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Dick Bastardly posted:did the UK just elect a Trump miniboss what happened im scared boris was already pm, this is him continuing to be pm (mostly expected) and also having a complete majority with which to do whatever he wants with no realistic possibility of pushback (not expected) Answers Me posted:How many declarations do we need to wait for before we can say 'ok yeah this poll was probably right, we are hosed after all'
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Mackers posted:if youda grown up rich you'd have loved putting the boot down Yes Mackers, were the bad guys here. Certainly not you. Nothing weird about what you just posted.
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Igotadigbick posted:How is Jorris going to get out of this one? If he's in power and fucks brexit and the country and Corbs is gone, there wont be anything else to blame left and people will be angry when they reap what they have sowed. people who hosed themselves will never blame themselves, ever. a lot of the fascist project is harnessing the dissonance generated when you gently caress yourself up and directing it at an external enemy. self-inflicted national wounds are fascist rocket fuel.
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Orange Devil posted:Don't forget, there is no final victory and there is no final defeat. Don't give up. denial ---- UKMT is approximately here somewhere ---- anger bargaining depression acceptance Which is not to say "give up" but this thread is going to be a lot of people venting a lot of spleens for awhile, "don't give up" is the message after we've hit the depression/acceptance point until then, tories delenda est
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Answers Me posted:How many declarations do we need to wait for before we can say 'ok yeah this poll was probably right, we are hosed after all' It's going to take a while. Generally only safe seats get declared in the first few hours.
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Igotadigbick posted:How is Jorris going to get out of this one? If he's in power and fucks brexit and the country and Corbs is gone, there wont be anything else to blame left and people will be angry when they reap what they have sowed.
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Celexi posted:Tactical voting doesn't work
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ElNarez posted:they'll do it to centrists too, you dumb motherfuckers, the play is to just blatantly lie and smear anyone they oppose and they can get away with it because the press is owned by billionaires and you can't work at the BBC if you're not gonna play nice with that system Yeah, Miliband was New Labour and got absolutely crushed as well. There's nobody that can stand against the Tories and be free of the propaganda machine. The exit poll makes absolutely zero sense however, I can't fathom it at all, especially when Corbyn did so well last election and was getting Blair numbers. FPTP is utter shite. At this point I'm used to hoping for the best but expecting the worst, but the worst I could imagine is a Tory minority that didn't need DUP support. If it really is a blowout like this I'm lost as to how it happened. This country desperately needs a leader like Corbyn right now.
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Love from NY. I'm sorry this is looking so rough.  This lovely fight isn't over by a long shot. It probably doesn't mean much from a foreign lurker, but the electricity around this election was inspiring. Even with a loss, it's been a huge galvanizing force for young socialists around the world. The youth of the world (well, people under 50) are increasingly forming a collective consciousness, and there will be a reckoning, so we all need to keep our heads up.
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baka kaba posted:if it's a different methodology then it's not exactly proven, and the polls last time weren't exactly accurate either It's the exact same methodology and constituencies as they polled last time.
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Endorph posted:boris was already pm, this is him continuing to be pm (mostly expected) and also having a complete majority with which to do whatever he wants with no realistic possibility of pushback (not expected) Well yeah, that's what I meant, sorry for not being clear - how long until those seats start to come through?
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George Osborne legitimately interesting on ITV talking about what kind of Tory Party you get when its PM's electoral base is the post-industrial north. It's probably not a small state, deregulation one. Though the most obvious common ground he can find is probably racism.
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Answers Me posted:How many declarations do we need to wait for before we can say 'ok yeah this poll was probably right, we are hosed after all' The picture's usually unequivocally clear by about 4am; the tipping point where results are coming in too fast for broadcasters to keep up with them all is usually about half-2, and by 1am we'll have enough in to start making educated guesses about what way this is going.
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Butterfly Valley posted:Is this the thread I come in to type gently caress repeatedly yes
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Again it is entirely possible for the national vote share to be quite accurate but due to the way the votes are distributed, with tories going up in labour marginals and labour going up in tory strongholds, it being a massive loss for labour, and marginal-specific constituency polling would show this better than a national vote share extrapolated via haruspicy.
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Want to remind people that we could have had either a 2nd referendum or just straight up soft brexit but the SNP and LDs wouldn't vote together on it during the indicative votes.
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Answers Me posted:Well yeah, that's what I meant, sorry for not being clear - how long until those seats start to come through?
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Answers Me posted:How many declarations do we need to wait for before we can say 'ok yeah this poll was probably right, we are hosed after all' This post has some tips on where to watch: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3905288&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=158#post500691900
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Best to be like water, which benefits the ten thousand things and does not contend. Brexit is happening, the question is how to prepare for it and what to do afterward. Sorry. 
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Answers Me posted:How many declarations do we need to wait for before we can say 'ok yeah this poll was probably right, we are hosed after all' The first will almost definitely be a Labour stronghold. A Labour hold with a Tory swing pretty much validates the exit poll.
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Ah gently caress it. Whichever way it goes, a lot of good works been done. Have a beer, go to bed, do what you need to. All the people knocking on doors, swapping the way they'd vote, the energy put into this - that doesn't loving disappear. We'll keep on.
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Cefte posted:This must be what the McGovern campaign felt like. Reflecting on the meaning of the last presidential election, I have decided at this point in time that Mr. Nixon’s landslide victory and my overwhelming defeat will probably prove to be of greater value to the nation than would the victory my supporters and I worked so hard to achieve. I think history may demonstrate that it was not only important that Mr. Nixon win and that I lose, but that the margin should be of stunning proportions… . The shattering Nixon landslide, and the even more shattering exposure of the corruption that surrounded him, have done more than I could have done in victory to awaken the nation… . This is not a comfortable conclusion for a self-confident — some would say self-righteous — politician to reach…. — George McGovern in the Washington Post: Aug. 12th, 1973 Johnson is a crook and a liar. He, like Nixon, cannot elude fate forever.
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As someone who lives in Belfast. gently caress me we are super hosed now
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peanut- posted:George Osborne legitimately interesting on ITV talking about what kind of Tory Party you get when its PM's electoral base is the post-industrial north. It's probably not a small state, deregulation one. It's basically the GOP now and yeah the new Tory party won't care about giving poor people a break either.
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There are going to be a lot of first time voters who are now completely disillusioned by all this. It’s going to leave the left completely rudderless for a while.
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Squiddycat posted:I'm just a dumb american popping in but, please stay safe you guys. I care about you all.
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the only question that matters is what will we do tomorrow? i am far from the ideal agent of change. i get tired from work and basically just chuck money at the labour party as a salve to my conscience. what do i do to make things less poo poo? tomorrow is not a great day to start i am at my lovely job for like 12 hours
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I'm just gobsmacked the Tories can gain that many net seats whilst also getting wiped out in Scotland. Praying for Dennis Skinner rn.
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Endjinneer posted:Johnson is a crook and a liar. He, like Nixon, cannot elude fate forever. Yes but we all know he is, everyone knows he is, and no-one cares. This is the new normal. They can do whatever they want.
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oh but seriously I posted:the only question that matters is what will we do tomorrow? i am far from the ideal agent of change. i get tired from work and basically just chuck money at the labour party as a salve to my conscience. what do i do to make things less poo poo? tomorrow is not a great day to start i am at my lovely job for like 12 hours Sleep now, worry about tomorrow tomorrow
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Endorph posted:boris was already pm, this is him continuing to be pm (mostly expected) and also having a complete majority with which to do whatever he wants with no realistic possibility of pushback (not expected) 
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Regarde Aduck posted:Yes Mackers, were the bad guys here. Certainly not you. Nothing weird about what you just posted. awww the people responsible for unfathomable human suffering have hosed themselves with their own harpoon i'll be over here missing you :'( (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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the old world is dying and the new one struggles to be born. now is the time of monsters. keep faith comrades, today might be lovely, tomorrow might be lovely, but history and justice is on our side and we will win! the internationale will unite the human race!
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Answers Me posted:How many declarations do we need to wait for before we can say 'ok yeah this poll was probably right, we are hosed after all' Difficult to say. When the 2017 results started coming in, labour were ahead for around the first 250+ (iirc) and I was getting my hopes up. Fully urban constituency counts (and historically more likely to be labour) come in more quickly presumably because they have fewer polling stations and it's much quicker to get them to the counting place. Somewhere like mine with 85 polling stations as many as 30-40km from the counting place take longer just to get the boxes in before they can start the count.
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Sorry for this UK Goons. Just gonna get ready for some unpleasantness down the road. United Ireland back on the table probably.
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Pesmerga posted:There are going to be a lot of first time voters who are now completely disillusioned by all this. It’s going to leave the left completely rudderless for a while. Depending on the actual overall vote % share of all parties it might massively ramp up popular demand for electoral reform
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Still no declarations? If Blyth/Sunderland/Newcastle flip then we're in hellworld
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Cool gently caress gently caress loving fuckity loving cocksucking cunting gently caress Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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I'm sorry UK Goons. Please take care of yourselves. I suspect this is also a hint of what we should expect in the US next year.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:denial I think I went directly from depression to acceptance in the span of about 45 minutes.
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