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One thing I've always thought was weird is how much tutorializing the game has for its most basic mechanics, meanwhile there's so much stuff in the game you would literally never figure out yourself. They might at well have an NPC in one of the Pokemon Centers come up to you once you beat the game and say "you should google Pokemon IVs if you don't already know what they are because WOW you're in for a surprise, anyways bye." I listened to a podcast where Justin McElroy talked about not knowing what mechanics of the game were secretly super important and having no idea which things he needed to look into and which things were just for fun and I can imagine that being frustrating. He was wondering if the Camping feature was actually really important to making your Pokemon strong and if friendship mattered at all in terms of Pokemon performance.
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Its funny that stuff isn't explained but they'll put in an advice board after gym 3 or 4 telling you that you can't steal pokemon from other trainers.
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Dec 11, 2019 05:39
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Leal posted:Its funny that stuff isn't explained but they'll put in an advice board after gym 3 or 4 telling you that you can't steal pokemon from other trainers. Aw geez must've missed that sign. Does explain why people are so mad at me tho
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Dec 11, 2019 05:42
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I almost put the game down when Leon tells you, during your final battle, that Super Effective attacks are the most effective way to win. Like...thanks Leon. Thanks.
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Dec 11, 2019 05:42
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I almost put the game down when Leon tells you, during your final battle, that Super Effective attacks are the most effective way to win. Like...thanks Leon. Thanks. I mean he and Hop are brothers and all
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Dec 11, 2019 05:43
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Cattail Prophet posted:Random thought: back in XY there were a bunch of npcs scattered around Kalos that told you about all the passive type based immunities to various effects that gen 6 added, plus sound moves ignoring substitutes, and now there's literally no in-game documentation for any of that stuff. I know there's already tons of other mechanics stuff that never gets communicated to the player, but for whatever reason this stands out to me in particular. I don't even remember what they are, tbh.
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Dec 11, 2019 05:48
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I wonder if one of the reasons they removed Dragon Rage is because the fixed 40 damage was going through the raid shields and letting testers tear through the raids faster than an all Eternatus squad.Space Cadet Omoly posted:That's what we have mints for. Shame they're 50 BP and not something less tedious like 100k Poke Bucks. Framboise posted:I did some wonder trading last night and got a Chinese Dreepy with Adamant Nature, absolute perfect IVs, and Pokerus. Use it to breed 5-6 IV Dreepy because those will be safe regardless?
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Dec 11, 2019 05:54
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I do get why some stuff like IVs are "hidden" from the player until the post game though, as this sort of knowledge is absolutely not needed for a casual run. The main campaign in balanced in such a way that the player cannot enter an unwinnable state because the game managed to generate your starter to have extremely low stats and cannot win against your first battle. Its also hidden to prevent most players from prioritizing catching monsters with high IVs early on and discard ones that aren't too early, That's generally for the postgame when the player has presumably amassed a decent sized collection and the game throws the battle tower at you.
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Dec 11, 2019 05:56
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Evil Fluffy posted:I wonder if one of the reasons they removed Dragon Rage is because the fixed 40 damage was going through the raid shields and letting testers tear through the raids faster than an all Eternatus squad. 50 BP aint nothin. Just get the Fossil Fish and press the fish button.
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Dec 11, 2019 05:58
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The Bee posted:I don't even remember what they are, tbh. Grass types are immune to "powder" moves Ghost types are immune to trapping effects Electric types got proper immunity to all sources of paralysis* I think dark types gained immunities to some of the weirder effects of their own moves? My memory's a little fuzzy on this one *Side note, it still bothers me that Static works on ground types
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Dec 11, 2019 06:10
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Cattail Prophet posted:I think dark types gained immunities to some of the weirder effects of their own moves? My memory's a little fuzzy on this one Moves specifically boosted by Prankster's priority effect. They just straight up don't work.
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Dec 11, 2019 06:35
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Is there a resource anywhere for wild area weather forecasts? I know the first day of every month makes the weather the same across the board, but I'd prefer not to set my clock ahead too far if I don't absolutely have to.
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Dec 11, 2019 06:45
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:50 BP aint nothin. Just get the Fossil Fish and press the fish button. Don’t have a a Frankenmon but I guess that’s always an option since it seems to be stupidly op. Still any annoying time sink.
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Dec 11, 2019 06:48
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Evil Fluffy posted:Don’t have a a Frankenmon but I guess that’s always an option since it seems to be stupidly op. Still any annoying time sink. Yeah if anything I'm less annoyed by the difficulty of gaining BP compared to how much time it takes. I'd rather get 1BP per max raid and just do a bazillion of them than get slightly more in the battle tower which is comparatively way less fun
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Dec 11, 2019 06:51
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Cattail Prophet posted:Grass types are immune to "powder" moves I never knew any of this except for electric typed Pokemon avoiding paralysis.
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Dec 11, 2019 06:54
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Yeah if anything I'm less annoyed by the difficulty of gaining BP compared to how much time it takes. I'd rather get 1BP per max raid and just do a bazillion of them than get slightly more in the battle tower which is comparatively way less fun It's almost like you don't need the BP or anything other than meta..? Ah gently caress I lost my edit but basically, this is the easiest gaining of BP in the history of the tower. I get that it sucks but you need it for even less previously and gain way more for no investment. GenericGirlName fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Dec 11, 2019 07:06
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:One thing I've always thought was weird is how much tutorializing the game has for its most basic mechanics, meanwhile there's so much stuff in the game you would literally never figure out yourself. They might at well have an NPC in one of the Pokemon Centers come up to you once you beat the game and say "you should google Pokemon IVs if you don't already know what they are because WOW you're in for a surprise, anyways bye." This is for the same reason they make an effort to have extremely obscure evolution details nobody would bother to find: because they want to sell strategy guides.
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Dec 11, 2019 07:47
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:One thing I've always thought was weird is how much tutorializing the game has for its most basic mechanics, meanwhile there's so much stuff in the game you would literally never figure out yourself. They might at well have an NPC in one of the Pokemon Centers come up to you once you beat the game and say "you should google Pokemon IVs if you don't already know what they are because WOW you're in for a surprise, anyways bye." To be fair I just walked through Galar mine 2 and one of the miner ladies does say "did you know that Pokemon of that same species have different stats? That's nuts" But yeah they're obtuse on a ton of different things.
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Dec 11, 2019 08:02
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Zuzie posted:Moves specifically boosted by Prankster's priority effect. They just straight up don't work. Oh that's right, I think I got my wires crossed because the main context in which this actually mattered was prankster taunt. Fake edit: Oh, apparently this one was actually a gen 7 change, which I never got around to playing. No wonder I didn't get the details right! Also the first half of this post might just be me talking completely out of my rear end!
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Dec 11, 2019 08:04
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:One thing I've always thought was weird is how much tutorializing the game has for its most basic mechanics, meanwhile there's so much stuff in the game you would literally never figure out yourself. They might at well have an NPC in one of the Pokemon Centers come up to you once you beat the game and say "you should google Pokemon IVs if you don't already know what they are because WOW you're in for a surprise, anyways bye." It's because IVs are only important if you want to do competitive.
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Dec 11, 2019 09:06
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Cattail Prophet posted:Oh that's right, I think I got my wires crossed because the main context in which this actually mattered was prankster taunt. Yeah at least some of those are Gen 7 changes but I can't be hosed to remember which ones
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Dec 11, 2019 09:57
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My friends have been playing the main releases since Red and Blue (We are all in early 30s) and only with this gen have found out about IVs and EVs and breeding and all that. One of them thought it was just added in this gen
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Dec 11, 2019 11:55
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They don't really want to spell things out because it makes stuff dry and mechanical, and for a lot of players (including me) it's nicer to play the game like your pokemon are your friends and get pleasantly surprised that e.g. your pokemon doesn't faint because it doesn't want to make you sad, instead of "oh okay I need to feed each pokemon 30 curries to max out their battle potential".
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Dec 11, 2019 12:08
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I like Throat Chop stopping you from using moves based on a pokemon's voice. I found that out in the gym battle against Piers and was pleasantly surprised. I think the little thematic details like that are neat, even if they are never going to be significant to the ~competitive scene~. Are the catch rates for the version-exclusive g-max events different to the catch rates for the g-max events that are in both versions? I have 6 g-max Snorlax in a box now, and have had 1 or 2 get away. But I have fought nearly as many g-max Drednaw and not one of them has stayed in the ball.
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Dec 11, 2019 12:34
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https://twitter.com/Lanbook/status/1203621481113980928?s=20
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extremely blessed
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Dec 11, 2019 17:20
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Needs Melony+Snom versionCipher Pol 9 posted:I'm fine with them testing singles Dynamax for Ubers because it is real dumb in 6v6 singles. Made more egregious when you keep running into two Team Skull/Rocket/Yell grunts who each have one pokemon and wind up battling them each separately or only one of them while the other just stands there blankly
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Dec 11, 2019 17:40
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You know how often theres a trainer school in early parts of the game? We need a trainer college around the 7th gym that goes deep into poo poo. Not necessary to beat the game, but npcs start talking about stuff you can learn there and that maybe youll have an easier time if you learn things there.
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Dec 11, 2019 18:02
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Advanced Applied Paleontology with Professor Cara Liss whoever creates the most awesome beast abomination gets an A
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Dec 11, 2019 18:08
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Hammerite posted:I like Throat Chop stopping you from using moves based on a pokemon's voice. I found that out in the gym battle against Piers and was pleasantly surprised. I think the little thematic details like that are neat, even if they are never going to be significant to the ~competitive scene~. Throat Chop blocking certain moves is definitely useful competitively.
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Dec 11, 2019 18:11
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Countblanc posted:Throat Chop blocking certain moves is definitely useful competitively.
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Dec 11, 2019 18:26
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:You know how often theres a trainer school in early parts of the game? We need a trainer college around the 7th gym that goes deep into poo poo. Not necessary to beat the game, but npcs start talking about stuff you can learn there and that maybe youll have an easier time if you learn things there. A trainer college taught by a overseas teacher named Earl from the Johto region?
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Dec 11, 2019 18:26
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Countblanc posted:Throat Chop blocking certain moves is definitely useful competitively. I don't know which flavourful/thematic aspects of the battle system are competitively relevant and which aren't so I guessed
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Dec 11, 2019 19:13
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I hope to one day do something exciting enough to warrant Marnie's theme playing in the background
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Dec 11, 2019 20:51
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Rich Uncle Chet posted:I hope to one day do something exciting enough to warrant Marnie's theme playing in the background Marnie’s theme is pretty baller. It is what I have playing while running Battle Tower.
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Dec 11, 2019 23:58
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Leal posted:A trainer college taught by a overseas teacher named Earl from the Johto region? Someone in the discord joked about getting to the final battle with Leon and he just absolutely wipes the floor with you and then explains everything about IVs and EV training in complete detail and Im so hooked on that idea
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Dec 12, 2019 00:04
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god drat I wish it were easier to catch a loving Dreepy. I've gone through 15 wishing stars (and yeah, I did the trick to make sure they were all rare spawns) and check the stupid Lake of Outrage twice a day. I'm getting hosed by the drat RNG!!!!! e: also moves that hit multiple times should take multiple slices of shield away
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Dec 12, 2019 00:05
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Just start surprise trading your breedjects or whatever, you're bound to get a Dreepy in return before too long.
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Dec 12, 2019 00:08
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indigi posted:god drat I wish it were easier to catch a loving Dreepy. I've gone through 15 wishing stars (and yeah, I did the trick to make sure they were all rare spawns) and check the stupid Lake of Outrage twice a day. I'm getting hosed by the drat RNG!!!!! just do like 10 surprise trades during normal hours in Japan, in my experience, and you'll have at least 5 Dreepys at the end, all with good stats
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I'll have to spend some time doing that tonight, then!
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