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Tomberforce posted:Has anyone got any better strategies for dealing with patronising Tory family members telling me that I don't remember the 70s and the 3 day week and that I should never vote Labour as a consequence? The 3 day week happened under a Tory government.
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Dec 10, 2019 00:13
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jabby posted:The video of Johnson from today is up to 7.3 million views on twitter. https://twitter.com/maplecocaine/status/1080665226410889217
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Dec 10, 2019 00:13
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unwantedplatypus posted:Also, is there actually a branch of zionism that isn't a colonial project? I recall from a Facebook argument that there are branches that amount to wanting Israel to be an egalitarian, secular state with universal religious protections. If you get into "why does this state have to be called Israel" then at that point I'm hard pressed to find a distinction why Israel is more or less legitimate or a colonial project than any other nation state.
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Tomberforce posted:Has anyone got any better strategies for dealing with patronising Tory family members telling me that I don't remember the 70s and the 3 day week and that I should never vote Labour as a consequence?
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Dec 10, 2019 00:19
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y'know i'll say that the discussion in this thread around that labour antisemitism article was interesting and worth having, I saw that article the other day and didn't really know what to think about it. i mean, it does clearly come from a genuine place on the part of the author and she does at least claim that the antisemitism in labour is due to incompetence rather than evil scheming, which is at least a better way to approach it than your actual right-wing concern trolls on the subject. I do worry sometimes that the mockery of jeremy corbyn antisemitism claims sometimes comes across as mockery of the general existence of antisemitism and/or mocking the idea that it is a problem. not specifically thinking about this forum but in general. i don't know how to introduce the concept of nuance to twitter gags but. i'm not sure this post is really saying anything much in particular. vote jam grandad 2019
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Dec 10, 2019 00:21
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Tomberforce posted:Has anyone got any better strategies for dealing with patronising Tory family members telling me that I don't remember the 70s and the 3 day week and that I should never vote Labour as a consequence? If you are in a position to, you don't let them see their grandchildren ever again
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Dec 10, 2019 00:21
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Tomberforce posted:Has anyone got any better strategies for dealing with patronising Tory family members telling me that I don't remember the 70s and the 3 day week and that I should never vote Labour as a consequence? The three-day week happened under Ted Heath's Conservative government, which single-handedly broke the postwar economic model over its knee by cutting taxes during a bubble in order to inflate it further and keep the government running based on the revenue from that. When the bubble popped, the massively overexposed British economy went down with it and they'd cut too many revenue-generators to repair state services. They proceeded to start cutting government workers' salaries to control inflation (which was rising due to the now-popped cheap oil bubble raising costs across the country), and because they were in the middle of a financial crash, this made those workers very, very angry - they'd suddenly gone from lovable wages to unlivable ones. Basically, the Seventies were mainly the fault of a Tory paedophile's hubris.
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Dec 10, 2019 00:23
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Tomberforce posted:Has anyone got any better strategies for dealing with patronising Tory family members telling me that I don't remember the 70s and the 3 day week and that I should never vote Labour as a consequence? "No, I don't, but I remember the 2010s and how awful they have been for my entire generation."
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Dec 10, 2019 00:23
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"I've heard all the horror stories about the 70s, and I'd still take it in a heartbeat over what we have now."
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Chuff McNothing posted:If you are in a position to, you don't let them see their grandchildren ever again Welp I did say if Labour win I would consider moving back from Australia!
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Dec 10, 2019 00:25
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You say genuine, I say worked backwards from a starting assumption to hype themselves up on unneeded feelings of betrayal and decided to write a self indulgent screed about it. Which I suppose is a form of genuineness but I don't think it makes up for being stupid.
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Edison was a dick posted:I recall from a Facebook argument that there are branches that amount to wanting Israel to be an egalitarian, secular state with universal religious protections. The current government of the current state known as Israel makes it hard to argue for that though. Not impossible, but any argument in a nuance-free space like Twitter risks conflating the two, in the same way that any broad opposition to the latter risks looking antisemitic through an uncharitable lens.
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Dec 10, 2019 00:26
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"I've heard all the horror stories about the 70s, and that's why I'm trying to vote the Tories out" Since the right are going to be running with this 'fake news' angle here's a source on where the photo came from: https://twitter.com/DSheridanYEP/status/1204140106736656384
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Dec 10, 2019 00:26
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oh god i just found "would you nationalise sausages" love this country and its news coverage
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Dec 10, 2019 00:29
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RockyB posted:Yeah, the 'where the gently caress is the Brexit party give me the proper paper' rage is going to be glorious to see. As long as you're not one of the ones who has to deal with it I guess. It's not a white power symbol, it's just the circle game
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Dec 10, 2019 00:29
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winegums posted:It's not a white power symbol, it's just the circle game It's a fascist dogwhistle, it has been for a few years now.
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Tough day canvassing in one of the worst areas we'd left until last as it wouldn't matter too much if we didn't get around to it, but had a few really good conversations and know for sure I got at least a couple more Labour votes secured.Tomberforce posted:Has anyone got any better strategies for dealing with patronising Tory family members telling me that I don't remember the 70s and the 3 day week and that I should never vote Labour as a consequence? Don't engage with those points directly if you're not familiar with the political background of the 70's. If you're ever trying to argue a position you're not hugely informed on, you can't effectively challenge the bullshit people will spout and if all they have is "Labour was bad 40+ years ago" then their arguments are poo poo anyway. Talk about what you're familiar with; what's great about the Labour Manifesto and what poo poo the Tory government of the last 9 years has been. The concepts that Labour in the 70's was so bad that it ripples out through time and space and infects all other instances of the Labour party that will ever exist is such loving nonsense to begin with that you shouldn't take the bait. unwantedplatypus posted:Also, is there actually a branch of zionism that isn't a colonial project? What exactly qualifies as zionism is a bit of a grey area. Someone could have a view they classify as Zionist that is just about sustaining Israel within the 49 or 67 borders without any further annexation or ethnic cleansing and without making non-Jews second class citizens, but most zionists would probably classify such a position as anti-zionist. To quote Chomsky: "I was deeply interested in ... Zionist affairs and activities – or what was then called 'Zionist,' though the same ideas and concerns are now called 'anti-Zionist.'" team overhead smash fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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Dec 10, 2019 00:33
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Guavanaut posted:It can just be the existence of a safe space for Jewish people outside of Europe, which has historical precedent for being useful. I can understand why there are people who may believe in the need for a Jewish state feel unfairly treated, because for the most part nobody questions other states that exist, at most we say "Countries shouldn't exist at all!" but Israel does come in for some very specific stick, like, other countries are fine but this particular one isn't. But the world we live in does have countries and most of those derive at least some nominal legitimacy from ethnic arguments, and, like there are other peoples who have an even more pressing argument for a state of their own for reasons of security but not many. However, there are major issues with that regarding Israel's location, the fate of non-Jews who were already there, conflating right-wing anti-semitism with left-wing anti-oppression-of-Palestine, and readiness by the Israeli right to try and play up fears of dangers to Jews in order to legitimize themselves and their projects.
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Dec 10, 2019 00:33
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The okay symbol is, but that's not the okay symbol, it's the circle game. This all seems like a stretch.
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Dec 10, 2019 00:33
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https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1204170286289084417 'The evil mother staged the photo for political purposes' and 'the innocent mother was distraught that the evil Corbyn politicized the photo' within the space of 30 minutes, the absolute state of allison pearson
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Dec 10, 2019 00:33
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Tomberforce posted:Has anyone got any better strategies for dealing with patronising Tory family members telling me that I don't remember the 70s and the 3 day week and that I should never vote Labour as a consequence? You can point out their owns are actually about the tory government but that won't win them round obviously Just try and make a positive case - that Labour is the only forward-thinking party, with an actual vision for lifting everyone up and taking the future and its challenges head on. The only party that recognises how badly the country has been failed, how things aren't working, and has the drive and ambition to actually change the way things are done and transform us into a modern, world-leading nation. To give younger generations not only hope for the future, but also turn it into an opportunity to create a successful, better, fairer, cleaner world The Tories are just spinning their wheels, refusing to look ahead, insisting they're right and know what they're doing while the country and economy crumble under their watch. The extent of their ambition is undoing some of the damage they've already caused in the past 10 years. If anyone's stuck in the past, it's them, and that's a hell of a lot more relevant than whatever happened 50 years ago (the Greens obviously have good policies too but "the only major party that has a chance of putting their agenda into action" y'know)
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Dec 10, 2019 00:35
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If she put the story to the newspaper in the first place why would she be annoyed about it... y'know... gaining national attention?
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Dec 10, 2019 00:36
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Tories and their cheerleaders are bricking it, it's nice to see.
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1204170286289084417 this is the best bit tho https://twitter.com/BJH80/status/1204179300846592000
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Dec 10, 2019 00:39
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She just wanted better hospital services, nothing political
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feeling very festive, might delete later
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The crisis actors were very unhappy to be killed in the mass shooting.
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CGI Stardust posted:feeling very festive, might delete later The Haribo and van strategy not panning out for Brendan, I see.
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Went to help out in Sourthport today, it was good! It ended up being leaflet pushing instead of door knocking, but the energy around the whole thing was really good. Met a nice guy on the train on the way up who unprompted out of nowhere started talking about how great Corbyn is, and the same from a guy in the station, who saw my sticker on the way back. I saw a lot more labour signs around than lib dem, and nothing from the tories. It felt good. Hopeful! Also 80% sure the dude I ended up with for the first round of leaflets was a goon. Yeah, I'm looking at you, dude wearing 8 shirts!
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Dec 10, 2019 00:43
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the people who have been peddling anti immigrant rhetoric for decades, leading to all sorts of hostility and hate crimes, are pretending to be upset that the bad labour man said Matt hancock is the sort of person we don't want in this country, doesn't he know you're only supposed to shout that at people for the crime of being foreign in public?? https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/1204124217349943296?s=20 if you didn't laugh you'd cry
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Hang on, I have more "Senior nursing sisters" at "Leeds hospital" https://twitter.com/BJH80/status/1204184658105253891
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Dec 10, 2019 00:44
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https://twitter.com/pengraiggoch/status/1204130509065842688?s=20 Loving this "A&E doctor" who can't tell the difference between a drip bag and a non-rebreather oxygen mask Also semi related to NHS funding - every ward I've worked on its not been unusual to see paperclips attached to curtain rails holding drip bags because there's not enough drip stands.
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Dec 10, 2019 00:48
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I really hope all this poo poo is enough to push us into hung parliament territory.
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Dec 10, 2019 00:50
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love that they can't quite decide which counter story they're going to try and push, so let's just do both! interesting that the fact it's faked and also the mother didn't want it publicised wasn't mentioned by Matt Hancock or the hospital management or Boris Johnson or literally anyone other than a million senior nursing sisters who don't know what hospital they work at
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Julio Cruz posted:holy poo poo she's 50 Socialism keeps you looking young, it is known.
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Little did you know that boris johnson's 50 thousand quantum nurses are all working at the mysterious leeds extradimensional hospital.
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Dec 10, 2019 00:53
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a wild journalist appears https://mobile.twitter.com/DSheridanYEP/status/1204140106736656384 imagine actually going to the trouble of researching your stories and talking to the people involved to make sure you've got your facts straight instead of just breathlessly reposting what someone tells you or you saw going viral on twitter, what a try hard XMNN fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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feedmegin posted:Socialism keeps you looking young, it is known. Can confirm, I got ID'd the other day. I think it was mostly because of my lovely scraggly face pubes but I'll let socialism take the credit.
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I can't get enough of are Dan