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punk rebel ecks posted:So why are Britain's voting for the Tory's? Why not Labour?
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marktheando posted:people in northern Ireland are moving more towards reunification, especially young people, and this can only increase as brexit totally fucks them Ms Adequate posted:More, as the DUP in government were never going to support a move like that but also had the influence to prevent an alternative happening (Which was May's whole issue). Having a border of any sort down the Irish Sea is going to send the DUP and other Unionists into absolute apopleptics, and that alone won't make them ardent Republicans or anything, but the GFA is going to be stressed and possibly break down and all the talk I'm hearing is growing support for, at the least, talking about reunification. I hope you two are right, the fewer people subject to wherever the (soon to be formerly, one hopes) UK is heading, the better.
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Kokoro Wish posted:Man, as much I was on board for thinking it was wise to play the referendum, second vote card, I definitely feel like capitulating on the Brexit result at all cost them dearly. I always said that this referendum was not non-binding at all, but I thought giving people a second say was smart. No, Labour should probably has stuck to the result and worked their own Brexit plan, none of the waffle. The people had already spoken as far as alot in the Labour heartlands were concerned and their position served them not at all. The current election map looks a lot like the post-Brexit constituency map. You go hardline Remain, you're jettisoning a huge majority of seats.
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Darth Walrus posted:Way too many folks ITT obsessed with finding the optimal strategy in a rigged game. The alternatives to playing the rigged game are: 1. Infiltration of key elements resulting in a coup. This would be in the teeth of the modern surveillance state, without the support of a foreign power (unless you could get China or Russia on side) and susceptible to disruption by the US. In the 0.0000001% likelihood of success, the best case scenario is that UK ends up like Venezuela, Cuba or NK. Also climate change has killed us all by the time you succeed. 2. Grassroots campaign of civil disobedience and strikes, to build up the idea that only a Labour government can end the chaos. 3...?
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punk rebel ecks posted:So why are Britain's voting for the Tory's? Why not Labour? Turns out you can avoid interviews, be racist, basically do whatever the gently caress you want because people want to leave the EU by the end of next month rather than have a proper health or education service. Corbyn wasn't popular, but the media have smeared every Labour leader for ten years. Centrist parties don't work either. I don't know. I have a hangover.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:26
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Anyway gently caress it. It’s 1.30pm here, time to start drinking and contemplating the giant black hole of horror that is the soul of modern Britain.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:27
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Serene Dragon posted:I want to loving crawl in a hole and die but hey, at least you fuckheads can't blame Scotland this time like you did in 2017. This trainwreck is all on England, as it always bloody is. God I wish we'd gone independent when we had the chance. I think it's Wales too this time, used to be solid Labour but had been going more and more brexit/Tory focused. Too long being the poor cousin maybe? I'm currently rapidly switching between wanting to just give up any investment or interest in politics, and deciding what to set on fire first.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:28
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I don't think we can give up on left wing ideals. We're not wrong on the issues, and as far as we might move right, they're always going to move further than us. I'd rather stay in the wilderness. Revolution needs only a spark
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punk rebel ecks posted:So why are Britain's voting for the Tory's? Why not Labour? Racism, false consciousness, generational warfare by the olds, Corbyn being treated as a Jew hating IRA lover who was a danger to national security, British public being wrong about nearly everything. Pick your poison. That said it's far too soon for a post mortem.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:28
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Not going to lie after today it feels like there's a political project in the Anglo sphere to reject immigrants like me when things go bad.My assimilated and citizen status will last till the last individual of an easily otherizable group is cleansed.Others will suffer more and earlier but I won't be spared.And thanks to the coming climate change things will go bad. If TERF island torpedoes itself like this I can't imagine what is going to happen in racism island ( Australia for those not in the know)
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Darth Walrus posted:The current election map looks a lot like the post-Brexit constituency map. You go hardline Remain, you're jettisoning a huge majority of seats. Oh no I was actually implying that Labour should have gone in hard for Brexit on their terms. The people had spoken, we will enact their will, etc. The second referendum with remain feels like it was a definite mistake.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:29
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Dec 13, 2019 06:29
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I'm so sorry. I went out and did my best, it wasn't enough. Isolate, nuke the lovely island I live on immediately. It's fine, the cost is outweighed by the benefits. Alternatively, reformist socialistm has always been bullshit, only revoluntary socialism can achieve its goals to liberate the working class. Death to the bourgeoisie.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:32
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Huh, Cruddas held on after all https://twitter.com/bbcelection/status/1205353682948239361
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Dec 13, 2019 06:32
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Hahaha Swinson on the dole. Thank you, scotland
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hump day bitches! posted:Not going to lie after today it feels like there's a political project in the Anglo sphere to reject immigrants like me when things go bad.My assimilated and citizen status will last till the last individual of an easily otherizable group is cleansed.Others will suffer more and earlier but I won't be spared.And thanks to the coming climate change things will go bad. It's not even an Anglo project, Europe has been getting progressively more xenophobic and even Southeast Asia is just throwing their Muslim minorities into the sea. Global capitalism is faltering, and rather than give up any hope of joining the rich elites and turning against them, there's just been a project to blame The Other regardless of how other they really are.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:33
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huh, i guess people really did single issue vote on brexit. i think we're in for a fun time when it slowly dawns on people there's no "get it done" that occurs quickly because that's not something that just can be done overnight
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Dec 13, 2019 06:33
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If “get it done” just means “kill it as a matter for debate” then that’s happened. Just now. Brexit is now part of our future and we have to make the best we can of it.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:35
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namesake posted:I'm so sorry. I went out and did my best, it wasn't enough. I tweeted pretty much the same to Jezza. I literally cannot get what's going on.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:36
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I don't understand how anyone can think the status quo of the last few years is worth preserving. Particularly while Johnson's been at the helm. According to my cousin (who's v active in Labour local to her but hates Corbyn, because she is terrible) it's because of bad opposition. Has she not even seen how many young people registered? And the engagement so many have shown, you guys all working your asses off going door to door... gently caress that, an awesome opposition was put up.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:37
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Don't give up. Whether it's here or in another country, we can't roll over because an election didn't work out. The months ahead are going to be rough and people will need us (but look after yourself first) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZZWc8-1_o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_R96owCP0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oro_m-IlK4
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Dec 13, 2019 06:38
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You deserve this, Britain. You loving idiots.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:40
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Jedit posted:The Tory counting agent at my table knew the team supervisor, and before the count they were talking about Labour leaders and the unelectability of Corbyn. This Tory woman then said that John Smith was the greatest leader Labour had ever had and he would have wiped the floor with Blair. I was greatly surprised to hear a Conservative singing the praises of a strong lefty Labour leader. The only socialists the tories can like are dead ones.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:43
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ZeeBoi posted:You deserve this, Britain. You loving idiots.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:43
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justcola posted:Don't give up. Whether it's here or in another country, we can't roll over because an election didn't work out. The months ahead are going to be rough and people will need us (but look after yourself first) This really helps, thanks!
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Dec 13, 2019 06:43
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Like the last election Labour unprecedentedly gained seats. I mean what an rear end turnaround. Makes me scared for America.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:44
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I need to remind you all that in the next five years a lot of innocent people are going to die because of this government Nobody deserves this except the ruling class, but they will never know what it's like for everyone under their boots
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Dec 13, 2019 06:45
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What we need in 2020 are the Thatcher years but cranked up
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Dec 13, 2019 06:49
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ZeeBoi posted:What we need in 2020 are the Thatcher years but cranked up Oh yeah, I'll look forward to the trans version of Section 28 kicking my arse. Sounds great
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Venomous posted:I need to remind you all that in the next five years a lot of innocent people are going to die because of this government No one in here doesn't know that, apart from the fly by wankers
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Dec 13, 2019 06:52
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Dear UK goons, please keep safe. If you have MH problems use the NHS as long as it’s still available. This is not the end.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:53
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Venomous posted:https://twitter.com/jrhopkin/status/1205309595968823297?s=19 Australian here: this is it. The major left parties in western nations have their origins in working class union politics however a century of political and social shift has put the progressive politics of those parties in direct fire with the working class. For example the working class see their jobs going to foreigners, and the history of unionisation is rife with racist attitudes regardong job security, and their jobs straight up disappearing due to global technological progress. So the original parties of the working class now find themselves spruiking social policies that the working class hates. They want populist promises to bring about their lost cause (see also: Rust Belt for Trump). Instead Labor, Labour and the Democrats find themselves trying to on one hand say they are the parties of the working class while trying to be oblivious the working class breaks hard for isolationist populist racists as thats what they want (One Nation in Australia, UKIP and now Brexit in UK, GOP/Trump in US). The answer is the bitter pill - despite the origins being from working class unions the simple fact is politically these parties are all instead the parties of cosmopolitan middle class liberals and trying to deny that and be both cosmopolitan politics while also trying to court the working class is never going to work against straight populism in the depressed working areas. See also: Huey Long.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Oh yeah, I'll look forward to the trans version of Section 28 kicking my arse. Sounds great Oh, I'm going for the LGBTQ officer for our clp, naturally we dont have one. I need your support, because after that I'm going for chair, if I do well enough.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:54
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Brexit is poo poo but the main thing I'm worried about is what the unfettered capitalism will do to the environment.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:54
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Went to bed seething and have woken up much the same. I'm really glad my first appointment's at 12:30 today - it's going to be really hard to put on a happy face today.
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Dec 13, 2019 06:56
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gently caress this stupid country and the inhabitants of it, I'm proud to be in the minority on this one.
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