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Kraftwerk posted:Yeah I have a good friend in the UK that I've known for years who lives in St Albans. He tells me the entire cadre of boomers who are voting this election do not really trust or believe in the UK Government's ability to deliver on any of its promises including the majority of the Labor manifesto. He cites past failures to protect greenbelts, failure to deliver on promised investments in infrastructure and a lack of limits to migration. Don't worry, the Tories aren't getting a majority. The best they can hope for is a hung parliament that allows them to totter on a little longer before they're brought down and we have another election. A more likely result is Labour winning and forming the next government. The tricks have been shocking, and some of them have been effective, but they won't be enough.  
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namesake posted:The media is a business like any other, it is self interested in its own existence above any other motivation and exists as a propagandist or flatterer for the bourgeoisie as a means of survival. Once we prove their internal and constantly self referencing narrative as incompatible with a fair and decent society it will be swept away and replaced by other means of sharing information and actually criticise the oppressive structures we live under. Sadly that's a real uphill struggle and a right pain in the arse to do. The biggest irony about the optimism of the “Information Age” is that we now have access to all of humanity’s collective knowledge at the touch of a button. Rather than making us smarter these algorithms have contributed to disinformation, tribalism, polarization of political thought and the peddling of ridiculous conspiracy theories. Even the most educated people have limited attention spans and who can get you to pay attention matters more than the content of your message. I don’t think Brexit or Donald Trump would’ve been possible in the 1990s or in an era where the Internet wasn’t commingled with observable reality and day to day life. “The Internet makes you stupid” seems almost prophetic now.
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Joris Bohnson posted:There was a big baby boom.
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Kraftwerk posted:The biggest irony about the optimism of the “Information Age” is that we now have access to all of humanity’s collective knowledge at the touch of a button. Rather than making us smarter these algorithms have contributed to disinformation, tribalism, polarization of political thought and the peddling of ridiculous conspiracy theories. Even the most educated people have limited attention spans and who can get you to pay attention matters more than the content of your message. I don't think this really tracks with the people who have spent most of their lives with the internet being far more left wing and far less swayed by the lovely old media. I think it is very hard to look at the internet and say it's worse then what came before. All of those things you list existed well before the internet did, and informed people's politics too.
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Chuka Umana posted:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/its-a-brexit-boris-johnson-predicts-british-baby-boom-v93jqmjxp quote:In an interview with the Sunday Times, the prime minister claimed that “Cupid’s darts will fly once we get Brexit done” and “romance will bloom across the whole nation”. He said there had been a baby boom “after the Olympics, as I correctly prophesied in a speech in 2012”.
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Kraftwerk posted:The biggest irony about the optimism of the “Information Age” is that we now have access to all of humanity’s collective knowledge at the touch of a button. Rather than making us smarter these algorithms have contributed to disinformation, tribalism, polarization of political thought and the peddling of ridiculous conspiracy theories. Even the most educated people have limited attention spans and who can get you to pay attention matters more than the content of your message. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives us abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much, and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More that cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities life will be violent, and all will be lost. The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all. That criticism isn't new, it's the fact that the left hasn't won yet that's the problem not the level of technological development in society.
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So it doesn't seem like things are going well across the pond, huh. Hopefully Labor can keep them from a majority and the friction of Brexit will force another election before long?
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Gonzo McFee posted:50 kg of sweaty grey mince being slammed about in a dying cement mixer. Kraftwerk posted:I don’t think Brexit or Donald Trump would’ve been possible in the 1990s or in an era where the Internet wasn’t commingled with observable reality and day to day life. *And the Mail on Sunday, but that's mostly because they have to take a contradictory position to the Mail.
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Apraxin posted:Ah yes, the baby boom in 2012 that was famously caused by the Olympics that took place in July and August of 2012, I am a serious journalist and understand how pregancies work. Well given how the Olympic Village is it wasn't from lack of trying
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Gonzo McFee posted:Bodies like rotting butchers counters slapping off of each other and making noises like 50 kg of sweaty grey mince being slammed about in a dying cement mixer. Because they don't have to hear Polish anymore. Thanks, I hate it.
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If you held the election on twitter it'd be a 200 strong labour majority IMO.
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Yer auld Da, Winnie the Poohing it in the front garden with the strongest erection he's had since he was 18, his dick barely poking out under his beer gut like the nose of a malnourished rabbit poking its head out of the den in spring, asking who's gonna sook it because we crashed out of the single market.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think this really tracks with the people who have spent most of their lives with the internet being far more left wing and far less swayed by the lovely old media. The Internet has allowed the left wing movements to do an end-run around the suppression they’ve endured since the Reagan-Thatcher era. I agree with you. But it also gave birth to the alt-right. For every left winger you got on the Internet you also got 3 people who believe literally anything they see on YouTube or another platform. My father bless his soul fell for YouTube conspiracy theories about Planet X/Nibiru slamming into the Earth and he started stockpiling bottled water and canned foods before my mom and I talked him out of it. For those of us on the losing end of society it’s easy to lockdown our views toward left wing politics when we’re essentially identical to the generation that was born in the 1920s and grew up in the depression. If we go online we will gravitate towards places and forums where like minded people will reinforce our beliefs and ease our fears and insecurities about a conservative society. Our enemies on the right do the same and their bar for entry is far lower than ours.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Bodies like rotting butchers counters slapping off of each other and making noises like 50 kg of sweaty grey mince being slammed about in a dying cement mixer. Because they don't have to hear Polish anymore. I think I agree with Jaeluni and this sort of thing comes under appearancechat making people feel poo poo about themselves if they fall into the group described or feel they might do. I'm really tired so I can't really be eloquent or anything. No hostility from me, but I think this is what I think. Sleep time 
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Gonzo McFee posted:Yer auld Da, Winnie the Poohing it in the front garden with the strongest erection he's had since he was 18, his dick barely poking out under his beer gut like the nose of a malnourished rabbit poking its head out of the den in spring, asking who's gonna sook it because we crashed out of the single market. Christ, it’s too real. I think I met this guy when canvassing last time round
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OwlFancier posted:If you held the election on twitter it'd be a 200 strong labour majority IMO. Braggart posted:I think I agree with Jaeluni and this sort of thing comes under appearancechat making people feel poo poo about themselves if they fall into the group described or feel they might do. It's not really body shaming when you're not talking about a specific person and this wouldn't have come about if Boris wasn't being horny on main again. I give it a pass I think. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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But the right has always done that, and always had the advantage when it mobilizes because it's funded by the rich and liberals both don't really care about it and are systemically incapable of opposing it. People who are not immersed in an environment that necessitates an alternative explanation for the state of the world will treat politics like a game, and pursue stupid ideas because it doesn't really matter to them, they're looking for something that they can pretend matters because they want to believe in some sort of meaning or great struggle, so they latch onto whatever sounds fantastical enough. People who do need an explanation but are insulated from a left wing one will also pursue stupid conspiracies because the right tries to recruit them that way. But they always have. Liberal society favours the far right. The existence of a space for us, partly insulated from the media monoliths that sway many other people, that's good for us, and worse for them than the alternative. If you take the internet out of the picture, what do you have? The complete dominance of the far right press? Leftism relegated to whatever communications it can scrape together outside the media landscape? The internet lets us speak to each other internationally, to see a more complete picture of the world than we ever would through the press, and we can use it to organize comprehensive lenses through which to view the world and spread information, developed from the bottom up, by us. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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Braggart posted:I think I agree with Jaeluni and this sort of thing comes under appearancechat making people feel poo poo about themselves if they fall into the group described or feel they might do. +1 If we can deal with sounding chat, I think we can not make lovely jokes about older people liking to gently caress. And dear god do they like to gently caress, there are some scary articles out there about care homes. E: Have something we can all agree on https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1203769376626954240
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Braggart posted:I think I agree with Jaeluni and this sort of thing comes under appearancechat making people feel poo poo about themselves if they fall into the group described or feel they might do. Old people being horny is funny to me, Gonzo McFee, the boy with the body that resembles a Pro Wrestler in his 50s when the drink and drugs catch up. 
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OwlFancier posted:But the right has always done that, and always had the advantage when it mobilizes because it's funded by the rich and liberals both don't really care about it and are systemically incapable of opposing it. I see your point. A lot of the original press companies were just a mouthpiece for the wealthy or for the governments of their founding years. Propaganda predated actual news. I may have been too hasty with my argument about the internet. After all by that same logic, it would be like saying the printing press strengthened the control the catholic church had over Europe when it did the opposite in the long run. Being left wing always requires more effort than being right wing. Without information, without objective self criticism and awareness, its just easy to be right wing. The arguments are digestible and make sense in an information vacuum. They make strong emotional, instinctive appeals. Its easier to find solidarity with people who have the same skin colour or accent as you... etc.. To try and organize people along lofty ideological lines is not as easy as the more parochial reasons people organize around it requires you to ignore the easy paths of least resistance. It also requires finding resources and a voice in a society where all the resources, platforms, guns and force is controlled by the people you stand against. Kinda makes me wonder if the reason why the USSR became so insular, paranoid and repressive was because the west dedicated every tool at it's disposal to destroying it.
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Why does Johnson want a baby boom anyway? If he's slashing the NHS and child/social services then surely that's the last thing you want. Or is it that alt-right poo poo where you need 100,000 extra poor malnourished unwanted children every year to keep the West because [fash bullshit]?
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Guavanaut posted:Why does Johnson want a baby boom anyway? If he's slashing the NHS and child/social services then surely that's the last thing you want. "Population shift"
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Really positive day canvassing! I can see what people mean when they say it’s slightly addicting. Kind of wish I could keep on doing this. I guess it also feels good because I’m out there with a Labour rosette and making no secret of my stance - in a lot of situations I can often downplay my stance, bring no attention to it because I don’t want to get into arguments with people. I’m no good with arguments. I often get sad and upset if I’m in one. There’s something about meeting people I know I agree with, going out with them, working together and being a friendly face at the door that’s really exhilarating - and yeah, sometimes you get that one person who wants to debate you with a very set-in stance. It’s been easier than I thought to take the angle of “Put across a few good points, if they’re not convinced, don’t worry and move on”. As long as I keep polite and friendly at the door that might be worth a bonus point or two in my favour. Maybe. Next election I’m definitely doing this from day one. Hopefully next election will be to keep a Labour majority for five more years!
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The semi-international nature of the internet also makes it harder to feel like you're part of a group of people with the same accent or skin colour. You have far more access to information, people, and ideas outside of that. You can't effectively ban things from the internet, you can't exercise overt social control the way nations try. The USSR's isolationism absolutely was influenced by the fact everyone else was trying to kill it, which is why I think the new left cannot help but be international, because our societies are too interconnected for it not to be.
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Gwaint posted:Really positive day canvassing! I can see what people mean when they say it’s slightly addicting. Kind of wish I could keep on doing this. I guess it also feels good because I’m out there with a Labour rosette and making no secret of my stance - in a lot of situations I can often downplay my stance, bring no attention to it because I don’t want to get into arguments with people. I’m no good with arguments. I often get sad and upset if I’m in one. Most places, as far as I know, do canvassing even outside of an election. If you really like it you can probably do it all year round.
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Fun though it is to laugh at older people bumping uglies, you should be more ready to point out that people who support Johnson and the Tories aren't hideous because of their physical appearance, they're hideous because their souls are made of boiled dogshit poured into a mold of swastikas.
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Guavanaut posted:Why does Johnson want a baby boom anyway? If he's slashing the NHS and child/social services then surely that's the last thing you want. To work against the Great Replacement, naturally. (plz note to any MI5ers; this is parody in that I myself do not believe in such grotesquely anti-Semitic dross)
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Kraftwerk posted:The Internet has allowed the left wing movements to do an end-run around the suppression they’ve endured since the Reagan-Thatcher era. I agree with you. Not actually true though. The alt-right is noisy as gently caress but that's because making GBS threads out a lot of noise on the Internet is extremely easy, and that's before you even account for bots. If you look at the political views of Millennials overall, we're strongly leftwing. Gen Z is even moreso, they're one bad day away from straight up Bolshevism. Yeah, the olds might be taken in by whatever dipshit memes are going around Facebook this week, but they were always smoothbrains we would struggle to reach. The right is staring down the barrel of a gun. The old world is ending. These are all the paroxysms of a dying order that knows it has run out of air, but has no alternatives and no new ideas. They retrench ever-deeper into nationalism, racism, sexism, queerphobia, and every other form of bigotry, because it's all they have left to offer. Feldegast42 posted:So it doesn't seem like things are going well across the pond, huh. Hopefully Labor can keep them from a majority and the friction of Brexit will force another election before long? Dunno what you've been reading but no, it's looking reasonably positive. Labour has huge energy and hope, the Tories are radioactive, and the Lib Dems have sabotaged themselves so badly they may end up worse off than 2015, most of those votes going to Labour instead. Guavanaut posted:Please don't disclose TJ's trade secrets. You shall rescind this slander that I know was posted specifically and solely to draw my ire, and draw it you have.
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Tesseraction posted:Fun though it is to laugh at older people bumping uglies, you should be more ready to point out that people who support Johnson and the Tories aren't hideous because of their physical appearance, they're hideous because their souls are made of boiled dogshit poured into a mold of swastikas. Anne Widcombe with her ankles behind her ears, ready to give it up for Brexit, getting her fanny like a chlorinated chicken straight from the can absolutely torn up by Jacob Rees Moggs in a full gimp suit, only recognisable because his nanny sits patiently in the corner of the room reading Nigel Farage's autobiography aloud. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Tesseraction posted:Fun though it is to laugh at older people bumping uglies, you should be more ready to point out that people who support Johnson and the Tories aren't hideous because of their physical appearance, they're hideous because their souls are made of boiled dogshit poured into a mold of swastikas. I continue to find it hard to separate. These are people who are turning out en-masse to take away my future, my life, and they'll do it with a grin, with glee, with a self assured "oh it doesn't really matter does it" and a blind certainty that everything they've ever done is completely correct. And it's entirely probable that they will go to their graves fat and happy without any hint of doubt, remorse, or suffering to teach them otherwise. And I am discovering new depths and richnesses of hatred in response. I thought I understood it pretty well to be honest, I've had a lot of reason to hate in life, but this is really giving me a new appreciation for how complex and nuanced hatred can be, how completely you can feel it. It's a little paralysing to be honest. It requires so much of your faculties simply to experience the feeling that you're left with no real impetus to act on it. I find myself hoping hell is real, to be honest. Because there simply isn't anything I could do in life that would map to the level of hatred I have for these people. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:The semi-international nature of the internet also makes it harder to feel like you're part of a group of people with the same accent or skin colour. You have far more access to information, people, and ideas outside of that. You can't effectively ban things from the internet, you can't exercise overt social control the way nations try. Strongly agree with this. It's why I'm hoping that one good victory will help bolster others - if the Absolute Boy gets into No. 10 this week it's going to be a huge boost to the left pretty much everywhere, but most especially I think, Bernie. I also think the left needs to start thinking about how to really boost the idea of working towards the abolition of borders, which is something that's really going to need the long haul approach, but full-on internationalism is the only way any more.
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OwlFancier posted:I continue to find it hard to separate. Who would prefer to spend a romantic dinner with?  
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No idea who either of them are but I've been laughed at by enough people looking like the former that I now have an instinctive aversion towards them.
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It's Glenda Jackson and Madeleina "EU Supergirl" McKay
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Angepain posted:pull up, thread More like pull out, thread
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OwlFancier posted:Looked up jackson and apparently she's responsible for dan hodges. She was a sex symbol who later dropped out of television and modelling to advocate heavily for socialism as an MP
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