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There's a reason why, when Marvel was going bankrupt in the 90s and basically had a fire sale for all the movie rights, Spider-Man and X-Men sold quickly and no one wanted to buy Avengers.
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Zachack posted:Not even the old Lee stuff? You mean the Lee/Heck stuff?  It really isn't good since Avengers has been a "shove whatever we have left over in here" book right from the start. There's a brief moment of fun when all of the Avengers quit and Captain America recruits supervillains to be the new Avengers, but Lee isn't great at handling the interesting aspects of that.
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This is reminding me that I really need to get back to my project to read through all of Marvel in order from Fantastic Four #1 through whenever I decide to cutoff(probably sometime in the early 90's)
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I just want everyone to know that I'm sorry I've been absent a lot a lately and I've heard the concerns of people in this forum and the last 24 hours I've been working and talking behind the scenes with some people to make this forum better. We will be getting a second mod, that person has already been approached and accepted and we're just waiting on the admin team to make it official. That being said there's a bigger problem on this forum right now, outside of BSS, and that problem is currently the sole focus of the higher ups on this site. I can't say when this person is going to be made mod officially but as far as I'm concerned as of now they are whether they have the blue star and mod buttons or not. So everyone please give a kind welcome to Archyduchess for joining the team.
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Good choice!
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I approve of this decision.
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That is the perfect choice. Edit: wait, what's this bigger problem? Hosting expenses? Rhyno fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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Agreed, an excellent choice!
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Thank you X-O and thank you everyone. I don't know when I'll actually have mod privileges since the FYAD stuff is obviously taking up a lot of oxygen and I'm definitely guilty of contributing to that. I know I've been vocal about the culture of this subforum, which I generally think is extraordinarily lowkey as far as SA goes, so I'm happy to have a chance to put my money where my mouth is. I know one issue I've heard people bring up is a general feeling that BSS is, like a lot of online comicbook fan-spaces, largely a cishet white boys club, so I want to make it a priority to hear feedback and concerns from people who, like me, aren't cishet white guys. I think comicbook culture is in the middle of a pretty significant cultural shift, with pushes both from the right via comicsgate and a lot of exciting diversification in terms of who gets a voice in publishing, fandom, and elsewhere. I want us to ideally continue to be assiduous and on top of the former while making more room for the latter too.
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Dec 10, 2019 16:40
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I stay mostly in AI and BSS, what's going on with FYAD?
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I noticed the icon was faded this morning on the index. Looks like they're closing it (there's a pinned topic there).
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Rhyno posted:I stay mostly in AI and BSS, what's going on with FYAD? The irony racism and bigotry turned out to not be ironic.
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Rhyno posted:I stay mostly in AI and BSS, what's going on with FYAD? They had a thread for making fun of trans people. Some people outside FYAD got mad, the FYAD posters insisted it's actually very funny and fine. This led to an argument about whether or not the forums really need a subforum for ironically saying the n word with like max twenty people in it at any time.
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That's excellent. EDIT: NOT THE THREAD, THAT IT'S CLOSING HOLY poo poo I AM NOT ANTI TRANS So as some have noticed, I received two successive angry text avatars recently. Both times filled with homophobic slurs and hate speech. Now I don't even care a little about a red text avatar so long as it's funny or fitting. But being able to saddle someone with a hate speech text should no longer be allowable. That era of this site is long past. Again, I don't care of someone hits me with a "SHUT UP IDIOT" text. But the two I was given were absolutely hate speech and that poo poo doesn't fly anymore. Who do we approach about overhauling the custom text system. Either hate speech is no longer allowed or the system is changed so the buyer's info is sent to the the person they buy it for.
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Rhyno posted:That's excellent. EDIT: NOT THE THREAD, THAT IT'S CLOSING HOLY poo poo I AM NOT ANTI TRANS Lowtax had a big thread about "what do you want to see changed in the forums?". It was open for like a month, and the end result was there's a bit more space at the bottom of the page between the buttons for numbers to vote. He's also got a huge family thing going on, to put it mildly. We aren't seeing any code changes for a good long time.
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That's unfortunate. When you buy yourself an upgrade it logs who you are, it wouldn't take much to change it or at least turn it off until they can upgrade it. I missed that entire thread somehow.
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Archyduchess posted:Thank you X-O and thank you everyone. I don't know when I'll actually have mod privileges since the FYAD stuff is obviously taking up a lot of oxygen and I'm definitely guilty of contributing to that. I know I've been vocal about the culture of this subforum, which I generally think is extraordinarily lowkey as far as SA goes, so I'm happy to have a chance to put my money where my mouth is. Reinstate the CAD threads.
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The forums code is so bad that even if Lowtax made it his number one priority I don't know if we could get that in a timely manner.
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Lurdiak posted:The forums code is so bad that even if Lowtax made it his number one priority I don't know if we could get that in a timely manner. Yeah, that. And making any positive change is entirely likely to gently caress up half a dozen totally unrelated things. And I'm glad I never "got" FYAD. Yeesh.
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I mentioned in the film thread that I am currently reading The Secret History of Wonder Woman and holy poo poo to any idiot that says comics weren't so PC/politicized back in the day. Wonder Woman, the longest lasting woman character in comics, was literally created to argue for women being treated as equal to men. Her early adventures were helping women join unions, get meaningful work, help fight fascism, deal with crooked landlords and beat up domestic abusers. It's like her entire creation is a futuristic gently caress you to angry comic book fans of the 2000's. One thing I found kind of interesting (at the part of the book that I am at now) is how heavily Gaines (then publisher of what would later become DC comics) promoted Wonder Woman and how much the fans took to the character, especially boys who were the biggest reading group of comics. Gaines did a poll of which character should join the Justice Society (Wonder Woman, Boy Blue, the unfortunately named Gay Ghost, Wildcat, Black Pirate) and Wonder Woman got the most votes out, with boys of all age groups voting overwhelmingly for her. Another remarkable thing is that, outside of of Justice Society where she is treated as middling secretary, in Sensation Comics and All Star Comics her stuff is straight up socialism propaganda (I say this as a good thing) and how blatant it is, but also how welcomed it was by the population at the time (excluding some extreme religious nutjobs who saw all of comics as being a filth to pollute young minds). As mentioned, Wonder Woman fights for unions and good wage for workers, against crooked landlords and against husbands who think their wives should be at home all day. This kind of stuff would sadly be controversial now with a certain group of the population but Marston managed to write all of this down (and the bondage) with minimal interference and with great fanfare.
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Dec 10, 2019 18:51
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NO MODS NO ADMINS!!! (Congrats, Archy, I know you'll do great!))
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All comics should be about socialism and kinky sex.
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Just lol if you think a gator has ever read an issue of ww
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site posted:Just lol if you think a gator has ever read an issue of ww Only crocodiles know how to read.
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Madkal posted:I mentioned in the film thread that I am currently reading The Secret History of Wonder Woman and holy poo poo to any idiot that says comics weren't so PC/politicized back in the day. Wonder Woman, the longest lasting woman character in comics, was literally created to argue for women being treated as equal to men. Her early adventures were helping women join unions, get meaningful work, help fight fascism, deal with crooked landlords and beat up domestic abusers. It's like her entire creation is a futuristic gently caress you to angry comic book fans of the 2000's. It's true that early Wonder Woman stories were pro-union, anti-fascist, anti-landlord, anti-big-business, but that's also true of a really large swath of superhero comics in general, from Superman and Captain America to forgotten footnotes. Which doesn't change your point, politics (or at the very least taking a stand on social issues) was baked into the superhero idea from the beginning: Action Comics #1's lead story is titled "Superman: Champion of the Oppressed" in which Superman saves a woman wrongly accused of murder, swoops in when Lois Lane is sexually harassed by a gangster, and then promises to head to Washington DC (as Clark Kent) to investigate a corrupt senator. In the next few issues Superman forces a "munitions magnate" to enlist as a foot soldier in the South American proxy war his company egged on, stops the war, takes down a coal mining company that isn't complying with safety regulations, [breaks up a gambling ring fixing college football games], stops a corrupt company trying to profit from his image, and then takes down a circus running an insurance scam. quote:One thing I found kind of interesting (at the part of the book that I am at now) is how heavily Gaines (then publisher of what would later become DC comics) promoted Wonder Woman and how much the fans took to the character, especially boys who were the biggest reading group of comics. Hiring the staff pyschologist of the Family Circle magazine as a consultant was meant to distance All-American from the other companies producing these "lurid publications", and Marston took that figurehead role as a chance to pitch Wonder Woman. I really have no idea what Gaines's motivations were for promoting Wonder Woman besides that, especially given that Gaines was a Jewish immigrant who took the money from selling off Wonder Woman/Green Lantern/Flash to Donnenfeld to start up EC (Educational Comics) and publish "Picture Stories from the Bible" and "Picture Stories from American History", books very much about how awesome Jesus and Christopher Columbus and the Brave Warriors Who Conquered the Red Man were. It's especially hard to know exactly what his mindset was because Max Gaines died in 1947, and his young son Bill took over the company, changed it to Entertaining Comics, and within a few years was smack dab in the center of the second round of moral panic about comic books. Bill seems to have had a strained relationship with his dad, and is one of the relatively few publisher-types of that era to have lived long enough to do interviews with the fan press and/or academics, so that likely colors anything we know about him.
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Archyduchess posted:Thank you X-O and thank you everyone. I don't know when I'll actually have mod privileges since the FYAD stuff is obviously taking up a lot of oxygen and I'm definitely guilty of contributing to that. I know I've been vocal about the culture of this subforum, which I generally think is extraordinarily lowkey as far as SA goes, so I'm happy to have a chance to put my money where my mouth is. Congratulations on your promotion! Your av is very appropriate for your new role, with Lottie scrutinising us all.
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Gripweed posted:They had a thread for making fun of trans people. Some people outside FYAD got mad, the FYAD posters insisted it's actually very funny and fine. This led to an argument about whether or not the forums really need a subforum for ironically saying the n word with like max twenty people in it at any time. It was even worse than that too. Because it started to lead to people using the Discord usernames and other identifying information to doxs and stalk people. Like, thats why the old trans issues thread had to be set to private after someone used it to find someone's facebook, twitter, and linkedin and attack them.
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Madkal posted:I mentioned in the film thread that I am currently reading The Secret History of Wonder Woman and holy poo poo to any idiot that says comics weren't so PC/politicized back in the day. Wonder Woman, the longest lasting woman character in comics, was literally created to argue for women being treated as equal to men. Her early adventures were helping women join unions, get meaningful work, help fight fascism, deal with crooked landlords and beat up domestic abusers. It's like her entire creation is a futuristic gently caress you to angry comic book fans of the 2000's. Golden age Wonder Woman is one of my big blind spots and I really need to get around to reading some of it. Maybe I'll start going through that before the end of the year.
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Roth posted:Archyduchess leak me stuff from the mod forum tia I don't want to spoil anything but if any of you wretches posts about anything other than Arlo & Janis from now on there's gonna be blood.
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Congrats, Archyduchess! It's always good to see a new mod announcement that makes you go "hell yeah" instead of, you know. The opposite.Edge & Christian posted:I still haven't read Lepore's book, and I can't find the reviews I was thinking of, but I seem to recall a lot of it was based on kind of careless research. My favorite of those Golden Age-era crusader Superman stories is the one where the mayor refuses to institute a speed limit despite people dying left and right in traffic accidents because he likes Going Fast in his fancy automobile. So Superman jumps in his passenger seat, says "Let's go for a ride" and pins the mayor's foot to the gas pedal. Golden Age Superman is real as gently caress.
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Congratulations Archyduchess! Edit: Get ready for Teen Civil War everybody! https://twitter.com/saladinahmed/status/1204450505877012481
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Vincent posted:Congratulations Archyduchess! So I wonder how bad the other side is going to be in order to continue to present the idea of people wearing masks and engaging in violence as a good thing.
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Random Stranger posted:So I wonder how bad the other side is going to be in order to continue to present the idea of people wearing masks and engaging in violence as a good thing. That would be pretty easy, just have a threat that the teens need to defend themselves and their friends from. It would echo the discourse about Antifa, where you've got some people saying "violence isn't the answer, you should challenge your opponents in the marketplace of ideas!" and Antifa is like "nazis are coming into our neighborhoods and the cops are on their side, we need to defend ourselves." The sides in Outlawed could be "Teens shouldn't be superheros, you should be in school!" and the teen superheros are like, "A Sentinel is literally trying to murder me right now"
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Random Stranger posted:So I wonder how bad the other side is going to be in order to continue to present the idea of people wearing masks and engaging in violence as a good thing. 
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Random Stranger posted:Golden age Wonder Woman is one of my big blind spots and I really need to get around to reading some of it. Maybe I'll start going through that before the end of the year. I got the first golden age Omnibus for a song and it's okay. It wasn't as weird as I thought it would be and I took a break about halfway through and took the second Omnibus off my wishlist. I can't remember my exact feelings or thoughts, but my recollection is it started feeling like a chore to read. I should probably revisit it, though.
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A Strange Aeon posted:I got the first golden age Omnibus for a song and it's okay. It wasn't as weird as I thought it would be and I took a break about halfway through and took the second Omnibus off my wishlist. I can't remember my exact feelings or thoughts, but my recollection is it started feeling like a chore to read. I should probably revisit it, though. I think reading about Golden Age Wonder Woman is more interesting than actually reading the comics. They're absolutely crammed with ideas and I love that William Moulton Marston saw comics as a didactic vehicle for this very idiosyncratic philosophy, and I think the strangeness of a lot of his theory gives them, at their best, the fascinating dream-like quality of an artist completely off in their own thing, but they simply aren't a ton of fun to read.
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