaving it as late as this is a bit of a shame  Having said that, I may go tomorrow and see if I can help, if I can summon the courage 
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I would actually just blow my load in one second from a position of complete flaccidity
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We have to trust the polls, and if that means living in two realities at once, so be it. https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1203287620849164288
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Nettle Soup posted:My friend is worrying about a Labour government, because the house she'll inherit when her parents die is worth over 450k. Her parents are both voting Tory because of the marriage tax allowance thing, inheritance tax and because "We don't like corbyn" Save a couple thousand quid in taxes or Live in a functional society where people don’t literally die of cold in their homes. Also the economy being stronger, more and better jobs and rights, less crime, everyone happier, better infrastructure...
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more polls for the poll god
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ThomasPaine posted:more polls for the poll god https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1203355508092153857
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Might wanna redact the email addresses and group link in that?
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Ornedan posted:Might wanna redact the email addresses in that? Oops, probably a good idea. I'll do it now
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OwlFancier posted:I do suspect more of the undecideds will go Labour than not because I can't imagine what would swing you tory in the last week. Undecided to me means unsure if lib dem or tory or not wanting to vote tory but feeling conflicted about lab/lib dem. All the tories I've run into were definitely tory.
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Apraxin posted:We have to trust the polls, and if that means living in two realities at once, so be it. absolutely no way Brexit get 7 MPs, not happening also where on earth are the Greens picking up another seat?
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Julio Cruz posted:absolutely no way Brexit get 7 MPs, not happening Those arent seat predictions, they're percentage changes in that one constituency.
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Julio Cruz posted:absolutely no way Brexit get 7 MPs, not happening what
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Julio Cruz posted:absolutely no way Brexit get 7 MPs, not happening Isn't that percentage changes?
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I think they're both predictions for Wrexham, i.e. polls are just made up numbers just stuck up a big board outside our house also my next door neighbour who's nice, and I've never had any reason to suspect was a massive tory, but isn't exactly what you'd picture as a typical labour voter (retired vet, goes skiing a lot) has got a garden stake
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Julio Cruz posted:absolutely no way Brexit get 7 MPs, not happening where are you seeing these claims?
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ultraleft twitter is at it again https://twitter.com/libcomorg/status/1202887432309497856?s=19
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Labour have been saying absolutely no coalitions, but how likely is it that they do enter some sort of agreement with the SNP if we end up with a hung parliament? Surely that's better than trying to form some kind of minority government?
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Long time lurker first time poster. De-lurking to say that I've received 13 leaflets from the Lib Dems in the last couple of weeks, anyone received more than that?
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Bardeh posted:Labour have been saying absolutely no coalitions, but how likely is it that they do enter some sort of agreement with the SNP if we end up with a hung parliament? Surely that's better than trying to form some kind of minority government? very, but you don't say it!
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