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Gatts posted:Right but the Dems have made progress and gains in recent elections. Have to ungerrymander after. The dems need to gerrymander more. If they ungerrymander where they win then they will lose districts
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Deteriorata posted:By the time the boomers are dead, your own children and grandchildren will be rooting for you to die. Yours will for sure.
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Oracle posted:most people don't start voting regularly until they a) buy a house (and figure out how much property taxes cost) or b) have kids (and realize their property taxes fund schools and school boards do stuff that they don't like). Basically until local politics starts directly visibly affecting them, most people don't have a reason to bother. I think historically it's basically been "are you over 30? then you probably vote" but who knows if that holds true in this hellworld timeline. Like someone else said 2018 the younger generations showed out. And yet if you watch cable news they seem to think millennials are still like 21.
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Dec 11, 2019 03:58
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From the Watergate quote on, that is just awesome
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Hmm...what is this about? https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1204636011814412289
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Dec 11, 2019 06:43
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Fart Amplifier posted:The dems need to gerrymander more. If they ungerrymander where they win then they will lose districts Very few. The simplest thing is just to murder the 'mander, the gains are much larger than the losses
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Dec 11, 2019 06:54
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don't need to if you have a loyal attorney general
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redneck nazgul posted:don't need to if you have a loyal attorney general especially one that has all but shouted at the top of his lungs to the press that he intends to interfere in the election
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Dec 11, 2019 10:57
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The Boomers didn’t get more right as they aged, they were fascists pieces of racist poo poo back in the 70s/80s too when their generation started out voting the Greats and they elected Regan to initiate ~40 years of reactionary bullshit. Millinianls are now in that same position that the Boomers were back then, only instead of family’s, careers and property we have nothing.
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Dec 11, 2019 14:02
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Am following the proceedings everyday. As a foreigner though it all seems like a massive waste of resources to tranish Trump's image and lower his chances of winning the next election. It makes the Democrats look desperate.
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Dec 11, 2019 14:13
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Spite posted:I think historically it's basically been "are you over 30? then you probably vote" but who knows if that holds true in this hellworld timeline. This and the dumb rear end house buying theory aren’t true. Voting turnout increases linearly with age until something like 75, where it plateaus, most likely due to failing health. The total population for a given birth year goes down ever year - the two curves cross around 40 which is peak voting power for a generation. So millennials are still a few years out from peak voting power. The tip of spear will be like 2022. Also people don’t get more conservative with age. Voting habits are sticky and millennials vote D by like 30 points. Rich people do tend to live longer and historically vote R so there’s been a perception that voters get more conservative, but that trend has broken recently, as blue areas of the country now live much longer than red and rich and well educated now correlates with voting D.
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Dec 11, 2019 14:26
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Vhedza1 posted:Am following the proceedings everyday. I don't know if this is a troll or not but or President committed a crime and is being held accountable for it. The fact that he's impeached just makes it that much nicer because it's a blot Trump will never get rid of.
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SalTheBard posted:I don't know if this is a troll or not ..... What does the Reg date (and your heart) tell you?
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SalTheBard posted:I don't know if this is a troll or not but or President committed a crime and is being held accountable for it. The fact that he's impeached just makes it that much nicer because it's a blot Trump will never get rid of. Vhedza1 posted:New To Forum.
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Numlock posted:. What I have found with millennials is that their status depends on whether or not they were able to get into a career that boomers didn't already trash. I went into speech pathology, which mostly came into its own from the late 80s onward. The boomers in this field are unbearable, but I can actually make a living and have a house and a family. Even then, I had to get a master's degree to make it work and my purchasing power is still less than my dad who never made it past being a shift supervisor for GM with a GED. He was making 40 dollars an hour in 1997 when gas was 1.99/gallon. I make 42/hr and have nowhere near the spending power he had, and I know I make more than almost everyone I graduated with. I was lucky enough to graduate right before student loans went from being "ouch" to being "gently caress me in the rear end". The worst part of this field is that all the companies are run by greedy rear end geriatrics with business degrees. Every time I hear someone say "the economy is strong", I make sure to tell them that the economy is only strong for those making 150000+ a year. Inflation has gotten so bad, wages so stagnant, and benefits so terrible that the average person is faaaar worse off than they were 20 years ago. SchrodingersCat fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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SchrodingersCat posted:What I have found with millennials is that their status depends on whether or not they were able to get into a career that boomers didn't already trash. This has been really one of the hardest points to get across is just how explosive and positive growth was for the generation (at least those who could capitalize on it) I have described to my parents and in laws that forget inflation, just realize back when they went to college they could work a summer to pay for a whole year. Now you either have to work summers for free to get experience to even get a job, or if you do get paid it is like 10% of yearly tuition. Not to mention their house prices literally doubled in a couple of years and many got pensions. I still get “how is your 401k” talking points. There is no point in looking back, their generation was literally an economic golden age and I’m now of the opinion the more we try to opine about it and compare our generation to it, the more time we lose accepting our future and doing what we can to make it a little bit better for us and future generations.
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Crazyweasel posted:This has been really one of the hardest points to get across is just how explosive and positive growth was for the generation (at least those who could capitalize on it) My father-in-law graduated in 1981 with a doctorate in engineering that cost him less than 20000 total. He paid for it all with work study and summer jobs and graduated with no debt. He made like 60000 in his first year of work, and paid like 75000 for the house he has lived in since 1988. He was able to get a doctorate and buy a house for less than it costs to get a bachelor's now. He paid off his mortgage at 40. He retired last year and still makes 100k a year with pension and SS. He votes straight Republican in every election and has no idea how the world works anymore. He once told me that you should pay no more than $1000 for every year you expect to drive a car. I love my father in law, but the world will be better off when the boomers are gone.
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Dec 11, 2019 16:03
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I want a 10 hour version of this.
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Strange Poon posted:especially one that has all but shouted at the top of his lungs to the press that he intends to interfere in the election what makes me curious is if (insert dem canidate) wins and barr just gurgles that they cheated. part of me thinks thats more likely than russia trying to pull stuff(they will probably but still) i feel like that wouldnt work because people are loving done of trumps bullshit and most high up types would abandon him.
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I mean, yeah it probably wasn't the report that was given to him. He likely got a large print, simple english version with all the stuff that would upset him edited out.
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ReidRansom posted:I mean, yeah it probably wasn't the report that was given to him. He likely got a large print, simple english version with all the stuff that would upset him edited out. i think part of it is his brain is so hosed that bad stuff about him just doesnt compute as long as he has another source to sooth him. its why he legit doesn't think the dems will impeach him because they secretly love him and want to be his friend.
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that makes sense. as has been said, trumps brain is hosed when it comes to associating bad actions so he never learns unless its super direct. he got poo poo from everyone about comey. so he knows firing wray would make it worse. at some point he might still but lol.
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trump is retweeting a propaganda tweet once per minute. Things are fine
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ReidRansom posted:I mean, yeah it probably wasn't the report that was given to him. He likely got a large print, simple english version with all the stuff that would upset him edited out. Print? It was a picture book. The only words are "President Trump" every few pages to keep his interest
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SchrodingersCat posted:Inflation has gotten so bad, Noooooope, that's doing what it's supposed to be doing
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There's been talk in this thread that moving to the trial and then using Roberts to rule on calling important witnesses like Bolton and Mulvaney is a good strategy, but it seems like not calling any witnesses at all might be on the table? https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1204782667352461312?s=20
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AhhYes posted:There's been talk in this thread that moving to the trial and then using Roberts to rule on calling important witnesses like Bolton and Mulvaney is a good strategy, but it seems like not calling any witnesses at all might be on the table? i mean we all know he won't get convicted. i assume they stupidly assume this would help them keep power after.
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AhhYes posted:There's been talk in this thread that moving to the trial and then using Roberts to rule on calling important witnesses like Bolton and Mulvaney is a good strategy, but it seems like not calling any witnesses at all might be on the table? Someone posted a scholars explanation of what the trial may be like and it was really long and bloated but the basic message was that a simple majority vote can set whatever rules they want. The problem Mitch faces is that he only has 53 R Senators and a few are not in a position to automatically follow Trump to the end, so there are some borderline things he probably won’t be able to do like calling Biden and Schiff and all that poo poo. He could, however, have support to completely write the trial rules so that there are no witnesses, or that the trial is significantly different than what you and I would think of a normal Justice Department trial. From what I understood Roberts doesn’t have much power. This is what I remember, open to being proven wrong. It was kind of disheartening.
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Harry Reid would've never allowed it to be discussed, but this is absolutely something schumer would negotiate allowing prior to the start of the trial
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Gatts posted:So they want to be blatant about it? if they have the votes, yes. We're entirely dependent on a handful of vulnerable GOP senators
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Gatts posted:So they want to be blatant about it? there's a not minor amount of weight in the idea that the senate knows they can't actually force Schiff or the whistle-blower or whatever to show up and a redo of the house witnesses would only be bad for them, so it's best to cut the cord asap and just 'exonerate' Trump so they can spend 2020 on full damage control mode.
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It’s really beautiful that after Republicans kept complaining about “No fact witnesses” that they don’t want to call any witnesses.
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the only actual takeaway is that republicans aren't going to have the votes to overrule Roberts when R oberts inevitably says "gently caress no you are not calling Adam Schiff or Hunter Biden" if they want to try to have no witnesses at all, good luck getting to 51 on that vote. there's a reason you only hear open partisans in safe red seats like Graham talking about it, and not the like six votes who actually matter eke out fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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DandyLion posted:What does the Reg date (and your heart) tell you? Didn't even catch that
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Ethiser posted:It’s really beautiful that after Republicans kept complaining about “No fact witnesses” that they don’t want to call any witnesses. The Republicans know that there is no way they can call witnesses and get testimony defending Trump without easily provable perjury. The trial is going to be weeks and weeks of witnesses saying "yeah it's really that bad" followed by acquittal and Mitch making that creepy-rear end turtle smile he does.
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SchrodingersCat posted:The trial is going to be weeks and weeks of witnesses saying "yeah it's really that bad" followed by acquittal and Mitch making that creepy-rear end turtle smile he does. this is unironically the optimal scenario for the left
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