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El Grillo posted:Is there a potential leader out there on the left of the party who could turn things around? Literally the only person charismatic and smart enough that I can think of is McDonnell. nobody on the left of the party will escape the monstering corbyn got. they're going to be crowing about their victory and go even harder next time
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Celexi posted:Are you able to get Irish citizenship ? Yes I have both already
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:hold on, as an american I have to ask, this was a line that has been floated? if so that's loving insane If it helps, I've never heard that at all from anyone other than americans on the internet. But, the public keep developing stupider and stuipder ideas, so maybe that will be the next thing to come.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:hold on, as an american I have to ask, this was a line that has been floated? if so that's loving insane People have been convinced that the NHS is struggling because socialised healthcare is an inherently bad idea. Not because it's been systematically bled dry and sold off for the last decade.
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go to work in the morning you fuckin worms lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Very much looking forward to Brexit at the end of Jan, definitely totally prepared for that. Very excited to have no healthcare. Can't wait to be arrested for walking in the loving countryside. The only way to survive 5 years will be in solidarity. Join a union tomorrow. Join an activist group. gently caress them, don't go quietly.
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Celexi posted:Considering how gutted the NHS has been, I doubt it will have any effect on public opinion, as the brex/con voters are going to believe the campaign that healthcare in america is better ( and actually was even better before obama) and will roll along with it, maybe in 20 or 30 years the uk will wake up but I am not sure. As an American I’m so, so sorry but this clearly shows you have no idea of the hell of our healthcare system if you believe no one will notice the NHS, as gutted as it is, changing to the living nightmare of privatized healthcare. I really, really hope you guys never will.
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Well this is a loving disaster isn’t it. Takeaways, assuming exits are as accurate as usual: * We are now committed to Brexit. It may not actually be the hardest of hard Brexits, because Boris now has a working majority and isn’t vulnerable to the ERG or other pressure groups. * Turbo-neoliberalism looks to be on the cards. Expect lowered taxes, pro-corporate policies being enacted, part-dismantling of the NHS, support for landlords, maybe removal of IHT, blanket support for gig economy. * That will bleed in to hurting the poorest people in the country: more food banks, more poverty, more misery. * Racism and hatred of the other will be further normalised. The UK is about 40% gammon, and with a result like this they have recast the whole country in their image. Whole country is a giant Toby Jug. * Foreign policy, we’re going to align with the US.
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El Grillo posted:Is there a potential leader out there on the left of the party who could turn things around? Literally the only person charismatic and smart enough that I can think of is McDonnell. Rebecca Long-Bailey is the thread favourite I think, but McDonnell would have been my pick over Corbyn all along. We're not likely to get a chance to find out for at least another 5 years. I'd honestly not be surprised to see Boris join Trump as Presidents for Life at this point. I don't understand people
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Mackers posted:go to work in the morning you fuckin worms lol I'm on the dole mate
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Barry Shitpeas posted:this is the worst pwm reunion Its not good
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Hey UKMT - Canadian here watching the exit polls in a pub and having a pint. Just want to say I’m sorry your energy and effort didn’t breakthrough the bullshit, hopefully BoJo fucks it all up so badly so quickly that this is short lived. Anyway, I hate this hellworld and am sad that this might be your result, it sucks so loving huge that we have the Trump and Boris show.
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Endjinneer posted:Reflecting on the meaning of the last presidential election, I have decided at this point in time that Mr. Nixon’s landslide victory and my overwhelming defeat will probably prove to be of greater value to the nation than would the victory my supporters and I worked so hard to achieve. I think history may demonstrate that it was not only important that Mr. Nixon win and that I lose, but that the margin should be of stunning proportions… . The shattering Nixon landslide, and the even more shattering exposure of the corruption that surrounded him, have done more than I could have done in victory to awaken the nation… . This is not a comfortable conclusion for a self-confident — some would say self-righteous — politician to reach….
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I think Corbyn’s negative image is not doing Labour any justice. I think some people vote against him on principle. My family is going to be very insufferable and gently caress this country. I thought America had it bad with Trump but Bojo is probably 10x worse. You bet he’s gonna gloat about it in the next Parliament meeting.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:this is the worst pwm reunion
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Jesus we're going to be at war again (or some more? I know we've been in foreverwar since I was a kid but it's going to kick off properly again) before next year is done aren't we? Bets on with whom?
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The tory position on a lot of things is, in fact, that there aren't problems, that any problems are actually labour's fault, and the tories will fix the problems. And people for some reason believe this in spite of the evidence to the contrary, likely because the press simply accepts the claims at face value.
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Mackers posted:go to work in the morning you fuckin worms lol gently caress you lol
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Barry Shitpeas posted:this is the worst pwm reunion Hah.
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jimmydalad posted:I think Corbyn’s negative image is not doing Labour any justice. I think some people vote against him on principle. My family is going to be very insufferable and gently caress this country. I thought America had it bad with Trump but Bojo is probably 10x worse. You bet he’s gonna gloat about it in the next Parliament meeting. i agree but its happening under another left wing labour leader
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Venuz Patrol posted:exit poll seems to point toward the most absurd possible outcome, with boris johnson and jo swinson both losing their seats despite a tory majority forming ed: actually it probably wouldn't have mattered, idk, seems like canvassing only works when you've got something that "people" (reactionaries, here) want to buy
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thespaceinvader posted:Jesus we're going to be at war again (or some more? I know we've been in foreverwar since I was a kid but it's going to kick off properly again) before next year is done aren't we? Bets on with whom? France
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Im going to work tomorrow for a company that had a senior party stand up on Monday and say the company would most likely close in 2 years if Corbyn won so yeah lol
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Jose posted:nobody on the left of the party will escape the monstering corbyn got. they're going to be crowing about their victory and go even harder next time If it's any consolation, achieving the nomination threshold for a leadership election is pretty easy with only 190 MPs. Seriously though, now we have to encourage the membership not to give in to despair and elect somebody like Jess Phillips or Keir Starmer who will take the party back to the right and immediately lock the membership out of power.
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That's the thing really, there's one thing just watching the news on and off and voting Boris Johnson because you think he's funny, it's another having thousands of people going out every night for a month knocking on doors in the rain and really trying for something different. Whether or not it is a 'majority' it is the passion that drives change. I don't want to queue for five years for another chance of being hosed - I'd rather be one that does something about it. gently caress another footnote in how poo poo the media is. We have to fight for what we want, democratically or otherwise. justcola fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:I’m too tired to detect trolling but come on man, no one in here is a ‘britnat’. i disagree with you but i also recognise that i'm lashing out right now, i know it's not really anyone's fault in this thread and im sorry
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jimmydalad posted:I think Corbyn’s negative image is not doing Labour any justice. I think some people vote against him on principle. My family is going to be very insufferable and gently caress this country. I thought America had it bad with Trump but Bojo is probably 10x worse. You bet he’s gonna gloat about it in the next Parliament meeting. Literally any leader that doesn't want to kill the poors would have a negative image because the press lies about people like that.
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Paperhouse posted:doesn't really make a difference because they're still Tories and would ally with them if necessary Don't think that's saying brexit party won, but rather split the vote and kept the Tories from winning.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:France Oh cool. Scotland can revive the Auld Alliance.
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jimmydalad posted:I think Corbyn’s negative image is not doing Labour any justice. I think some people vote against him on principle. My family is going to be very insufferable and gently caress this country. I thought America had it bad with Trump but Bojo is probably 10x worse. You bet he’s gonna gloat about it in the next Parliament meeting. ANy leader who could have had the same galvanising effect on the Labour base would have had exactly the same negative image, probably on exactly the same issues. Corbyn isn't the problem, the fascists are.
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Paperhouse posted:doesn't really make a difference because they're still Tories and would ally with them if necessary I was taking this to mean that they had sucked enough votes from the Tories that some other party had won, as opposed to the Brexit party winning that seat.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:this is the worst pwm reunion Could be worse, at least we don't have to deal with pissflaps' shtick.
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jimmydalad posted:I think Corbyn’s negative image is not doing Labour any justice. I think some people vote against him on principle. My family is going to be very insufferable and gently caress this country. I thought America had it bad with Trump but Bojo is probably 10x worse. You bet he’s gonna gloat about it in the next Parliament meeting. Corbyn's "negative image" is completely manufactured by the UK press though.
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