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Beefeater1980 posted:I think you need 2 parties: one is silent on racism, xenophobia, trans rights, anything identity focused but makes a ton of noise about making the poor better off, is publicly nationalist and peddles constant conspiracies about the rich.
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I've had a thumping headache ever since I woke up and I'm just angry as all hell.
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EdBlackadder posted:This is probably the message we should take. It's loving devastating to see this poo poo. The next fight must be to keep Labour to the left and stop the centrists pushing us back to their neoliberal consensus politics. What? Consensus politics is the very core of the Left almost by design, it's why JC always went back to saying he would do what the conference agreed. It's just that the consensus reached was loving stupid.
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Really wondering how big the brain drain caused by Brexit will be. I'm leaving, I know other young people who've left, and this result is only going to boost those numbers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYJ_fVBRcrI We are lost, we are lost, we are lost And still nothing, will stop, nothing pauses We have ambitions and friendships and courtships to think of Divorces to drink off the thought of The money, the money, the oil The planet is shaking and spoiled And life is a plaything A garment to soil The toil, the toil I can't see an ending at all Only the end How is this something to cherish? When the tribesmen are dead in their deserts To make room for alien structures Develop, develop And kill what you find if it threatens you No trace of love in the hunt for the bigger buck Here in the land where nobody gives a gently caress
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Aramoro posted:What? Consensus politics is the very core of the Left almost by design, it's why JC always went back to saying he would do what the conference agreed. It's just that the consensus reached was loving stupid. He means "neoliberal consensus" politics, not neoliberal "consensus politics".
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The problem with the 'people will find out Brexit won't help them' argument is that was and is also true for Trumpism...
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I am just so loving devestated. How could anyone vote for 5 more years of THIS? THE MAN HID IN A loving FRIDGE, AND THEY STILL VOTED FOR HIM.
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bitterandtwisted posted:gently caress you england. loving gently caress you. Hi can we move over to your place? Can provide tea and good company.
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FiftySeven posted:I am just so loving devestated. How could anyone vote for 5 more years of THIS? They voted for a man who hosed a pig's head, don't act so surprised
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Welp guess im gonna need a new gang tag
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Surprisingly Walsall South stayed Labour, I'd expected this hellzone to flip like a pancake, looks like Boris assing around here didn't have an effect after all.
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Samael posted:Hi can we move over to your place? Can provide tea and good company. Refugees will always be welcome in my wee flat
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‘I felt like I had to travel less distance to the right on the political spectrum to meet Boris Johnson than I had to travel left to meet Jeremy Corbyn’ by a former Labour voter. This is why we’re not going to win on policies at the ballot box.
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England! England! Patriotism! And you wonder why kids want to die for religion? It goes, work all your life for a pittance Maybe you’ll make it to manager, pray for a raise Cross the beige days off on your beach babe calendar The anarchists are desperate for something to smash Scandalous pictures of fashionable rappers In glamorous magazines, who’s dating who? Politico cash in an envelope Caught sniffing lines off a prostitutes prosthetic tits Now it's back to the house of lords with slapped wrists They abduct kids and gently caress the heads of dead pigs But him in a hoodie with a couple of spliffs Jail him, he’s the criminal Jail him, he’s the criminal
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Dec 13, 2019 11:18
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Hey, at least Chuka and the other splitters all lost their seats. Small mercies eh.
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Judge Tesla posted:Surprisingly Walsall South stayed Labour, I'd expected this hellzone to flip like a pancake, looks like Boris assing around here didn't have an effect after all.
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communism bitch posted:Hey, at least Chuka and the other splitters all lost their seats. Small mercies eh. Small, but important
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I’m absolutely devastated by this result. We’re going to lose a lot of things over the next five years. But what this result, and the next five years, can’t take away from me is the warm fuzzy feelings I gained from canvassing, knocking on doors, talking to people. It was a small thing but it was precious nonetheless. This thread has also been a real ride to experience. I'm glad I came out of lurker-dom for this, regardless of the result. Also can we change the thread title it's far too excited and optimistic for what we're in for. Or maybe if we want an optimistic thread title so we don't fall into the depths of despair, something about continuing the fight.
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Purple Prince posted:England! England! Patriotism! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4qGLDkK9TA Indigenous apocalypse, decimated forest, the Winter of our discontent's upon us Desolate apostles, left with Strongbow at the crossroads We are nothing but an eating mouth, oesophagus, colossal We won't stop until we've beaten down the planet into pellets Before the interstellar mission to inflict more terror It's killing me, it's killing me, it's filling me, I'm vomiting, it's still in me Everything is fine really, silly me Poor kids shot dead, poor kids locked up Poor kids saying, "This is the future that you left us?" Stopped up lunch meat, processed, punch from an unclean fatcat Tasty, tasty poison Carcinogenic, diabetic, asthmatic, epileptic, post-traumatic, bipolar and disaffected Atomised, thinking we're engaged when we're pacified Staring at the screen so we don't have to see the planet die What we gonna do to wake up? We sleep so deep, it don't matter how they shake us If we can't face it, we can't escape it But tonight the storm's come She's screaming, she's screaming The drones turned her beautiful boy into a pile of bones No body to bury, nobody is home Running from war, the boat's full, the boat's sinking a mile off shore No beds in the hospitals, our minds are against us Imagine your daughter was gunned down defenceless on her way to school There'd be uproar But she's collateral damage, it doesn't matter Now if our kids are fine, that's enough for us You can't love into a vacuum, there's got to be a limit Welcome to the biggest crime that's ever been committed You think you and I are different kinds, you're caught up in specifics You and I apart are easier to limit The illusion's so complete it's impossible to bring it into focus Cinematic stock footage, you think people are locusts Uniform men keep unleashing explosives What we gonna do to wake up? We sleep so deep, it don't matter how they shake us If we can't face it, we can't escape it But tonight the storm's come Tunnel vision, tunnel vision Work, drinks, heartbreak You can't face the past, the past's a dark place Can't sleep, can't wake, sitting in our boxes Notching up our victories as other people's losses Another day, another chance to turn your face away from pain Let's get a takeaway And meet me in the pub a little later, we'll say the same things as ever Life's a waiting game When we gonna see that life is happening? And that every single body bleeding on its knees is an abomination And every natural being is making communication And we're just sparks, tiny parts of a bigger constellation We're miniscule molecules that make up one body You see the tragedy and pain of a person that you've never met Is present in your nightmares, in your pull towards despair And the sickness of the culture, and the sickness in our hearts Is a sickness that's inflicted by this distance that we share Now, it was our bombs that started this war And now it rages far away So we dismiss all its victims as strangers But they're parents and children made dogs by the danger Existence is futile, so we don't engage But it was our boats that sailed, killed, stole, and made frail It was our boots that stamped It was our courts that jailed And it was our fuckin' banks that got bailed It was us who turned bleakly away Looked back down at our nails and our wedding plans In the face of a full-force gale, we said "Well, it's not up to us to make this place a better land It's not up to us to make this place a better land" Justice, justice, recompense, humility Trust is, trust is something we will never see Till love is unconditional The myth of the individual has left us disconnected, lost, and pitiful I'm out in the rain It's a cold night in London And I'm screaming at my loved ones to wake up and love more I'm pleading with my loved ones to wake up and love more
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I have 2 takeaways that I can't get away from: 1. "They go low, we go high" was bullshit when Michelle Obama was going on about it and it's bullshit now. Our political enemies are murdering people by the thousands. Treat them like that to their face and gently caress all decorum. Trump's "lock her up" and "you'd be in jail" helped him win and still helps him remain popular, even though it's obvious bullshit. 2. If we're going to want the working class onside, how many more elections will we lose before we admit that the working class loving hates labour-migration? They hate free movement and outsourcing. What they see is either their jobs going out to some other country or someone from another country coming in and either taking their job or depressing their wages. And they're not wrong about that. This is a clear and predictable economic effect and it objectively fucks the working class. It helped gently caress the US election, it drove Brexit, it just hosed this election, and we see the alternative in New Zealand where Labour did win. We either come up with policies to address this head on (which I can't see any way other than directly tackling labour-migration as a bad thing) or we will see this sentiment get coopted and turned into a racist frenzy as our enemies focus it fully onto the labour-migrants and away from the neoliberal politicians and business owners who created it and benefit from it. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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Gwaint posted:Also can we change the thread title it's far too excited and optimistic for what we're in for. Or maybe if we want an optimistic thread title so we don't fall into the depths of despair, something about continuing the fight. Okay that's better.
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I've lurked this thread for a long time and I'm torn between joining in more or just shutting politics out for a while
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Pablo Bluth posted:The problem with the 'people will find out Brexit won't help them' argument is that was and is also true for Trumpism... Waiting for people to 'find out the truth' is a false hope. In a country with a properly functioning media then yes, the flaws with Brexit would have been clearly communicated to the population before it ever happened. But we don't have a media that acts in the public interest and after last night I don't see anything like that happening in our lifetimes. The next few years will still consist of shifting the blame onto every Other they can. The trade deal (or more likely lack of one) will be the evil EU's fault. The lack of jobs & crumbling public services will be due to the foreigns that still haven't left yet. Crime will still be done by scroungers who don't want to work. The bulk of our media will continue to package and sell these lies while demonising anyone who says differently. The racism dial doesn't just go up to eleven then stop. There is always room for more racism.
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I was just thinking 'well at least Christmas is coming'. But Christmas is three days of visiting and spending time with people who voted for this. I love the poo poo out of them but it's going to be tough.
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here's a positive slant the best case scenario for labour was a minority government with lib dem, SNP, plaid and green support the SNP condition for support would be a second scottish referendum and the lib dems (along with the labour manifesto) would have required a second brexit ref a corbyn government would then have spent the vast majority of its time and energy organising and fighting those two referendums, with little if any time or political support to enact significant social and economic change the outcome would then be 'corbynism has failed' at a subsequent GE.
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Beefeater1980 posted:I don’t think anyone has said that yet tho? And so far I don’t think anyone has an answer that isn’t either “be more racist” or “pretend to be more racist”, and it shames me to say the second one of those is p much where I come down. I’m talking about newspaper columnists on Twitter and yes they are. Lots and lots of “we warned you about Corbyn” with zero acknowledgment the results indicate the only alternative that might have been successful is Kate loving Hoey.
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migration is passé, look at the voter priority polling - brexit is no longer comoving reliably with migration. Crime and economy concerns have pushed migration down in any case, embrace blue labourism and losing the cities is a guarantee
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A friend's brother-in-law claimed they voted for the UKIP candidate, in a constituency with no UKIP candidate on their ballot. Why the gently caress would you tell a lie to look more like a racist piece of poo poo?
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oxford_town posted:here's a positive slant That still would have been preferential to mass genocide of poor people via Austerity and selling the NHS
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Gove tweaking a dial labelled ‘level of immigrant persecution’ while looking at the emaciated audience for approval.
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CyberPingu posted:That still would have been preferential to mass genocide of poor people via Austerity and selling the NHS
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CGI Stardust posted:when was "working class" ever really a useful political concept, though? 1970s? there's a distinct difference of interests between the working-class self-employed builder, working-class contract cleaner, working-class admin functionary Well there your problem is that neoliberalism mass-enriched the global proletariat at the expense of the privileged western labour aristocracy. It’s funny, I lived in Asia the last 15 years, and people in the countries I lived in don’t differentiate between Bill Gates and some dude in Cornwall who guts fish for £8 an hour. Because they get so much less than that. Liberalism, free trade, all that poo poo? It transfers wealth from us to them. Socialism, when we talk about it, means closing the door on them. I don’t have any answers. Just immensely depressed that this is the case and how much it sucks.
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Evrim posted:I've lurked this thread for a long time and I'm torn between joining in more or just shutting politics out for a while
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ted hitler posted:Great idea. What if you combined socialism with nationalism to form a new kind of party. A party that could return the country to it's former glory after being forced to pay Europe too much money. Strong post/username combination there
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