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Darth Walrus posted:Remember that 406 constituencies voted Leave and 242 voted Remain. This is just those results finally translating into a general election. See my post above yours.
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Oh look, some good news: https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1205307945652826112 gently caress OFF FRANK FIELD
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Dec 13, 2019 03:07
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Yep, we're hosed. Wycome got +2k for Labour ... but we still lost it Steve loving Baker. Turnout has hosed us. My thoughts with everyone who is going to get utterly screwed by ultra hardcore brexit and neo-conning. The one vague shaft of light here is once Brexit doesn't get done, we might see a backlash. But just ... gently caress.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:08
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Angepain posted:going to have to be 20 times more gay and trans now just to spite the tories Debate & Discussion › UKMT December: make it gayer
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Dec 13, 2019 03:09
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Private Speech posted:erryone is a racist I guess and people loving love bigotry woo racism 
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Dec 13, 2019 03:09
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How the loving gently caress is turnout low again?! I know there was rain and Christmas dos, but what will it take to make people loving vote.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:10
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cant wait to tell americans "hey guys you shouldnt gently caress up in the heartlands as the far right rise" why did we send people to cw to campaign for tactical voting lmao thats like pissing on *checks notes* iowa
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Dec 13, 2019 03:10
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Jollity Farm posted:I am suicidal. The country and the whole world are dominated by small-minded bigots who think wealth and power are more important than human life. Why should I have to stay alive for this garbage world? My brother's cat died and it was an omen, there's nothing joyful for anyone except the shittiest people. the only thing keeping me alive right now is knowing my dog would be sad if I killed myself
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Dec 13, 2019 03:10
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RockyB posted:Yep, we're hosed. The Silver Lining is that Boris is going to Brexit, and it's going to be terrible, and they won't be able to use Labour as an excuse it's cold comfort but at this juncture the best you can do is help yourselves and each other out at a local and personal level because the Tories sure as gently caress won't.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:11
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Yeah, at this point, I'm prepared to say that the Labour leadership badly miscalculated this election, but it was in the same way that the centrist melts miscalculated it. They got too fussed about holding on in Remain seats when Leave seats had always been enough for someone to get a government majority.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:That's the thing, we need a manifesto that suckers in the melts and then day one 'oh no we accidentally put an extra zero on the end of the corporate tax lol" Yeah exactly. And ideally the way it redistributes wealth is complicated and hard to understand and explain so everyone glosses over it during the campaign and the full impact only becomes clear when suddenly people realise it’s now 100% taxation on rental income or sth.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:12
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What I'll be interested to see is what the turnout is like. How far off the predictions were about 90% of over 65s and 35% of under 25s voting was. How the youth voted and how the olds voted. If the youthquake was peopled entirely by idiots who went Lib and split the opposition at a constituency level (or didn't turn up to vote), then that would be a massive problem because it means the future is probably hosed. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Dec 13, 2019 03:12
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:The Silver Lining is that Boris is going to Brexit, and it's going to be terrible, and they won't be able to use Labour as an excuse lol it'll be labours fault, along with the perfidious scots and the ungrateful irish
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:The Silver Lining is that Boris is going to Brexit, and it's going to be terrible, and they won't be able to use Labour as an excuse They can and will use Labour as an excuse. Tories lie when they open their mouths. I think this election is a pretty decisive showing of how a second referendum would have gone and the FBPE types still won't get the message lol.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:13
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Turnout in Stroud was like 78% so maybe we might not be hosed? But we're probably hosed.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:13
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:The Silver Lining is that Boris is going to Brexit, and it's going to be terrible, and they won't be able to use Labour as an excuse They'll find a loving way though, won't they. They'll blame the 190 Labour MPs or the 2000s government, and cunts will lap it up.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:13
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Clwyd South just turned Conservative. It's been Labour since its creation in '97
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Moola posted:the only thing keeping me alive right now is knowing my dog would be sad if I killed myself I would be sad too.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:15
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How do you ever form a good government when it turns out the majority of people want bad things like racism and Brexit? Like, do you just accept that you have to support the abject stupidity of Brexit regardless of what a horrid idea it is, in hopes that you can do other things which are less awful?
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Dec 13, 2019 03:15
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:The Silver Lining is that Boris is going to Brexit, and it's going to be terrible, and they won't be able to use Labour as an excuse It'll be interesting if it happens sooner than that with a Conservative majority essentially being a rubber-stamp for Brexit. The stock market opens Friday and immediately start a cascading crash. The Friday The 13th Crash/Depression has a ring with it.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:16
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Young Freud posted:It'll be interesting if it happens sooner than that with a Conservative majority essentially being a rubber-stamp for Brexit. The stock market opens Friday and immediately start a cascading crash. The pound is 'soaring' [BBC words not mine] right now so nope. Prolly be a slow economic strangulation like the past decade except even worse, somehow.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:17
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Doccykins posted:Finished another board in Putney, only one Tory who I think we had the daughter's labour vote on our sheet who wanted to give me an earful about how she had scrimped and saved and YOU LOT WILL RUIN IT (from the doorstep of her 3 story house) Ahahahhaa eat poo poo you Tory gently caress. Take every victory comrades x
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Dec 13, 2019 03:18
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, at this point, I'm prepared to say that the Labour leadership badly miscalculated this election, but it was in the same way that the centrist melts miscalculated it. They got too fussed about holding on in Remain seats when Leave seats had always been enough for someone to get a government majority. That's the thing, it's very hard to see how this would have gone much better for the bland remainer Blairite candidate they're desperate for. I don't remember many of the centrists saying Labour should be running on a strong brexit platform focused on holding Northern seats and winning pro-leave Tory marginals. Turns out the person that was most right was Kate loving Hoey.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:19
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stev posted:They'll find a loving way though, won't they. They'll blame the 190 Labour MPs or the 2000s government, and cunts will lap it up. And nobody in parliament or the media would point out that it's Swinson who should step aside if her personal opinions are in the way of supposed party leanings.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:19
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For those hoping Brexit will hurt the Tories - remember that a solid majority means 5 years of Boris. That's 5 years for the bad effects to be counter-acted by a recovery. Voters are like goldfish - they'll forget the Brexit shock if things are slowly improving (relatively speaking) by the time of the next election. Probably more damning will be the Scottish/Irish reactions, especially if it leads to IndyRef2 or Troubles 2.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:20
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PT6A posted:How do you ever form a good government when it turns out the majority of people want bad things like racism and Brexit? Let the apocalypse wash over the lands and hope for better things a few decades down the line as future generations rebuild. This paints a grim picture of the future US election. Maybe racism alone can galvanize the working class against their own interest.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:20
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Boris is going to be here for 5 years? Its a tie twirler
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PT6A posted:How do you ever form a good government when it turns out the majority of people want bad things like racism and Brexit? Exit poll says yes. To get elected you need to make a big fuss about giving people the big stupid evil things they want and hide your actual agenda until you’re in power. Like, one thing to come out of this is that Boris and his coterie are actually supporting the interests of the centre-right elite, which doesn’t give a poo poo about the interests of Brexit-voting northerners, only about getting paid. So a couple of years down the line we’ll probably see the gammons complaining that the death camps they were promised are overdue and over budget and there’s no money for guards or maintenance.
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stev posted:They'll find a loving way though, won't they. They'll blame the 190 Labour MPs or the 2000s government, and cunts will lap it up.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:21
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Not every Tory voter is a racist, but the overwhelming message here seems to be that voters want Brexit done and voted Tory to do it, and sadly that will throw so many minorities under the bus. One of the key things Labour needs to do is be able to rebuild a platform to talk to people, listen to them, but also explain why policies like Brexit will hurt people without talking down to them.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:22
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:The Silver Lining is that Boris is going to Brexit, and it's going to be terrible, and they won't be able to use Labour as an excuse Or they can just dither on it again until the next election.
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JosefStalinator posted:For those hoping Brexit will hurt the Tories - remember that a solid majority means 5 years of Boris. That's 5 years for the bad effects to be counter-acted by a recovery. Voters are like goldfish - they'll forget the Brexit shock if things are slowly improving (relatively speaking) by the time of the next election. Not to mention redistricting and voter id. We are proper hosed. Not So Fast posted:every Tory voter is a racist
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Dec 13, 2019 03:22
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JosefStalinator posted:Probably more damning will be the Scottish/Irish reactions, especially if it leads to IndyRef2 or Troubles 2.
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Republicans posted:Or they can just dither on it again until the next election. lol i really doubt the eu's gonna be down for 5 years of extensions
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Dec 13, 2019 03:23
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Not So Fast posted:Not every Tory voter is a racist i beg to differ
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peanut- posted:That's the thing, it's very hard to see how this would have gone much better for the bland remainer Blairite candidate they're desperate for. I don't remember many of the centrists saying Labour should be running on a strong brexit platform focused on holding Northern seats and winning pro-leave Tory marginals. That’s probably true - a populist “socialism for us and gently caress the foreigners” candidate probably would have swept the board.
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Dec 13, 2019 03:24
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Yeah, the next few years will be entirely about making sure that the British public can't hurt the Tories for loving them over. This is not a party with any serious interest in democracy.
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Not So Fast posted:Not every Tory voter is a racist, but the overwhelming message here seems to be that voters want Brexit done and voted Tory to do it, and sadly that will throw so many minorities under the bus. lol what do you think racism is?
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JosefStalinator posted:For those hoping Brexit will hurt the Tories - remember that a solid majority means 5 years of Boris. That's 5 years for the bad effects to be counter-acted by a recovery. Voters are like goldfish - they'll forget the Brexit shock if things are slowly improving (relatively speaking) by the time of the next election. a lot of predictions put the actual brexit process as like a decade, maybe more. And it's not getting better during that time, NI and Scotland feeling more and more like splitting from the UK (de facto or otherwise) and aligning with the EU is a safer and safer bet. Trade negotiations are gonna be pure trash and the EU are gonna make a lot of demands that are similar to the current situation
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