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OldMemes posted:Corbyn flubbed an easy election under a super unpopular PM. The country needs leadership that doesn't follow the Obedience Doctrine, the best route for that is Labour, if Labour tacks right then the country loses by default. Go gently caress yourself.
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Theodyn posted:I'm a lurker here, but it's very interesting how many people who I don't ever see in the thread suddenly turned up to poo poo-talk Labour and Corbyn. Does one have to be a senior regular to discuss the election here on the web
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Brexit has realigned electoral politics away from class lines. Meanwhile the working class is at a historically weak point in terms of organisation in work places. We need to rebuild from the ground up. The BBC are comparing this to results in the 30s but the situation for our movement is more like the 1880s- prior to new unionism. Corbynism never attempted to address the basic weakness of the working class. Socialists who have backed brexit for the last 59 years should be held to account. The reality of it has destroyed our class's political coherence.
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stev posted:Why have a bunch of shitheads turned up in this thread? cowards gloating
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Theodyn posted:I'm a lurker here, but it's very interesting how many people who I don't ever see in the thread suddenly turned up to poo poo-talk Labour and Corbyn. Speaking for myself, I'm angry. Johnson gets his mandate justifies him remaking the Tory party in his own image. All of Cameron's efforts to bring it to the centre right are gone, there's no moderates to keep Johnson in check, and all Corbyn can do is bask in his cult of personality. He's failed as a leader.
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OldMemes posted:Corbyn flubbed an easy election under a super unpopular PM. if only we had owen smith in charge
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I'm not reading the thread just now because I'm trying to sleep, but if we have lost we need to start talking general strikes. Topple this loving government. We cannot let them steal this. Solidarity, friends
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Failed Imagineer posted:I'm Irish debatable
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I feel sorry for the people who will wake up tomorrow and have to immediately face the news. Also praxiscast, I had to turn it off once the exit poll came out, I hope you guys are doing okay on the stream. Still crossing my fingers though
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I was so hopeful. If exit polls do end up being accurate then I guess May was right and we did vote for the pain, I hope tories enjoy the world they've voted in.
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And then when you do take JC back into the equation... come the gently caress on. Even if he's not your cup of tea, he literally have to be sitting in status to be less professionally useless than Boris.
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Zakutambah posted:I just do not understand people. Leaving JC to the side; how do you look at Boris, his performance up until now, his utter lack of empathy, his complete refusal to talk on any real policy over the campaign... how do you look at that, and think "yes, that person represents a party of values I support"? Nothing personal about it, just looking at him fumbling around in any professional role; mayor, politician, foreign sec, prime minister. Absolute clown shoes. We're mostly selfish, xenophobic and racist apparently.
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Drone_Fragger posted:exit polls tend to be pretty accurate to be fair There's a broad belief amongst the terminally online socialists that polls are meaningless and should always be ignored. This is why they're so shocked, despite polls trending towards this result for literally months. I'd expect the US Democratic Primary / Bernie thread to be in a similar state when Biden wins the primary, despite countless goons breathlessly planning for President Sanders to break out the guillotines.
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OldMemes posted:Speaking for myself, I'm angry. Johnson gets his mandate justifies him remaking the Tory party in his own image. All of Cameron's efforts to bring it to the centre right are gone, there's no moderates to keep Johnson in check, and all Corbyn can do is bask in his cult of personality. He's failed as a leader. Jesus Christ you're dumb.
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Zakutambah posted:I just do not understand people. Leaving JC to the side; how do you look at Boris, his performance up until now, his utter lack of empathy, his complete refusal to talk on any real policy over the campaign... how do you look at that, and think "yes, that person represents a party of values I support"? Nothing personal about it, just looking at him fumbling around in any professional role; mayor, politician, foreign sec, prime minister. Absolute clown shoes.
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Payndz posted:Jesus Christ. Went to let the dogs out, came back to find the exit polls were way worse than I'd even imagined possible. Why? Johnson (maybe) has a majority for his Brexit deal
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So they try and get brexit done, they can't, and we Bury the tories for a generation?
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Kaal posted:Corbyn doesn't really seem in tune with the electorate and hasn't for years. His total inability to grapple with Brexit in an authentic way spelled doom for his personal brand, and thoroughly split the Labour vote. This much has been fairly clear for years now. Frankly he'd probably have been much better off ceding power during the interim and coming back in after the issue had been resolved, since he just couldn't deal with it.
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African AIDS cum posted:Does one have to be a senior regular to discuss the election here on the web That's a good question, African AIDS cum
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Saith posted:I loving hate england
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African AIDS cum posted:Where you off to? Still funded for a PhD here but will try to gtfo for jobs in Germany afterwards, at least until the gammons die.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Mackers posted:debatable Is this trolling? have I been owned? really got me asking some serious questions over here FizFashizzle posted:Could the scots vote to leave the uk now? yeah
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OldMemes posted:Corbyn flubbed an easy election under a super unpopular PM. Welcome to my ignore list you blairite scum.
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Zakutambah posted:I just do not understand people. Leaving JC to the side; how do you look at Boris, his performance up until now, his utter lack of empathy, his complete refusal to talk on any real policy over the campaign... how do you look at that, and think "yes, that person represents a party of values I support"? Nothing personal about it, just looking at him fumbling around in any professional role; mayor, politician, foreign sec, prime minister. Absolute clown shoes. How much of that was actually visible in mainstream media, though? And how much did we have to piece together from all the random little sidechannels?
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I think Corbyn has just been poisoned by Brexit. Every other policy seems to cut through, but Brexit is a poisoned chalice and he's the latest to fall to it.
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UKMT General Elexmas 2019 - gently caress England
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Honestly gently caress this country
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I think Corbyn's weakness on Brexit has much to do with this. Now he's lost it all anyway while staying on the fence.
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FizFashizzle posted:Could the scots vote to leave the uk now? oh yeah that much is near certain, what is now very likely is hard brexit and scottish independence
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African AIDS cum posted:Does one have to be a senior regular to discuss the election here on the web Is it 2009 i thought we stopped letting people with barely-disguised pepe avatars and grotesquely racist user names post here
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FizFashizzle posted:Could the scots vote to leave the uk now? You'll see Tanks in Edinburgh and Glasgow before Boris let's Scotland have another vote. NI too. The troubles are coming back folks.
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Anidav posted:We'll you know Boris hired the guy who ran the Australian conservative election campaign. Oh aye? I honestly dropped out of a lot of political work after the last AU election, didn't know that. It's incredibly depressing that the strategy of "Say nothing. Hide everything. Have no vision" pay off again. Politics is just going to get worse and worse with this.
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Zakutambah posted:I just do not understand people. Leaving JC to the side; how do you look at Boris, his performance up until now, his utter lack of empathy, his complete refusal to talk on any real policy over the campaign... how do you look at that, and think "yes, that person represents a party of values I support"? Nothing personal about it, just looking at him fumbling around in any professional role; mayor, politician, foreign sec, prime minister. Absolute clown shoes. Facebook allows parties to create their own worlds. Journalism has no effect on these worlds.
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FizFashizzle posted:Could the scots vote to leave the uk now? Boris isn't going to give them a referendum but 5 years of far-right rule and Brexit disaster will all but guarantee which way that vote one day will go.
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