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IOwnCalculus posted:God loving damnit. I switched off of FreeNAS to avoid stupid reactionary changes.  God drat it.
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His ranty announcement: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf r/zfs post about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/e984zb/jonathonf_ppa_offline/
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Dec 11, 2019 19:13
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IOwnCalculus posted:His ranty announcement: https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf highlight from his rant: If you have already been in contact please ping me so I can add your Launchpad ID to the relevant private PPAs. Apologies for the friction. PPAs which have moved to become private access: Enki GP2 Isabelle JRuby Julia MiniZinc PRISM Protégé SUMO Walksat WinDLX Albert Ansible Backport collection Ballast Barrier Bazel CUDA tools Development tools earlyoom Emacs 26 FFMPEG 4 GNU IMP git OpenJDK Perl6 Perl6 (build dependencies) pypy Python 2.7 Python 3.5 Python 3.6 Python 3.7 Redis Wireguard ZFS on Linux ZFS on Linux (0.7.13) ZFS on Linux (Debian)
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Dec 11, 2019 19:27
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PPA's are garbage and shouldn't be tolerated for enterprise deployments. I know this is the home thread, but PPA's are garbage in general. See also: Node.js. Anything which reduces their widespread adoption is good in my book. 
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H110Hawk posted:PPA's are garbage and shouldn't be tolerated for enterprise deployments. I know this is the home thread, but PPA's are garbage in general. See also: Node.js. Anything which reduces their widespread adoption is good in my book. Lesson learned  I get the anger but I feel like this is just harming the community at large more than anything else. There's over 15k hits on Google for "jonathonf ppa" and I'd wager most of those are homegamers using them for zfs, ffmpeg (both of which I've used) and other tools where someone wants either a significantly newer or more feature-complete version than what the official repo has. It looks like 20.04 is going to have ZoL 0.8.2 so I'll probably call that a good reason to finally do a clean install. I think the current OS on there has been in-place upgraded from at least 16.04. sort of edit: He links to his article on kofi about the "sustainability of open-source". Yes, people should be supported to do work, but the literal "take your ball and go home" scorched earth action seems quite the opposite of looking for sustainability, instead of just stopping work on them and leaving them be. IOwnCalculus fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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Dec 12, 2019 04:09
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Not to turn this into a OSS conversation, but I do get his point that companies are out there making Real Money off his work, yet return nothing in kind to the community, and he's tired of it. At least it sounds like he's allowing individuals to continue to get access if they ask nice?
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Dec 12, 2019 06:11
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IOwnCalculus posted:Lesson learned FreeBSD has had individuals and companies commiting it all the time, and yet all the commiters who work on it individually - or at least all the ones I've spoken to - are completely fine with it being used by companies. So is it a question of unresolved expectations that lead to this kind of ball- and leave-taking? The only saving grace is that he made them private, so there won't suddenly be a slew of no-longer-updated mirrors, isn't it? EDIT: Also, 16.04 to 20.04 isn't a long history of in-place upgrades. I have one machine that's been upgraded in place since FreeBSD 7 in 2009 and there are user-files that date back to when I first installed it in 2000 2007 was when I switched from UFS to ZFS, I wasn't brave enough to run the backport to 6.x. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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Dec 12, 2019 10:23
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16.04 to 18.04 is just one major LTS release, sure, but even as they've iterated 18.04 there are changes to a lot of system tools where my box still uses "the old way" of doing it. I think the last line of his kofi post is a bit telling as well - he didn't feel appreciated enough by non-corporate users either.
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Dec 12, 2019 15:30
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It seems like he got caught up in making all these PPA's without understanding how OSS has always worked.
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Dec 12, 2019 16:38
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I'm running 20.04 on a server, I've fooled around with it way more than is worth the effort though. I'm currently battling grub being a utter garbage fire of failure and misery because for whatever reason, installing zsysd (the hip cool new snapshot, boot manager) caused some loving weird as poo poo change and now my system wants to look for hwmatch during boot and refuses to not look for loving hwmatch... ugh
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Dec 12, 2019 16:55
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I'm still running ubuntu 14.04 on my home server! Over the past few months I've been working on moving all the services I've got running on there into containers for ease of re-deployment after I flatten and reinstall. When I do a flatten and reinstall with whatever the latest LTS is ZFS should automatically recognize all my pools, right? Looks like the version of ZoL I'm running is 0.6.5.11-1
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Dec 12, 2019 18:03
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Thermopyle posted:I'm still running ubuntu 14.04 on my home server! I just migrated from centOS to ubuntu because better ZFS support, I just exported on one end and imported on the other end. It *should* work for you..
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Dec 12, 2019 18:47
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I always forget to export my pools before I reinstall. All it means is I have to force-import them the first time around.
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Dec 12, 2019 19:10
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Thermopyle posted:I'm still running ubuntu 14.04 on my home server! Newer than the one supported by your OS (which is rare but does happen despite the fact that OpenZFS has switched to feature flags. When you're using one of the alpha features like encryption was(?) and raidz expansion is, but these are rare cases and nobody running this software should be doing so without the explicit knowledge of the risks involved. When a pool has a feature-flag enabled which your version doesn't support (which sucks as some Linux distributions enable accounting by default, since accounting is one of the things that is explicitly not covered by POSIX, SUS, or any other standard and is different for basically every OS family that OpenZFS supports or will support). It's not even that ZFSOnLinux is responsible for the change done by the Linux distributions, because they only enable it for some tests as they need to test the feature, not because it's required unless you're doing something like NFS with Kerberos (and ZFSOnLinux doesn't support NFSv4 ACLs, so...). BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Dec 12, 2019 |
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Dec 12, 2019 21:07
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Hi, I'm back.disaster pastor posted:Stupid newbie alert! Was looking at the old system in preparation and realized that the PSU is seven years old and was out of warranty after five, so I'm also looking to replace it. Is there any specific recommendation for PSUs that will be running a bunch of HDDs but not need a whole bunch of graphics power or anything? (If it lets me use shucked drives without taping the pins, that's a big plus, too; I'd be willing to pay a little extra for that convenience.) Thanks!
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disaster pastor posted:Hi, I'm back. I just built a very similar LGA 1155 based system for a plex server. Ended up with a 256gb ssd cache drive, Unraid runs off a USB drive, 2 shucked 8TB WD HDDs and 2TB old maxtor drive I had kicking around. I bought a 550W 80+ Gold rated PSU for it during black friday sales for around $45-50. It was non-modular but with colored wires so I could potentially cut them if needed for the shucked drives. I ended up just cutting some scotch tape with a box cutter and slipping it right over the pins on the drive itself then plugging it in and it worked great. The whole thing took maybe 2 minutes so I'd suggest not spending more money to avoid that. It was incredibly easy. Just leave your drives out or in a way you can access them pretty easy and put them back into place once plugged in and the system powered down.
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Dec 13, 2019 16:50
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Scotch tape works okay, but generally you'd want to be using kapton tape for taping pins. Using quality molex>sata adapters also works, making your own custom PSU cables also works (check with a multimeter before plugging in hard drives)
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Dec 13, 2019 18:59
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Buff Hardback posted:Scotch tape works okay, but generally you'd want to be using kapton tape for taping pins. I don't know how it compares to kapton tape, but I have a bunch of this stuff from taping up bike wheels, and a small sliver of it works great for making off the 3.3v pins. It also doesn't leave behind residue. https://www.amazon.com/72-Yds-Coating-Masking-Temperature/dp/B00CKGIBYE
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Dec 13, 2019 21:16
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CopperHound posted:I don't know how it compares to kapton tape, but I have a bunch of this stuff from taping up bike wheels, and a small sliver of it works great for making off the 3.3v pins. It also doesn't leave behind residue. it looks like kapton tape is pretty much comparable to this stuff
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DrDork posted:Not to turn this into a OSS conversation, but I do get his point that companies are out there making Real Money off his work, yet return nothing in kind to the community, and he's tired of it. At least it sounds like he's allowing individuals to continue to get access if they ask nice? IOwnCalculus posted:I think the last line of his kofi post is a bit telling as well - he didn't feel appreciated enough by non-corporate users either. At the end of the day, dude isn’t doing anything more than taking other people’s work and repackaging it to make it easy for others to install on his favorite linux. The necessity for people to have this role in the linux ecosystem can be seen as a grave risk to the sustainability of OSS in and of itself. How much volunteer and paid work is getting wasted shuffling the deck chairs just so everyone can have their special snowflake favorite distro? (A lot.) How much damage is done by fracturing everything so that deploying an application on Linux is fraught with a billion compatibility issues, on what is nominally one platform? (A lot, that’s why so many coders toss up their hands and let distros and volunteers do the packaging for them. Too much work to do it themselves and also develop new features, fix bugs, write docs, etc.) Contrast with writing an app for macOS or Windows. Do you need to ask Apple or Microsoft to package it for you? No, that’s absurd. There’s profoundly less deployment work to do on these platforms. Hell, Apple defines and supports a path where you as an application developer don’t even need to write an installer. Your users just have to unzip and drag your app wherever they want it to go, and an uninstall is just dragging it to the trash. This guy is a common pattern in the FOSS world. Starts packaging things, starts thinking they’re hot poo poo because they always get lots of praise from users who are happy to have these packages, starts to feel like they should get some compensation, doesn’t understand that they’re really helping perpetuate a problem in the Linux world and ideally if anyone got paid it would be the authors of the code they’re packaging.
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Dec 13, 2019 22:42
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14TB WD Easystore for $209.99 at Best Buy and their ebay store, also google shopping (which has a new user discount): https://slickdeals.net/f/13721480-14tb-wd-easystore-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-209-99-free-shipping?src=frontpage https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-14tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6390390.p https://www.ebay.com/itm/WD-Easystore-14TB-External-USB-3-0-Hard-Drive-Black/324004558033 https://www.google.com/shopping/product/8318367337244505133 quote:Note, new Google Shopping Customers can use promo code HOLIDAY19 to save 20% off their first order (up to $20 off).
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I literally just today got my order for 5x 12TB drives delivered for their $180 each sale. It's fukken crazy that 14TB models are already out. I'm upgrading to 12TB from 2TB drives, which the entire drive size was the difference in size from the 12 to 14TB. Crazy. Then again I think I read about 100TB SSDs out going for 15k or something? Sheeeeet.
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jeeves posted:I literally just today got my order for 5x 12TB drives delivered for their $180 each sale. It's fukken crazy that 14TB models are already out. I'm upgrading to 12TB from 2TB drives, which the entire drive size was the difference in size from the 12 to 14TB. Crazy. Hell when I first cut the cord I ordered 6 4 TB drives. They’re all still running. The new drives cost about what those 4 did back then. I think it was 6 years ago.
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Was there a guide to shucking earlier in the thread? Is that what all the taping connectors chat was about? 14TB is tempting.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Was there a guide to shucking earlier in the thread? Is that what all the taping connectors chat was about? 14TB is tempting. tl;didn't write one buy easystore or mybook, rip it open (if you live in the US they have to honor warranty even if you take it out of the shell) then connect. Most PSUs aren't server SATA specification. SATA forum decided to make a super neat feature for SATA drives in servers where that if they get the 3.3v pin held high (which is completely unused prior to them deciding to do this), they do a full reboot which would be exactly like unplugging and replugging the cables assuming nothing physically broke. For whatever reason, WD uses the server specced white label Reds, which listen on the 3.3v pins for power being applied. Problem is, all PSUs that aren't up to date on that SATA spec will always be sending 3.3v over those pins, so they are always power cycling. Taping works well enough, but generally the easier way is to remove 3.3v from the cables somehow. Using a safe (i cannot emphasize this enough) Molex to SATA power adapter will get rid of 3.3v, as Molex doesn't have a 3.3v rail. You can also use extension cables designed for expanding a single SATA power connector into 4, and just rip out the 3.3v wire and also solve the problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6VCQ64DkfM
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I'm looking to finally finish building a new home server, which I started last year. What I have: - case - 4x 4TB WD Reds - LSI SAS 9211-8i + 2 breakout cables Looking at some X570 boards, for the possibility of vfio/gpu passthrough. My question is: if I pick up a motherboard with e.g. 8x SATA ports + M.2, will the LSI HBA provide any benefit or am I better saving a PCI x16 slot and using the on-board SATA ports? I think for drives all i need are the 4 Reds for zfs, a SSD or something for a cache drive, and NVME for boot.
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Buff Hardback posted:tl;didn't write one Awesome, thanks!
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If you have time, order some cheapo plastic electronic opening tools on eBay. Not necessarily needed but can make life easier.
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Heners_UK posted:If you have time, order some cheapo plastic electronic opening tools on eBay. Not necessarily needed but can make life easier. Honestly everyone who does computers as any sort of a hobby should have a good set of plastic spudgers anyhow, so yeah, if you don't already, get you some! iFixit has a nice set that won't break on the first use, though they're also not $10 like the packs you'll find on eBay.
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DrDork posted:Honestly everyone who does computers as any sort of a hobby should have a good set of plastic spudgers anyhow, so yeah, if you don't already, get you some! iFixit has a nice set that won't break on the first use, though they're also not $10 like the packs you'll find on eBay. Guitar picks work great.
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Dec 15, 2019 17:34
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A flathead screwdriver and pent up aggression is 3 for 3 for me.
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I've used old credit cards for uh... 13 of these guys now as well as some plastic spudgers I had for removing plastic parts off of cars that were like $3 included with a cheapo detail kit. I prefer the spudgers overall
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DrDork posted:not $10 like the packs you'll find on eBay. Just ordered 5 for $1
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redeyes posted:Guitar picks work great. Can't quote this hard enough. I bought a 100 pack of various size guitar picks from Amazon for like $8, and they're great for thin, strong casing wedges. If you cut them into isoceles triangles, they're also perfect for cleaning out charging ports and such with something strong enough to do the job, but totally non-conductive and a bit flexible. I think I've used up 20 out of that 100 pack in two years.
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Or you can use an old gift/credit card and be like gently caress this poo poo is barely sturdy enough to work.
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Oh dear, the 14TB externals are $200 now. Must not buy any more things! https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-14tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6390390.p?skuId=6390390
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Uggghhh every time those deals get posted I’m super tempted. I “only” have 9TB capacity available.
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drat that's cheap! Some quick eBay looking and math: $2700 - Supermicro 36 Bay Server 2x E5-2690v3 256 GB DDR4 (eBay) $5970 - 30x 14TB WD Easystore @ $199 each (Best Buy) $450 - 2x 2TB NVME SSD Cache $129 - unRAID Pro license Total: 392 TB usable: $9249 ($23.59/TB) That would be beasty
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For babbys first NAS, long term photo storage and backup with RAID (in addition to an off-site backup) and a Plex server I've promised my parents they will have access to remotely, is a Synology 1019+ an alright solution filled with some shucked drives from this Best Buy sale?
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