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Yea, speaking as a vivid tramper in NZ you goddamn take activity warnings super loving seriously. A while ago when Tongariro woke up they pushed notifications ages in advance and you can be sure as poo poo I went nowhere near it. There are signs all over the park on what to do if Lahar flows are coming etc. It's now missing a chunk off the side and a (now-closed) hut in the area has a huge boulder sitting where the bunks used to be. The tourists are only mildly silly for signing those waivers, modern people are accustomed to signing everything away without realizing the implications. The operators otoh...
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Dec 11, 2019 04:21
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It reminds me of how scientists made repeated warnings before Mount Saint Helens erupted but after a week they were ignored.
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everydayfalls posted:https://i.imgur.com/hAtxy8w.mp4 Somebody getting zapped by a power line wouldn't be able to scream, I'm guessing.
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Varkk posted:To add to this I heard today that GNS (The agency responsible for monitoring volcanoes and earthquakes etc here) had pulled their staff from the island due to the increased activity. You would think that when the volcanologists are moving away from the active volcano you would think twice before taking a tour group to the crater. The injuries are sounding quite horrific as well with many with severe burns inside their throats/lungs. Currently it's the news of people with burns to 95 percent of their bodies and the need to import 1.2 million cubic centimetres of skin for grafts that is freaking me out. Somehow I thought a volcanic eruption would be more of an "either you're dead or you're fine" situation. The tour company had a policy that they didn't need to consult anyone if the alert level was two, only if it went up to three. Two is the highest it goes before an eruption. Three is an eruption. Also freaked out by the helicopter pilots who keep pushing to go back in to retrieve the corpses despite ongoing volcanic activity. edit: maybe square centimetres. Whatever, a shitload of skin. slinkimalinki fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Dec 11, 2019 06:28
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that's a cube of skin 106cm on a side that's a lot of skin
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Dec 11, 2019 06:48
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They probably won't make it anyway. Worth trying, but a losing battle. No skin off my rear end. Christ that is bad, even for me.
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madeintaipei posted:They probably won't make it anyway. Worth trying, but a losing battle. I'm not sure I'd want to make it in that situation, if it were me.
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Dec 11, 2019 07:07
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I work in the second largest burn center in the US. Our skin bank is, in total, less than 1/40th that. It's a very short-term storage item.
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Dec 11, 2019 07:41
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Sagebrush posted:that's a cube of skin 106cm on a side Or 106 Cassandra O'Briens.
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Dec 11, 2019 08:10
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Queen Combat posted:...skin bank... Probably not what I'm imagining, but that's a hell of a mental image.
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Queen Combat posted:…skin bank… right clicks, renames folder
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Dec 11, 2019 08:37
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Sagebrush posted:that's a cube of skin 106cm on a side Ah, D&D.
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Dec 11, 2019 09:11
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I thought you had to graft peoples own skin onto themselves. Is it possible to transplant it from other people?
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Dec 11, 2019 09:28
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depending on what it's used for you can wash all the cells out of skin and use just the collagen structure. you can even do that with fish skin. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/brazilian-city-uses-tilapia-fish-skin-treat-burn-victims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOG7-2bNhQ (videos of burn injuries obviously)
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Dec 11, 2019 09:34
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The Lone Badger posted:I thought you had to graft peoples own skin onto themselves. Is it possible to transplant it from other people? You can get skin from the deceased just like any other organ. Pretty useful when there isn't a whole lot of skin left on a patient to harvest. Dunno about live skin donor but that sounds horrid on the donor.
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Dec 11, 2019 09:35
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Do they use previously fat people skin? Like all the loose poo poo they cut off someone who had a gastric bypass and lost a couple hundred pounds? Sounds like a decent recycle. I thought they grew skin in labs from old foreskins (vaguely recall some science segment on TV like a decade ago about it).
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Dec 11, 2019 10:01
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people exaggerate how much penile skin grows a lot.
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Dec 11, 2019 10:02
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The volcanology professor from my old university has been on about eight different news reports I've seen in the last 36 hours. On each one he has basically said "I have no idea why people were allowed to go there, I went there 20 years ago and never want to go back and it's literally my job" If the volcanologists won't go there, don't go there.
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Dec 11, 2019 10:05
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Memento posted:The volcanology professor from my old university has been on about eight different news reports I've seen in the last 36 hours. On each one he has basically said "I have no idea why people were allowed to go there, I went there 20 years ago and never want to go back and it's literally my job" Meh, volcanologists hate fun!
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Dec 11, 2019 10:07
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My mum used to work with one of the people killed by the volcano, it also killed his stepdaughter and his wife is one of the "lucky" ones who's only in critical condition with massive burns. Even if she survives it's going to be a pretty lovely Christmas time. Hopefully the tour company get nailed to the wall over this.
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Dec 11, 2019 11:40
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Pile Of Garbage posted:Where I would not want to be: anywhere near an anchor being let go. My favourite part of this video is the Admiral in charge on the ship at the time replying in the comments, people theorycrafting about what happened, people upset no one was hurt because the chain was expensive etc.
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Dec 11, 2019 11:49
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I'm not sure if this video will actually show up with the link, but don't watch it. EVen if it does show up. Read this first: Guy gets crushed and most likely killed. Another guy gets at least horribly maimed. Before copying and pasting.    https://www.facebook.com/gary.d.walker.56/videos/10214916854530909/
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Dec 11, 2019 12:20
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The Lone Badger posted:I thought you had to graft peoples own skin onto themselves. Is it possible to transplant it from other people? Extensive burns are a LONG, long healing process. You generally start with pig skin (xenograft) as a cover to give the wound bed time to heal and granulate, though the pig skin will all need to be surgically removed. Then you move to cadaver or donated skin (allograft), which (again) can't integrate but is way better than pig skin when it comes to the "not rotting every four days" department. Then you move to an autograft, your own skin, which most burn patients say is many times more painful than the burn itself because harvesting the autograft involves cutting the skin off at that magic point where it's 1: vascular (deep enough to have blood vessels) but 2: not all the way through the thickest nerve layer. So they're cutting right at the actual most possibly painful point to avoid the most damage. Some burns take long enough to heal, burn coverage is extensive enough, and even autografts can fail to "take," that we end up harvesting the same area every 2 or 3 weeks a few times over because it's the only good area (and skin grows pretty darn fast). Cheers!
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Dec 11, 2019 12:25
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wesleywillis posted:I'm not sure if this video will actually show up with the link, but don't watch it. EVen if it does show up. This is a guy getting his head smashed in by a collapsing crane while cutting a tree. Why do you just post an explicit link without even describing what it is?
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Dec 11, 2019 13:21
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Queen Combat posted:Extensive burns are a LONG, long healing process. ... and that's the current state of burn treatment. the old method was to pump them full of morphine, scrape off any dead tissue, and then give the patient a bleach bath to prevent infection. Dax Cowart died earlier this year. he lost his hands, eyes, and most of his hearing in a propane explosion in 1973, recovered after being treated against his will, and eventually got a law degree and spent the rest of his life advocating for patients' autonomy.
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Dec 11, 2019 13:45
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I don’t know if that’s more or less impressive than Paul Alexander, who studied and practiced law from an iron lung.
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Griz posted:... and that's the current state of burn treatment. the old method was to pump them full of morphine, scrape off any dead tissue, and then give the patient a bleach bath to prevent infection. Still kinda beats the older way from a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, which was peel/pick the burnt pieces off, wrap em in leather and strap em into a mobile burn unit respirator and just tell em "Stay angry, bitch".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqpPpaOe-bg
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Queen Combat posted:Extensive burns are a LONG, long healing process. You generally start with pig skin (xenograft) as a cover to give the wound bed time to heal and granulate, though the pig skin will all need to be surgically removed. Then you move to cadaver or donated skin (allograft), which (again) can't integrate but is way better than pig skin when it comes to the "not rotting every four days" department. Then you move to an autograft, your own skin, which most burn patients say is many times more painful than the burn itself because harvesting the autograft involves cutting the skin off at that magic point where it's 1: vascular (deep enough to have blood vessels) but 2: not all the way through the thickest nerve layer. So they're cutting right at the actual most possibly painful point to avoid the most damage. With people who have burns to 95 percent of their bodies, is there enough skin to harvest? Do they just go back to the same area 20 times?
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Queen Combat posted:Extensive burns are a LONG, long healing process. You generally start with pig skin (xenograft) as a cover to give the wound bed time to heal and granulate, though the pig skin will all need to be surgically removed. Then you move to cadaver or donated skin (allograft), which (again) can't integrate but is way better than pig skin when it comes to the "not rotting every four days" department. Then you move to an autograft, your own skin, which most burn patients say is many times more painful than the burn itself because harvesting the autograft involves cutting the skin off at that magic point where it's 1: vascular (deep enough to have blood vessels) but 2: not all the way through the thickest nerve layer. So they're cutting right at the actual most possibly painful point to avoid the most damage. Is there some piece of paper I can sign that says "If I end up like that just shoot me full of enough Fentanyl to send me off in a beautiful dream"? Because gently caress that, all of it.
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Dec 11, 2019 15:45
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Vanagoon posted:Is there some piece of paper I can sign that says "If I end up like that just shoot me full of enough Fentanyl to send me off in a beautiful dream"? Here in Canada we do have Medically Assisted Death, but you need to be cognizant of the choice during the time you are making the choice. Which means that you can do so as long as you're not suffering from something like dementia, in a coma, or anything else that prevents your from communicating your wish to die. Advance Directives that allow you to pre-establish that you wish to die under specific circumstances is something that isn't currently in place, though many advocate for it, myself included. Being trapped in your own body and unable to communicate a wish to pass on sounds like a special kind of hell.
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Carth Dookie posted:Do they use previously fat people skin? Like all the loose poo poo they cut off someone who had a gastric bypass and lost a couple hundred pounds? Sounds like a decent recycle. That wouldn't work. The skin is cut at the correct location for the person getting surgery which is not usually a good location for someone receiving a skin graft plus the fact that it's not usually the healthiest skin or necessarily a large patch of it. A lot of times they remove long thin strips from specific areas. With a corpse, you can cut a big rectangle.
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slinkimalinki posted:Currently it's the news of people with burns to 95 percent of their bodies and the need to import 1.2 million cubic centimetres of skin for grafts that is freaking me out. Somehow I thought a volcanic eruption would be more of an "either you're dead or you're fine" situation. The descriptions of volcanic burns from mount saint helens survivors were just about as bad as an injury could get. Every inch of their skin was packed with abrasive ash that had to be removed with incredibly painful scrubbing that even painkillers couldn't cover.
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at that point just toss me back into the volcano
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Synthbuttrange posted:people exaggerate how much penile skin grows a lot.
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wesleywillis posted:I'm not sure if this video will actually show up with the link, but don't watch it. EVen if it does show up. I don't want to see it, but what is it? Blindeye fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Dec 11, 2019 16:51
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Blindeye posted:I don't want to see it, but what is it? Lurking Haro posted:This is a guy getting his head smashed in by a collapsing crane while cutting a tree.
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Blindeye posted:I don't want to see it, but what is it? its like a guy up a tree with a chainsaw for a while then boom out of nowhere crane to the head.
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Fumble posted:its like a guy up a tree with a chainsaw for a while then boom out of nowhere crane to the head. Jesus Christ.
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