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The My Lai massacre was a war crime worthy of some house arrest and forfeit pay. So basically the same as some drug dealing or streaking, I guess?
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We dropped the big one so I don't think the United States ever gets to claim we have a pretty conventional warfighting posture. Against the background of our nuclear triad the level of military adventurism we engage in is uh, alarming.
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Crazyhorse One Eight: *shoots a bunch of unarmed people with a 30mm chain gun, then shoots more unarmed people who come to try and help those people and their car with kids in it* This is fine
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White phos and cluster munitions are two obvious ones
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:White phos and cluster munitions are two obvious ones Waging dozens of wars out of choice and engaging in the killing of hundreds of thousands of people is the obvious one. Regardless of whatever means you use to kill them and whatever label of 'adventurism'/ regime change/ freedom you use to clothe those acts of killing. The killings themselves are the monstrous act.
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Mr Crustacean posted:Waging dozens of wars out of choice and engaging in the killing of hundreds of thousands of people is the obvious one. War is a crime: what else is new?
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Viva Miriya posted:War is a crime: what else is new? Some people seem to be under the impression that as long as you classify the killings you do as a 'war' /conflict/ title 10 operation and the people you kill as combatants. That killing those people doesn't count against you. @godholio @unitedstates foreign policy this 21st century
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It's the US government equivalent to claiming that the Uighur concentration camps are for reeducation, and not for annihilation of an undesired culture. Or that Russia invaded Crimea to protect the Russians there. Grab that fig leaf and hold onto it hard, it's better (apparently) than admitting the truth.
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mlmp08 posted:Welcome to History 101 of WWII and Vietnam, the wars where some of what we did would be reported as war crimes if another nation that we did not like had done them! That's kind of where I thought he was going (specifically weapons, not total warfare), which is a weak argument to use against the modern military. But it turns out we probably used WP mortar shells in Iraq, so nevermind. Godholio fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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Mr Crustacean posted:Some people seem to be under the impression that as long as you classify the killings you do as a 'war' /conflict/ title 10 operation and the people you kill as combatants. gently caress you. I didn't say a goddamned thing about killing innocents, because I loving agree with you on that.
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Mr Crustacean posted:Some people seem to be under the impression that as long as you classify the killings you do as a 'war' /conflict/ title 10 operation and the people you kill as combatants. You're misinterpreting and tilting at the wrong windmill there, friend. Please scroll back for the lovely opinion of noted forums superstar checks notes "LibCrusher" and similar. Riot Carol Danvers fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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Godholio posted:gently caress you. I didn't say a goddamned thing about killing innocents, because I loving agree with you on that. That's kinda the point I'm making. Your logical conceit of not really giving a poo poo about the killings of anyone who gets labelled as a combatant in a title 10 environment Where if you label it a war and the people you kill as combatants, then those killings don't count. And only the non combatant deaths count against you. It's a rather necessary conceit in a tactical soldiering context to do the job of closing and killing with the enemy. It's a loving disgraceful conceit to use in any sort of leadership, policy or populace level discussion outside of the tactical role, and should be repudiated and stamped out at every point outside that specific tactical soldiering role in theatre. Because it's the very conceit that allows you to start those wars and justify killing those hundreds and thousands of people. Where you think killing those people doesn't count because you started a 'war' with them.
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Godholio posted:^That's kind of a new thing, and probably not what he's talking about.
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Mr Crustacean posted:That's kinda the point I'm making. I thought he was talking about the morality of using specific weapons. Next time you want to make a point, don't put words (especially war-crimey words) in my mouth so you can feel like you dunked on me. I stand by my point: gently caress you.
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Mr Crustacean posted:That's kinda the point I'm making. Lol what the gently caress is this are you using a posting personaTM?
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Godholio posted:I thought he was talking about the morality of using specific weapons. We were, people just apparently feel the need to storm into gip screaming "war is bad!! 1" occasionally, like we didnt all loving agree anyway. Aaaand it all stemmed from the bizarre idea that someone would feel anything when they get obliterated by a giant sword falling out of the sky like a loving meteor.
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Mr Crustacean posted:That's kinda the point I'm making. Hot take from the PLA defender.
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Mr Crustacean posted:That's kinda the point I'm making. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDPTqDk00r4
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Apparently the old Admiral Kuzy cooked off (again?) last night https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1205070211352805376 https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1205084559278252032 https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1205159970238554112
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Duke Chin posted:Apparently the old Admiral Kuzy cooked off (again?) last night https://twitter.com/AramShabanian/status/1205145552620376064
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Seen that so many times and just noticed the guy isn't wearing pants
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Thank you for this, couldn't find it last time I looked. Won't lose it again!
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Can anyone ID the 2 pairs of 8-wheeled vehicles at the 15 minute, 55 second time stamp? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AsnU3RVLGQ&t=955s
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mlmp08 posted:Can anyone ID the 2 pairs of 8-wheeled vehicles at the 15 minute, 55 second time stamp? They appear to be Panhard VBLs
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Yes, but the 8-wheeled vehicles.
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Ah yes. I don't read too good. I just spent way too long trying to ID it, and I'm coming up short. It looks like the type of light armored car the Germans like to build but with a radar mast. Maybe an air defense support vehicle? Mortar counter-battery radar?
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mlmp08 posted:Yes, but the 8-wheeled vehicles. https://defence-blog.com/news/middle-east-countries-expresses-interest-8x8-phantom-2-ugv.html maybe?
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I posted in the AirPower thread: Frinkahedron posted:https://www.janes.com/article/92700/dsei-japan-2019-barzan-holdings-showcases-multi-mission-ugv
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I come, I saww, I conquered
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