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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Lol okay, gently caress you buddy. You come in here with the antisemetism garbage that you know is bullshit lies, and then act all offended when people call you a dumb prick. Get bent. Calm down. I am not offended. I dont like being told to randomly "gently caress off" for a differing opinion though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Labour_Party Read that. El Grillo posted:People think they want Brexit, and they really, really think they don't like Jeremy Corbyn. I really really don't wan't Brexit. And I really really don't want Corbyn either. So I was kinda hosed.
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Skyarb posted:Are real results starting to come in? Is it as bad as the exit poll was saying? It’s very very bad, but it’s looking like only 50-60 labour seats lost. So still not good news.
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Skyarb posted:Are real results starting to come in? Is it as bad as the exit poll was saying? There have been a few upsets against the Tories, but a few against Labour as well. A lot of swings that were bigger than predicted. But nowhere near what we'd need for the tory majority to not happen. Happening status: it's probably not.
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Spiffster posted:I know it sucks folks but please hang in there. We are all in this together and you have friends all over this dead forum that wish you the best from all over the globe. Just as we will try next year in the US, I know the UK will pull out of this bullshit. Your efforts were not in vain as it only strengthens your will for a better tomorrow and better ideas for what will work next time. On the other hand, you're absolutely totally hosed. And thanks for that, the Danish Anti-EU party has been oddly quiet about leaving the EU lately, the UK descending into chaos probably wont make them braver.
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Labour antisemitism is up there with 'anti-white' in disingenuous bullshit.
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The implication of all of this is that people voted on cultural/identity lines not material interest. Brexit and are you One Of Us beat out hospitals and public services. We will see but I suspect Labour has performed ok to well in London and the SE, but has lost a chunk of its working class base outside of that.
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Wolfechu posted:I've been gone from the UK 12 years now, but I thought it'd take a lot loving longer than that for Yorkshire to go Conservative. Anyway, here's a tweet from the future: https://twitter.com/osamabishounen/status/1205296715680477185
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spud posted:Calm down. I am not offended. I dont like being told to randomly "gently caress off" for a differing opinion though. when u cite wikipedia but dont even read the opening paragraphs quote:Corbyn established the Chakrabarti Inquiry, which concluded that the party was not "overrun by anti-Semitism or other forms of racism", although there was an "occasionally toxic atmosphere" and "clear evidence of ignorant attitudes".[1][2] The Home Affairs Select Committee of Parliament held an inquiry into antisemitism in the UK in the same year and found "no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party"
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Ahdinko posted:That doesn't explain why Conservatives got a larger vote share than before in most of the CON Gain seats though. There were Brexit party candidates in almost all of them. Conservatives got purged of conservative remainers and unified itself behind get brexit done.Thats the reason they stood down in some safe seats.They probably attracted people who want leave from labour. In contested seats they captured labour leaver who couldn't or didn't want to vote conservative.
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spud posted:Calm down. I am not offended. I dont like being told to randomly "gently caress off" for a differing opinion though. You read it, smuggo.
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what was up with the "provisional" part of the PIRA anyway was it a "for the duration of the current emergency and we will demobilize once the limeys are driven from our shores" thing
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spud posted:Read that. the independent posted:Boris Johnson depicted Jews as controlling the media and being able to “fiddle” elections in a little-known 2004 novel written while he was a Tory MP, it has emerged. but of course the *worst* antisemitism comes from the socialists!
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Well, that's disappointing, Brexit and lies triumphed. All we have to do now is hope that Brexit will be sorted one way or another, and the next election will be on a more even keel. Hopefully with a leader who has been less successfully smeared. Corbyns ideas were great, but I think everyone here can agree he's not the best when it comes to interviews, if we can replace him (in a few months oc) with someone people like more, with 5 more years of Tory misrule (I hate having to type that), and without the specter of Brexit - Then we try again.
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Countdown to Nigel Farage getting a knighthood that wasn't offered and he'd never accept.
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lol lib dems on twitter saying swinson only lost because of the SNP leaflets saying she took money from a fracking company
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We need someone who will get properly shouty whenever the tories make the slightest mistake.
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https://twitter.com/jrhopkin/status/1205309595968823297?s=19 https://twitter.com/MkBlyth/status/1205328336572092416?s=19 idk if this is it, but poo poo, this might go a ways to explaining why Labour hosed up with the working class
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Apraxin posted:There are people nearly in their 40s now with no memory of the mines or what happened during the strike. Thatcher and her minions are gone, literally dead and buried in most cases, and the same's true of the unions and the recollection of why this was a Labour stronghold in the first place. And here's jolly, roly-poly mister Johnson who talks straight and likes a pint and says he's going to get Brexit done... I suppose so. I mean, I'm in my late 40s, so I grew up with the Strike smack in the middle of my childhood. But the coal industry didn't grind to a halt in a day, it took a long, long time, and the ramifications of removing a major industry from an area that size (and steel, and textiles, and...) - and also years of not giving a gently caress if there were any jobs for anyone afterward, well into the 90s... You think that'd still be in a fair few people's minds. I suppose not. I'm not very encouraged right now.
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gently caress you Gyimah e: and gently caress the rich that vote the Tories when Grenfell happens in their back yard, cunts
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Lightning Knight posted:when u cite wikipedia but dont even read the opening paragraphs I read the entire thing. I guess Jews must just be wrong then? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/10/anyone-but-corbyn-jewish-voters-turn-away-from-labour https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/08/labour-antisemitism-row-may-affect-election-result-says-mcdonnell Momentum is what lost this for us, not Brexit.
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what the gently caress has anti-semitism got to do with momentum? gently caress off
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Bobby Deluxe posted:We need someone who will get properly shouty whenever the tories make the slightest mistake. I don't suppose Brian Blessed fancies a go?
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I suppose at least this means no chance of No Deal...
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spud posted:I read the entire thing. I guess Jews must just be wrong then? They’re conservatives, so yes, they’re just wrong lol. Turns out if Rupert Murdoch and his lovely friends blast out “Labour are the new Nazis” 24/7 gullible conservatives will believe them.
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escapegoat posted:I suppose at least this means no chance of No Deal... What makes you think that?
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spud posted:
You mean you don't want leftist politics.
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The Tories are now filled with literal yes-men. They're going to vote through Boris' deal no matter what.
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TTerrible posted:What makes you think that? It seems a bit unlikely, at least. After all Boris still has his deal which he failed to get past commons.
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spud posted:Momentum is what lost this for us, not Brexit oh gently caress off, blaming activists, the very base of any proper left politics? are you loving sure you are not a repressed liberal democrat?
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Lightning Knight posted:They’re conservatives, so yes, they’re just wrong lol. Who do you mean by "They’re conservatives, so yes, they’re just wrong lol." ?
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marktheando posted:lol lib dems on twitter saying swinson only lost because of the SNP leaflets saying she took money from a fracking company Leaflets with actual facts in them do seem to be something of an anathema to the Lib Dems.
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spud posted:Who do you mean by "They’re conservatives, so yes, they’re just wrong lol." ? You going to respond to actual examples of anti semitism from bojo, or are you going to gently caress off?
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spud posted:Who do you mean by "They’re conservatives, so yes, they’re just wrong lol." ? They’re moving from Labour to Conservative and coming up with a post hoc justification for why Labour are the bad guys and not them. It’s just a variation on “I would’ve voted left but leftists keep calling everything racist and are so fragile so I’m going to vote for the racists instead  “In actual relevant news: https://twitter.com/seamus_malek/status/1205323384906608641?s=21
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GreyjoyBastard posted:what was up with the "provisional" part of the PIRA anyway No, they just hadn't passed their IRA test yet. And people, stop talking about Boris's "deal". His deal is No Deal, delayed a year but impossible for parliament to prevent even if they wanted to. And he is not beholden to the ERG because he is ERG.
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Lightning Knight posted:They’re moving from Labour to Conservative and coming up with a post hoc justification for why Labour are the bad guys and not them. It’s just a variation on “I would’ve voted left but leftists keep calling everything racist and are so fragile so I’m going to vote for the racists instead Still haven't answered me. Who are "they" and "they're"?
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TTerrible posted:What makes you think that? Boris now has a majority to get his deal through.
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El Pollo Blanco posted:You going to respond to actual examples of anti semitism from bojo, or are you going to gently caress off? Not empty quote
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spud posted:Still haven't answered me. Who are "they" and "they're"? The people in the article you linked you disingenuous rear end in a top hat.
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spud posted:Still haven't answered me. Who are "they" and "they're"? Can you gently caress off you disingenuous oval office?
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