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Looking Glass' characterization was as someone who made his life miserable because of hyper paranoia and running/hiding from things that could hurt him. He had his belief system shattered, and learned about a SECOND massive conspiracy. Instead of doing something about it, he tries to protect himself and Angela in a cowardly way and it blows up in his face. It would be disappointing narratively if that arc ends with "and then he kept running".
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MaoistBanker posted:Do you think the scene in the main hall of Karnak was actually filmed with Manhattan and Ozy together and if so how long did Jeremy Irons have to stare at that hog Based on the Blue Angela poster, Manhattan saying that the 7th Kavalry succeed in their plan, and the way Lady Trieu talks during her conversation with the farmers, they're all getting Manhattan's powers somehow
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Dec 9, 2019 19:37
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Wild T posted:Calling it now: Dr. Manhattan gives Angela the blue waffle. It would work if Ep. 8 wasn't so explicit about her just another fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Dec 9, 2019 |
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Dec 9, 2019 19:39
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Tender Bender posted:Looking Glass' characterization was as someone who made his life miserable because of hyper paranoia and running/hiding from things that could hurt him. He had his belief system shattered, and learned about a SECOND massive conspiracy. Instead of doing something about it, he tries to protect himself and Angela in a cowardly way and it blows up in his face. It would be disappointing narratively if that arc ends with "and then he kept running". That's the thing about looking glass. You see in him what you see in yourself! Not unlike how mirrors & ink blot tests work
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Dec 9, 2019 19:39
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:But anything he does at this point is fan service since he has had one of the few completed character arcs on the show so far In addition to all the other stuff people have dunked on you about, this part isn't even true because it's unresolved from Angela's perspective why he turned on her, and if he is going to try and make it up to her/do something with his newfound knowledge. "He got out of dodge" isn't a bad explanation at all fwiw but I don't think it's necessarily in character for a guy who voluntarily puts his life in danger as a masked cop to just be like "welp there's a vast racist conspiracy operating in my department, better flee and assume a new identity without bothering to warn anybody". The opposite character trait was established with the whole scene where he followed 7K members into a building without backup. GoGoGadgetChris posted:LG influences her story exactly once but apart from that his journey is just the Black Freighter of the TV show lol literally every non-core storyline at this point has been described as "the Black Freighter of the TV show" I also like you hedging with "if Lindelof is a good writer he won't do this thing that I am predicting he won't do" lol
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Dec 9, 2019 19:41
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You're extremely bad at watching this show holy poo poo
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:That's the thing about looking glass. You see in him what you see in yourself!
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Dec 9, 2019 19:42
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Guy A. Person posted:You're extremely bad at watching this show holy poo poo
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Dec 9, 2019 19:42
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if stealing a dead guy from the morgue and engaging in twenty years of identity theft ain't love, I'm not sure what is. sister night loved the blue man first. I am going to be very upset if I have to point out that yes, they had to disappear the body as well
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Dec 9, 2019 19:44
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:That's the thing about looking glass. You see in him what you see in yourself! I guess LG's "pod" or whatever is meant to get people's inner beasts to come roaring out of them like a wild animal. The pod is this story's Roar Shack.
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Dec 9, 2019 19:45
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Well this thread is finally busted. The tachyons are fuckin with y'alls brains or somethin
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just another posted:I figure that's what's going to happen but it seems like a really dumb idea because Angela loved the human Cal and not the god Dr. Manhattan, so why would she volunteer to become like him? Maybe it's a necessary sacrifice to save the day, but then if Manhattan is in a position to transubstantiate some food for her, he's probably in a position to do the saving himself. Except it's been foreshadowed heavily that Angela *won't* like the end result, which is why it's more likely that it happens. It also lets the character have some form of penance for the whole Vietnam thing. Would be great, imo, if the show starts down this route and Trieu fucks it up for everyone somehow.
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Dec 9, 2019 19:52
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Guy A. Person posted:In addition to all the other stuff people have dunked on you about, this part isn't even true because it's unresolved from Angela's perspective why he turned on her, and if he is going to try and make it up to her/do something with his newfound knowledge. This is a great personal take on the LG arc! Certainly not what I saw but I don't think you can be objectively right about it, any more than you can say what color a mirror is And I don't have any hedged bets, I just have what I think will happen and what I hope will happen 
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Dec 9, 2019 19:55
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How many times do you think Dr. Manhattan has picked up women by telling them they're going to fall in love in The Future and then he teleports out of her bedroom while she's sleeping after they seal the deal. I bet it's a lot.
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Wild T posted:He mentions they'll have ten years, then a tragedy but never spoke any further. Nothing in his dialogue makes it absolutely certain that he or Angela won't survive the encounter, and the idea of the heroes travelling to the den of the antagonist shrouded by tachyons before a major disaster is set up to be mirrored perfectly. He's been doing that for ten years
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Dec 9, 2019 19:55
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Weedle posted:How many times do you think Dr. Manhattan has picked up women by telling them they're going to fall in love in The Future and then he teleports out of her bedroom while she's sleeping after they seal the deal. I bet it's a lot. The real reason he stopped wearing clothes is that he realized they weren't maximally efficient to his goal of laying pipe 24/7.
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Dec 9, 2019 20:00
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Weedle posted:How many times do you think Dr. Manhattan has picked up women by telling them they're going to fall in love in The Future and then he teleports out of her bedroom while she's sleeping after they seal the deal. I bet it's a lot. Dr Manhattan after 30 years of watching skinny white ladies age: I'm tired of this Earth, these people. I'm tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives. I'm tired of staring at dead things Dr Manhattan after seeing Angela Reeves looking dummy thicc in uniform: hunnnngggggggh I have SEEN the promised land, God is real, put the particle cannon to my head and PULL. THE TRIGGER for there are no more WORLDS to conquer
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Dec 9, 2019 20:00
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Dr Manhattan after 30 years of watching skinny white ladies age: I'm tired of this Earth, these people. I'm tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives. I'm tired of staring at dead things Last scene is a thicc, lewd, blu and nude Angela walking away from the camera after obtaining Manhattan powers. As her butt cheeks rock from side to side, cue "God is a Woman" by Ariana Grande.
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Dec 9, 2019 20:05
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Wild T posted:I missed a very subtle exchange last episode but caught it in this episode's opening recap. You'll only get it if you watch with closed captioning on. When Angela is brandishing the hammer at Cal, she begins to call him Jon, spelled properly in the subtitles. When Cal responds, the subtitles read "My name isn't John." He uses the more common spelling because he doesn't realize who she's talking about. This is way back, but the subtitles for the "previously on" used 'JoHn' in both places, both from Angela and Cal. The rest of the episode uses the correct spelling. I believe Episode 7 itself used 'Jon' during that seen.
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Dec 9, 2019 20:08
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cowbeef posted:Last scene is a thicc, lewd, blu and nude Angela walking away from the camera after obtaining Manhattan powers. As her butt cheeks rock from side to side, cue "God is a Woman" by Ariana Grande. This season, cowbeef is a writer on our show.
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Dec 9, 2019 20:11
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upgunned shitpost posted:I am going to be very upset if I have to point out that yes, they had to disappear the body as well Ashes over Saigon GoGoGadgetChris posted:This is a great personal take on the LG arc! Certainly not what I saw but I don't think you can be objectively right about it, any more than you can say what color a mirror is Lmao, GGGChris you're a weird poster sometimes but lmao at least you're being fun about it
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Dec 9, 2019 20:17
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I don't normally hang out in TVIV, was the thread for the last season of sherlock this funny
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I feel like the show would have been much better without Dr Manhattan. Center it around the Hooded Justice reveal, Angela's development, etc. Just tell a story in the weird Watchmen universe. The episode was great in a bottle. Actors nail the scenes, music is perfect, camera work is great. I mean that last full scene was terrific. It's just that when you pull back and look at the whole story, it doesn't work. How are a bunch of redneck Tulsans able to stop him when no one else has been able to? Reminds me a bit of Sorkin television where everything is so well done except the writing is poo poo. Also for all the money they put into special effects in this show, Manhattan looked like something you'd find on a cheesy SyFy or WB show. Looked real low budget.
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Also he's going to transfer powers to Angela through the pool. Or she's going to need to walk on water for something.
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Weedle posted:How many times do you think Dr. Manhattan has picked up women by telling them they're going to fall in love in The Future and then he teleports out of her bedroom while she's sleeping after they seal the deal. I bet it's a lot. I feel like that misses out on a key element of Doc's patterns, which is that he always goes for the ones that at some point hate his loving guts. I feel like going after Angela specifically, after the series of events leading up to their meeting, which Angela lays out during their first encounter, is the tell that he's just doing it for the thermodynamic miracle.
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If I have a complaint is that what at first was a show about a nice wide "what if" world is quickly turning into a "the main characters are the only ones existing in the world" kind of show. I still like the show, but weirdly enough, widening the scope of the story to global threats/conspiracy has made the show's world feel smaller than when it was still in the "mask killer" analogue part.
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Hilario Baldness posted:I'm guessing Veidt helped make Jon into Cal in exchange for his own utopia on Europa, sick of the fact that his egalitarian utopia experiment didn't pan out after 1985 and all that transpired. I mean they call him master for gently caress's sake. He gifts his company to Trieu for helping, he won't need it after that. My aim wasn't terrible.
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My other IIMM is that Dr. Manhattan was supposed to leave our galaxy to create his new Eden, but instead he went to Europa cause we needed Veidt to be able to communicate/be rescued by someone on Earth.
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Niwrad posted:I feel like the show would have been much better without Dr Manhattan. Center it around the Hooded Justice reveal, Angela's development, etc. Just tell a story in the weird Watchmen universe. lol ok you just don't get watchmen the entire point of the character of dr manhattan is that power fantasy is ultimately unfulfilling, because even absolute power attained is unsatisfying. you don't understand the story because you've missed it. that's okay not everything is for everybody
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Niwrad posted:Also he's going to transfer powers to Angela through the pool. Or she's going to need to walk on water for something. She's going to eat a waffle and then walk on the pool to confirm for herself it worked, and then she's going to teleport
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The surest sign that someone doesn't "get" Watchmen is when they say it to someone else
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This is why Calvinists were driven out of Europe
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crazy cloud posted:lol ok you just don't get watchmen This show is too smart for you people I insist as the KKK fires up their mind control gun
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Dec 9, 2019 21:02
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Wolfsheim posted:This show is too smart for you people I insist as the KKK fires up their mind control gun big hillary clinton in october 2016 energy here
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Dec 9, 2019 21:03
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It kinda owns that even the two best episodes of the show have one absolutely dumb thing each In the HJ episode it's that the KKK came up with mind control tech in the 30s only for it to never ever be used or developed or mentioned ever again outside of one very specific instance 90 years later, and in the LG episode its that Adrian recorded mycrimes.mov and sent it to the empty-suit actor president he was using to further his goals and just kinda assumed he could keep the secret
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TV IV: The Point of HBO's Watchmen may be lost on you without a base understanding of the source material and, more importantly, Kafka's Metamorphosis. Kierkegaard's influences are also clear in the existential horror & selfless martyrdom of the Dr Manhattan Christ-figure The Rest Of God's Green Earth: 
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Wolfsheim posted:This show is too smart for you people I insist as the KKK fires up their mind control gun Let’s stick to reality based plot lines like teleporting a giant psychic squid to convince everyone we are being invaded from another dimension. I want more ground-level guys, like how a smelly psychotic hobo can scale skyscrapers with his grappling gun. For Pete’s sake, enough with the Dr Manhattan poo poo. He was barely in the book. Certainly he has nothing to do with what it’s really about, a murder mystery involving the Comedian. /s
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Dec 9, 2019 21:09
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:TV IV: The Point of HBO's Watchmen may be lost on you without a base understanding of the source material and, more importantly, Kafka's Metamorphosis. Kierkegaard's influences are also clear in the existential horror & selfless martyrdom of the Dr Manhattan Christ-figure Nieuw Amsterdam posted:Let’s stick to reality based plot lines like teleporting a giant psychic squid to convince everyone we are being invaded from another dimension. ok great job everybody. together, we made the thread good again
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Dec 9, 2019 21:10
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That guy really does have a huge dick. I can't stop thinking about it.
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