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Every shitlib i read is reacting like they unseated chavez lol enjoy your far right bullshit, liberal
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Corbyn is apparently a "populist" now, which is code for "don't want to gently caress over the lower classes" i think
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Apraxin posted:against the part of the country that has 90% of the population the reformation in scotland was a mistake
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Bushmaori posted:What's the death and bankruptcy threshold until the vote starts to shift? Place your bets on garbage humanity now by the time the vote shifts, people will no longer be allowed to vote
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hmm lets see if we can sum up the night Bad news: -Lol virtually everything Good news: -Lib Dems managed to lose seats overall, including that of their leader, and are completely irrelevant with 11 seats remaining. Eat poo poo JK Rowling. -SNP whipped rear end, winning 48/59 districts in Scotland (and coming VERY close in most of those remaining 11) -DUP controls less than half of Northern Ireland -Uhhhh Labour managed to outperform the initial exit poll by 11 or so seats, which is something i guess Vox Nihili has issued a correction as of 08:18 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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THS posted:the guardian might be the worst newspaper on earth at the moment
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Apraxin posted:well i mean they can try a unilateral declaration of independence against the part of the country that has 90% of the population, control of the armed forces, and has just elected a party of revanchist nationalism into power and see where that ends up i guess Its important to not resist too hard or the people holding your face down against the floor and burning the life-jackets might get annoyed as the ship is sinking. (Also the rich have all taken the lifeboats like an hour earlier lol)
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Dec 13, 2019 08:18
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Globalization is never going away, just stop STOP.
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the death of the national compromise by way of communications technology was always going to be a big issue for the left. the right is increasingly dominated by a cabal of international childfuckers who all know each other - on the left, we're divided by language and distance. our strongest weapon has been the national state, but they've got that over a barrel these days with threats of relocation and what not. in retrospect, the post-war social democrats should've made the other call and just loving implemented socialism outright
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How funny is it that England can go from best country in the UK to worst in like 4 years haha
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Nonsense posted:Globalization is never going away, just stop STOP. I won't rest until my posting fellows have to suffer under the same regime the global proletariat does 
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in what *conceivable* world is boris johnson's economic policy "leftist" i mean i realise that the dude here is trying to push outright fascism as a thing again, but jesus christ
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I guess they learned from the surprise Labour charge that happened last time. No talk of policies allowed, just one big disaster of your own making to distract everyone forever. Brexit as unending 9/11. The media is totally complicit. Corbyn was the last hope of many and they are cheering him stepping down. Cue the galactic senate voting Palpatine emperor memes. Not surprised, but very upset.
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So as a Yank, let me pull myself out of a corn-syrup and chlorinated-chicken induced coma to ask this: Why such a steep drop in Labour? Did Lib Dems take all the votes away? Was it the 5th column constantly calling Jezza an anti-semite? We’re you all entranced by the mental image of Boris in a little sailor costume with a giant lollipop? Or just people mad about brown people getting service from the NHS? Regardless, last time I went to a doctor to get a puffy eye looked at, he just told me to put some over-the-counter cream on it, the same stuff I was going to buy anyways. The encounter cost me $600, enjoy!
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:Did Lib Dems take all the votes away? It was the Lib Dems pulling against Remain voters, and the Tories and the Brexit Party (yes those are two separate parties) pulling against Leave voters.
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Vox Nihili posted:-SNP whipped rear end, winning 48/59 districts in Scotland (and coming VERY close in most of those remaining 11) Does this mean another independence referendum? e: even more likely that is Terminally Bored has issued a correction as of 08:43 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Taintrunner posted:https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1205341670738464770 Aaaaaaaaaa those useless 'Tactical Vote' fucks.
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THS posted:i just dont see how a guy who wants to nationalize every public good and has consistently staked out incredibly brave positions on foreign policy can be considered 'boring' unless you literally view everything like you're a network executive judging a TV show pilot Corbyn is fine trying to split hairs over him while the British public has completely lost its mind seems moot now
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gradenko_2000 posted:It was the Lib Dems pulling against Remain voters, and the Tories and the Brexit Party (yes those are two separate parties) pulling against Leave voters. Was it though? The lib Dems made losses. It just seems like people made the switch direct from labour to Tory, which is baffling to me.
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:So as a Yank, let me pull myself out of a corn-syrup and chlorinated-chicken induced coma to ask this: several factors: 1) brexit became a huge deal ("OVEN READY!!!"), causing labour to bleed to three parties: the tories (to an extent, but not *that* much, there's still enough residual hate for them in the relevant areas to hope for the future), the brexit party (ersatz tories without the baggage) and the liberal democrats (remoaner central). because . johnson actually having a deal he could pass off as his own and meaningfully distinct from may's was a huge boon to him here, so thanks EU for that. you fuckers. 2) the character assassination of jeremy corbyn was much more advanced at this stage, with the antisemitism stuff being a part of this. continual, universal negative coverage for four years saw his popularity ratings steadily drop, and the constant internal struggles in the party re: brexit position was extremely costly for his image as a stalwart champion of righteous causes 3) corbyn speaks very well to a relatively small group of voters: people like us, who are politically aware and who have been homeless for decades. apart from that, he's not that effective as a personal campaigner, and once the press and the tories (but i repeat myself) figured out how to put him in positions where he couldn't deploy his strengths (e.g. he actually knows what he's saying and why), his weaknesses (he's not quick on his feet, and he's tied to positions in which he doesn't believe) became apparent. basically, brexit turned into a culture war thing and a centre/periphery conflict. those always benefit the class with more cohesion, which in britain (and the west in general) is the ruling class
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Terminally Bored posted:Does this mean another independence referendum? Probably. The UK just gave the party that wants brexit a majority, and the majority in Scotland wants to stay. Dravs posted:Was it though? The lib Dems made losses. It just seems like people made the switch direct from labour to Tory, which is baffling to me. Depends on how many votes they got. Under FPTP you can get a lot of votes nationwide, but no seats.
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it must be re-emphasised that a big part of this is that a good number of people rightly hate the EU as a liberal project. a good deal of people rightly love the EU as a liberal project. labour was critically dependent on both of these groups to get anywhere, but ended up siding with the latter. even that was not enough; there was significant bleed to the lib dems, including in critical seats like kensington. loving assholes.
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gradenko_2000 posted:It was the Lib Dems pulling against Remain voters, and the Tories and the Brexit Party (yes those are two separate parties) pulling against Leave voters. the lib dems will vote for brexit, given their track record, and then start an apology tour shortly after
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on the plus side, now that corbyn's stepping down at least they'll stop hounding the poor man. his reputation after the fact will likely be much improved as the liberal press, such as it is, conveniently forgets that it spent four years printing everything from tenuous criticism to outright lies
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THS posted:i can sort of kind of relate with the hillary die-hards in the sense of me not being able to see what was uncharismatic about Corbyn, they didn't get why everyone hated her either. I still hold that there's some objective reality to be found in the political dimension, that it is in fact true Corbyn is a smart, nice, empathetic person who does seeks virtue and the good and bojo is a product of the the uk's pseudo-ruffian upper class of devolved psychotics. I think there are people who are wrong about politics, and that it isn't me, which means I have to come up with this, a THEORY, about why me screaming "everyone is a self-gaslighting lunatic except me" is a statement of pure objective fact and reason. there was a study done on authoritarianism in the context of the cold war. the subjects of the study were placed in charge of the nato side in a simple wargame, where they had a choice to escalate tensions, or do nothing, and then the soviet "players" would make a choice, and it went forward in an i-go-you-go fashion until either a time limit passed or war broke out. Escalations increased the chance of conflict, but also increased the chance of winning said conflict, but peace stated as the desired outcome; a prisoner's dilemma mixed with chicken, essentially. In actuality, the soviet "team" was fictional and simply followed a script - for the first it would escalate, then repeat whatever the nato side did endlessly. the results were that the more authoritarian someone was, the more they felt the need to ramp things up but sometimes people managed to just chill out and not cause WW3. The interesting and relevant thing came in the follow up - the subjects were told that, if war broke out, the soviets would utterly crush them. The result was people escalated more; they readily chose an option that increased the chance of their own failure because they were afraid that if they didn't, they'd be showing the dreaded Weakness. The more powerless they felt, the more they felt the need to take insane risks to avoid losing the little power they had left, which meant the more they had to delude themselves in imaging that they held some innate quality that gave them special power; sure, their reaction to being presented with the reality of their own pathetic weakness was to ramp up the bravado, but the soviet team would surely be cowed if we just look stronger than them! the uk is an ex-empire, threatened by a loss of status even among the europeans, and the financial crisis and the other attributes of a decaying capitalist system result in malaise, distress and worst of all, shame, so they turn to articles of faith: its really just about those bad folk in brussels, who are opposed to good things. and also those dang immigrants leeches, and all the other saboteurs and mutineers on the good ship virtue. brexit will make the mighty british beast shake off the rust to reveal the glimmering attributes of Strength and Will which all true Britons posses and what justified all the times they looted other countries and if they all grit their teeth and shoulder on then they'll round the eightieth corner and all the infinite growth and promises of nationalism and capitalism will be theirs. corbyn, talking in tones about things like "decent standards of living" is really just the admission of a Weakness and they cannot, must not believe he is good because then all the things they really, really wish were real will vanish leaving them spiritually empty and lost in a confusing, upsetting world where bad things can happen to good people, and where theyre just the same as anyone else, and the corgis will howl into the night as the sun slinks away over the horizon for the first time in uk history. There's some kind of uncanny-valley like phenomenon with giving up a belief becomes suddenly harder due to the desire to avoid distress, like, the Bad-Feeling-Gap, that I will become world famous for documenting here on an internet comedy forum. Trump benefits from this to the point where an apolocyptic, millenarianist cult formed around a rando on a chan posting spy novel fiction bullshit, because confronting with even the most distorted facsimile of reality was creating too much cognitive dissonance to bear. My take on things is that one part of Corbyn's bane comes from the same trends; the more the situation in the UK declines, the more times you lot unload shot after shot into your feet in full display of the world, the more those types will hate Corbyn, for increasingly spurious, conspiratorial reasons. Its also the reason people are attracted to those empty suits (like Obama was); completely nonthreatening messages that reaffirm the faith in the ruling ideology that keeps the candle alive in people's stupid little hearts. couse im a yank so maybe im missing out on the subtle qualities of the uk public like "the albions are in fact a perfidious lot" so bear with me
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That map is nuts. It looks like for England if you live within 50 feet of someone else you voted Labor and if you don't you voted Conservative.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:I still hold that there's some objective reality to be found in the political dimension, that it is in fact true Corbyn is a smart, nice, empathetic person who does seeks virtue and the good and bojo is a product of the the uk's pseudo-ruffian upper class of devolved psychotics. I think there are people who are wrong about politics, and that it isn't me, which means I have to come up with this, a THEORY, about why me screaming "everyone is a self-gaslighting lunatic except me" is a statement of pure objective fact and reason. i enjoyed reading this post a lot, and i have a related THEORY that i think can contribute to this, which is, and i was just looking this up today - and i already knew leaded gasoline in the US was common until the late 80s - but did you know it was the same thing for the UK? everyone was huffing atmospheric lead for decades there too. anyway, all the older people have literal metal poisoning in their brains
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even outside the UK press for corbyn was ridiculous slander nonsense wall to wall. i remember yesterday in an article seeing a paragraph that began [loosely paraphrasing here as pre-election poo poo is probably gone into the 24 hour news cycle memory hole now] something like "this has been a particularly shady and deceptive election campaign, wherein boris johnson [told a bunch of easily disproven lies], while on the other hand, jeremy corbyn wants to help workers and the poor. like what the actual gently caress? you went to journalism school for this? btw, was this particularly infernal slice of hellworld posted yet 
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Jesus gently caress we're all gonna die. If Corbyn can't win, how the gently caress are we canadians gonna win with the empty suits we have?
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Jose posted:All the centrists who spent 4 years bashing Corbyn should do some soul searching but of course they won't the first op ed which will bleat that labour could've won this if only they went more whole-heartedly in for remain is probably already printed somewhere
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Ah we did it time time to enact socialist policies! *Office door opens* Ah my nationalist comrades come in out of the cold. What brings you to the door at this late hour and what's with all these very big knives?
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MonsieurChoc posted:Jesus gently caress we're all gonna die. I thought Trudeau already lost and resigned in disgrace? Also who the gently caress is preventing Ford's very much living brother from being Prime Minister?
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Nonsense posted:I thought Trudeau already lost and resigned in disgrace? Nope, that liberal poo poo is still there, only because the conservatives are so much loving worse.
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