Braggart posted:

TACD posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1203940035210428417

ThEyRe BoTh ThE SaMe

Apraxin posted:

C'mon lads and lasses, we can still make this real, we can still help Chairman Corbyn put a giant flag that says LABOUR on top of Westminster Palace.

TACD posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1203940035210428417

ThEyRe BoTh ThE SaMe

Camrath posted:

Loving the 10:1 ratio.

Azza Bamboo posted:

Jeremy destroys the Anglican church, leaving moderate Brits spiritually homeless.

Pesky Splinter posted:

Watching Kuenssberg eat poo poo if Corbyn gets in would be pretty great. She looked aghast in 2017


Inshallah.

Tesseraction posted:

Someone told me this thread is taking the black pill this morning. First of all the black people should mean ANARCHY. Second of all I feel ya, it's nerve-wracking as we are now 96 hours away from socialism or barbarism.

TACD posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1203940035210428417

ThEyRe BoTh ThE SaMe

Tesseraction posted:

https://twitter.com/Jack_Blanchard_/status/1203937775122300928

Tesseraction posted:

https://twitter.com/Jack_Blanchard_/status/1203937775122300928

ThomasPaine posted:

That survation poll has really thrown me lads and I'm dangerously close to despair. Someone please provide a reassuring counterpoint...

radmonger posted:

Polls attempt to measure people switching their vote between parties. In a normal election, this works pretty well.

Rightly or wrongly, this election Labour have put nearly 100% of their efforts not into trying to switch voters to them, but into turnout measure; getting non-voters to vote.

Because turnout can only be assumed, not measured, this means that no one will know how well it has worked until the 12th. Labour could be on track for a 100 seat majority, or about to collapse to 100 seats. Either way, the polls, even the fair ones, would be about where they are now.

So get out there and campaign hard, and in the absolute worst case we will have found out something worth knowing about whether that strategy works.

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

In 2017 Labour came just 800k votes shy of the total that gave Blair his 97 landslide. Millions upon millions of people are going to be voting Labour, regardless of how our stupid electoral system makes things shake out. Whatever happens, stay angry and keep demanding a voice in parliament. They are literally relying on the 'cult of Corbyn' being a passing fad.

Chuff McNothing posted:

a proper bbc editor?

Irony Be My Shield posted:

Regardless of whether the polls are right or not you shouldn't be staking your self worth or mental health on the outcome of a national election that you ultimately do not have much control over. It will be bad if the Tories win but you should keep living and doing your best to mitigate the consequences. No-one said that effecting genuine societal change would be quick or easy.

mfcrocker posted:

It's worth knowing your strategy if things go badly on Thursday - for me, I'll just be going on a solid break

Communist Thoughts posted:

Do the people panicking at the polls imagine that if labour were ahead the polls would actually reflect that? Why?

Even if they had the methodology to capture that, which they don't, they'd just be correcting them because to them its an impossibility.

quote:

McDonnell says the Labour’s opponents hate the people of this country.

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There will always be those at the top who will do anything to stop us - we’ve seen character assassinations, lies and smears taken to a new level ...

When they attack me, or Jeremy, we know it’s not really about us. It’s about you, they hate the people of this country.

They think – and I quote the prime minister – that you’re drunk and criminal, they hate the idea you might dream of a better life. They hate the idea you might want real change in how things have been done for so long, and a say in how things are done in future.

quote:

John McDonnell is now taking questions.

Q: Are you saying there are four days to save the planet?

McDonnell says the country is facing twin emergencies; the climate crisis, and a social emergency.

He refers to the boy forced to sleep on the floor of a hospital. That is why this election is about saving the NHS, he says.

And he says our grandchildren will not forgive us if we do not address the climate crisis.

Q: Would you definitely vote remain in a future referendum?

McDonnell says he cannot see a better deal than remain, but when Labour does bring its new Brexit deal back, he will make his assessment of it then.

ThomasPaine posted:

Whatever happens I'm going to see how deep into a bottle of whisky I can get

ThomasPaine posted:

Whatever happens I'm going to see how deep into a bottle of whisky I can get

quote:

gently caress Boris, Save the NHS
by Duncan Thomas | December 8, 2019


“The main thing I’m concerned about is that schools and universities are indoctrinating students about the Empire. They say it was just bad.”

When she answered the phone, I thought Kimberly at number 58 would be pretty difficult to talk round. Half an hour later, I’d learned that she’s a retired nurse who once considered herself a socialist; she’s concerned about her daughter’s tuition fees. We agree that the Tories don’t care if we burn in our houses. She will consider voting Labour.

“I don’t want to talk about it. I’m sick of being lied to. None of them mean anything they say.”

John at number 39 is angry and nearly slams the door; he’s not going to vote. We talk for fifteen minutes. He’s unemployed and will soon lose his home because of the bedroom tax. He wants Brexit at any cost and will probably vote for Boris. Does he want it more than he wants to stay in his home? We agree that the Tories don’t care if we die on the street. He holds his thumb and finger a millimetre apart: he’s this close to voting Labour.

“I’ve voted all my life for Labour, but never for that man. I’ll never vote for Corbyn”.

David and his wife are both elderly; they are considering voting for the local independent candidate, a man who has faced over two dozen charges of child molestation. Do you hate Corbyn more than you need the NHS? Because, to be blunt with you, that’s the decision you have to make. We agree that the Tories don’t care if we die waiting for a hospital appointment. He will seriously think about voting Labour.

“I don’t have time for this. Honestly, they’re all as bad as each other. Nothing ever changes”.

Her young son answers the door first. She asks him to turn the telly down. Twenty minutes later we agree that Labour councils are generally awful, and that the Tories don’t care if our children grow up without enough food to eat. She will vote Labour.

Sutton-in-Ashfield is an ex-mining town. There used to be a large brewery. It’s now the constituency with the highest support for No Deal anywhere in the UK. Everyone has a dog. A lot of people are quite old.

The most common response to a door knock or a phone call is bitterness and disillusionment, sometimes inflected with aggression.

People do not want to talk.

People say they don’t care about politics, but they do: they care about their houses and their roads and their schools and their hospitals.

People know and understand more than you might think they do.

There is a residual working class culture and sensibility. You can be blunt and straightforward and honest with people, and if you refuse to give up until they slam the door in your face, you can make an impact. The older women start calling you “duck”.

Use swear words. Talk about class politics. Talk about the Tories not as your opponents, but as your enemies. Because they are, and everyone loving knows it. Boris Johnson is a blathering moron who couldn’t give a poo poo about how you live, or how you die.

You can see people’s faces change. They are shocked that someone is speaking to them like this on the doorstep. They agree. They reassure me that there is a solid majority in this country for a decent and humane and caring society, even if you have to dig a little to get there.

We all hate the Lib Dems.

Don’t walk away the first time someone says they don’t want to talk. Be confident in the politics you’re representing. Rip Tony Blair to shreds; what exactly the gently caress was the Labour Party for until Corbyn came along? Don’t stop talking until people shut the door in your face. It doesn’t actually take that long to go from someone not wanting to give you the time of day to them giving you a big smile as you wish them solidarity and a nice evening. You too, duck. gently caress Boris, save the NHS.

I’m not confident we’ll win this, and I’m even less confident about what happens if we do. But I know what happens if we lose, and so do people here.

Chuff McNothing posted:

I have my work christmas do on thursday. That'll be a fun one