- Anidav
- Feb 25, 2010
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ahhh fuck its the rats again
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Climate change deniers, 10 years on.
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Mark - builder
2010: “Well, I believe nature has its ways of balancing itself and if we went into an extreme global warming I'm sure it's got its own methods of cooling itself.”
2019: “I’m still 100 per cent certain of this and the difference between the environmental scientists and real scientists is very wide. Because environmental scientists look for the funding from the government and the real scientists work for CSIRO and other organisations for $60,000 a year – that’s the difference. I’m still not convinced any data exists that there is global warming and we have a couple of fires - which is also part of nature cleaning itself and balancing itself, the ecosystem does that - and everyone starts screaming it’s the global warming. It takes a lot more than that to change my mind.”
Dr Ian – general practitioner
2010: “I understand that carbon dioxide that man produces is 3% of what nature produces. How can small changes to our production of CO2 impact upon something as large as the Earth? It seems absurd. I'm saying there's homeostasis in the Earth that small extra production of carbon dioxide would easily be absorbed into.”
2019: “Subsequent to nine more years research I have seen nothing, any peer reviewed literature, using repeatable scientific experiments that have disavowed me of my previous opinion.
I don’t want people to think that I don’t care about the environment, I care passionately and deeply about the environment, I have no agenda, I’m a doctor, I used to be an engineer, I have a scientific background, I’m not a fool and a lot of people are in my situation - decent caring citizens of the world. We don’t hold the view we do because we are pig headed we do it because we need scientific proof.
Since carbon dioxide has risen from nought point nought three per cent to nought point nought four in the past 200 years, which people claim is a catastrophe, it’s actually been associated with greening, more plant growth, and lots of farmers pump carbon dioxide into greenhouses to grow the produce. The more carbon dioxide there is the easier it is to grow crops to feed the people of the world. Unless carbon dioxide levels are more there are going to be a lot more starving people.”
Tania – Stay at home mum
2010: “I think CO2 is actually beneficial for us. It's heating up the Earth, it's producing vegetation, it's producing food, I don't see what all the drama is. It's only going up a slight amount and yet we're going to change our whole economy over this slight amount that's actually helping us. It's beneficial.”
2019: “My views are sort of the same, I don’t think we should change our whole economy over climate change. We shouldn’t destroy our economy over a slight amount of C02.”
Peter - train driver
2010: “No I don't believe in it [man made climate change] at all. I believe in climate change, the climate always changes but I haven't seen any evidence to date that discounts natural climate change and I've seen nothing in any of the literature that I've read that indicates that anything is abnormal with the warning or the rate of warming.”
2019: “Climate change is a 4.6 billion year concept, it’s still a hypothesis that C02 that mankinds level of .001026 can possibly heat the rest of the planet, it’s just a natural warming trend that seems to have flattened out. We’ve produced over a quarter of all C02 that mankind ever produced since the late 90s, people might say it’s the highest year ever, but it’s pretty sparse really it’s only the western world that has had 160 years of any thermometer readings. I agree that it is a warming trend but it’s nothing out of the ordinary, not superstitious enough or guilt ridden enough to say its mankind. Mankind does a lot of damage in a lot of ways but not this way.”
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- LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
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They're trying so hard not to sound like morons.
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Dec 13, 2019 22:22
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- hambeet
- Sep 13, 2002
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furthermore...
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Dec 13, 2019 22:25
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- JBP
- Feb 16, 2017
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You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
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‘I’m a doctor and an engineer, I have a scientific background’
Sure if you say so buddy
It says he's a GP.
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Dec 13, 2019 22:30
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- hambeet
- Sep 13, 2002
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doctor ian said thr level of lead in my blood has risen from nought point nought three per cent to nought point nought four percent and that'd perfedtly okay anf I wabt to thavj hdn sjs bejing sjkaaj anajak ah ajsj wjajwjajn dbdm.
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Dec 13, 2019 22:33
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- hambeet
- Sep 13, 2002
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bell jars gonna wake up like it's Christmas morning.
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Dec 13, 2019 22:33
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- JBP
- Feb 16, 2017
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You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
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Today I feel closer to my hero, Nelson Mandela, than ever before. We did it buddy.
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Dec 13, 2019 22:35
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- NoNotTheMindProbe
- Aug 9, 2010
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pony porn was here
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Socialism was at its strongest when it was shooting Nazis with tanks.
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Dec 13, 2019 23:15
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- Solemn Sloth
- Jul 11, 2015
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Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
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Ok cool but literally no party in any country in the world that matters that had a chance of winning is advocating that.
I’m sick of these defeatist bullshit hot takes. It just excuses people to be able to do nothing.
No it doesn’t, it requires that you not accept the bullshit centrist suicide doctrine that the ALP are putting up as a viable alternative to the right. I don’t care if you do it by trying to get greens elected, or throwing people like Joel Fitzgibbon of a cliff, but that needs to be the goal. You can’t just go “welp, we elected someone slightly less bad, my conscience is clear” and think that’s going to have any meaningful consequence.
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Dec 14, 2019 00:10
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- fauna
- Dec 6, 2018
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Caught between two worlds...
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Today I feel closer to my hero, Nelson Mandela, than ever before. We did it buddy.
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Dec 14, 2019 00:15
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- JBP
- Feb 16, 2017
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You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
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This country is full of wealthy people that have benefitted from liberalism why the gently caress are they going to vote for socialist policy? Because it will help the bottom 10-20% lol?
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Dec 14, 2019 00:15
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- Amoeba102
- Jan 22, 2010
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Because environmental scientists look for the funding from the government and the real scientists work for CSIRO and other organisations for $60,000 a year
Just L O L at this. No loving clue about scientists at all. Everyone looks for funding from the government for one. And secondly, CSIRO does heaps of environmental science - far more than in academia or industry as a percentage. And people with PhDs aren't working for 60K unless they are working in a position far below their training.
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Dec 14, 2019 00:21
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- hambeet
- Sep 13, 2002
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This country is full of wealthy people that have benefitted from liberalism why the gently caress are they going to vote for socialist policy? Because it will help the bottom 10-20% lol?
the problem is actually those bottom 10-20% voting for liberalism too
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Dec 14, 2019 00:25
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- hambeet
- Sep 13, 2002
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and as a progressive i know better than them too, and will tell them so in a condescending manner
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Dec 14, 2019 00:33
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- JBP
- Feb 16, 2017
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You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
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The best/saddest part of the UKMT reaction was someone posting "are... are we in an echo chamber!?" after two full days of jammy boy and etc.
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Dec 14, 2019 00:47
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- cohsae
- Jun 19, 2015
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Just L O L at this. No loving clue about scientists at all. Everyone looks for funding from the government for one. And secondly, CSIRO does heaps of environmental science - far more than in academia or industry as a percentage. And people with PhDs aren't working for 60K unless they are working in a position far below their training.
Their comments haven't come out of nowhere. Every single one of their remarks is a right wing talking point that's repeated ad nauseum. These are the people reading the daily tele and listening to Ray Hadley every day. You can't change their minds because they're being told this every day and it's telling them what they want to hear.
Just hope they die off soon because their brains are basically cement at this point.
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Dec 14, 2019 00:48
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- JBP
- Feb 16, 2017
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You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
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Corbyn is going to lose terribly to Boris Johnson I don't want a Corbyn
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Dec 14, 2019 00:48
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- Doctor Spaceman
- Jul 6, 2010
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"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
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The best thing about this UK election is that, once again, Auspol Goons have been caught in an echo chamber shocker. It never gets old and it never changes.
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Dec 14, 2019 00:57
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- Tgent
- Sep 6, 2011
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The best thing about this UK election is that, once again, Auspol Goons have been caught in an echo chamber shocker. It never gets old and it never changes.
Going to assume you meant to write uk goons as this post doesn't make sense otherwise
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Dec 14, 2019 01:02
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- TheLastRoboKy
- May 2, 2009
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Finishing the game with everyone else's continues
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Yeah I feel like anyone expecting anything but more Boris Johnson was trying to change reality through excessive amounts of hope and optimism. Sadly the Coal Wizard will not be denied.
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Dec 14, 2019 01:12
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- bell jar
- Feb 25, 2009
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joris bohnson
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Dec 14, 2019 01:39
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- Cartoon
- Jun 20, 2008
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poop
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Just L O L at this. No loving clue about scientists at all. Everyone looks for funding from the government for one. And secondly, CSIRO does heaps of environmental science - far more than in academia or industry as a percentage. And people with PhDs aren't working for 60K unless they are working in a position far below their training.
Cartoon fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Dec 14, 2019
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Dec 14, 2019 01:48
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- hooman
- Oct 11, 2007
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This guy seems legit.
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Fun Shoe
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Guardian AU posted:
Religious discrimination bill: what will Australians be allowed to say and do if it passes?
The government’s explanatory memo outlines how the bill’s far-reaching effects will change public life dramatically – in medical services, schools, offices and hospitals
The second draft religious discrimination bill will have wide-ranging effects on many areas of public life including access to medical services, schooling, employment, social media, aged care, hospitals and even some commercial services.
As well as an explainer about the bill’s provisions, we have collected examples from the government’s explanatory memorandum (EM) and stakeholders about what people would be allowed to say or do if the bill passes.
Statements of religious belief
Protection received: statements of religious belief will not be found to breach other federal, state and territory discrimination laws.
Examples:
A Christian may say that unrepentant sinners will go to hell, an example cited in the EM which mirrors the facts of Israel Folau’s case
A doctor may tell a transgender patient of their religious belief that God made men and women in his image and that gender is therefore binary (EM)
A single mother who, when dropping her child off at daycare, may be told by a worker that she is sinful for denying her child a father (Public Interest Advocacy Centre)
A woman may be told by a manager that women should submit to their husbands or that women should not be employed outside the home (PIAC)
A student with disability may be told by a teacher their disability is a trial imposed by God (PIAC)
A person of a minority faith may be told by a retail assistant from another religion that they are a “heathen destined for eternal damnation” (PIAC).
Caveats – statements must be made in good faith; not be malicious or harass, vilify or incite hatred against a person or group; not advocate for the commission of a serious criminal offence.
Religious activity
Protection received: discrimination against a person on the basis of religious activity is unlawful.
Example: public evangelising/street-preaching – even where this is in contravention of council bylaws (EM, Just Equal).
Medical services
Protection received: unless it is against the law to refuse treatment, health practitioners are allowed to conscientiously object to providing a health service and no professional rules can override that right.
Examples:
A Catholic doctor refusing to provide contraception to all patients (EM) or to prescribe hormone treatment for gender transition (Equality Australia, Just Equal, LGBTI Health Alliance)
A Catholic nurse who refused to participate in abortion procedures (EM) or to provide the morning-after pill to a woman admitted to hospital after a sexual assault (Equality Australia)
A pharmacist refusing to provide the pill to women for contraceptive use (EM), or hormone treatment (Public Interest Advocacy Centre, LGBTI Health Alliance)
A doctor could refuse to prescribe post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) within the required 72-hour window to a patient whose condom broke during a sexual encounter on the basis of religious beliefs that forbid sexual activity outside of marriage (Equality Australia)
A psychiatrist could say to a woman with depression that “she should be looking forward to the kingdom of heaven”. Under the proposed laws, the psychiatrist could challenge their deregistration as religious discrimination, while the patient could have her disability discrimination complaint refused (Equality Australia)
A law passed by a state parliament that banned the promotion of programs that seek to “convert” LGBTIQ people could be overridden by the federal attorney general as an infringement on “statements of belief” (Just Equal).
Employment
Although the primary aim of the bill is to prohibit religious discrimination there are a range of exemptions that will allow religious discrimination to continue:
Religious hospitals, aged care providers or accommodation providers such as retirement villages may discriminate against their staff on the basis of religion both in terms of hiring and to set codes of conduct requiring them to act in accordance with that faith
A religiously affiliated business may require senior leaders to hold or engage in a particular religious belief or activity where that is an inherent requirement of those positions (EM)
An Anglican public benevolent institution could require its employees, including volunteer workers, to uphold and act consistently with Anglican doctrines and teachings at work (EM)
Domestic duties – a person hiring a live-in nanny or in-home carer services may require that they be of the same religious belief or activity as that person (EM)
An employer can ask a prospective employee whether they observe any holy days during which they can’t work to determine if they can fulfil the inherent requirements of the work (EM).
Social media
An office worker could declare on social media that a fellow employee is in a wheelchair because they are sinful and urge them to attend a faith healer. The workplace inclusion policy would be overridden by such a “statement of belief” and any action taken against the offender could be appealed to the Human Rights Commission as “religious discrimination” (Just Equal).
Schooling
A Jewish school may require that its staff and students be Jewish and accordingly refuse to hire or admit someone because they were not Jewish (EM)
A student attends the same religious school through their primary and secondary education. At 16 they lose faith in the religion of the school and tell a teacher that they are now agnostic. The school would be able to expel, suspend or otherwise punish, for example, give detention to the student (PIAC).
Accommodation, camps and conference sites
Rule: religious camps and conference sites may discriminate against another person on the ground of religious belief or activity in the provision of accommodation.
This is an exemption lobbied for by the Sydney Anglican church with reference to this example: Anglican Youthworks should be able to reject an application for the First Church of Satan to hold a black mass at one of its campsites.
There is also an exception for the provision of accommodation so that a homeowner seeking a tenant for their spare room may require that the tenant be of the same religious belief or activity as the homeowner (EM).
*screaming*
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- Amoeba102
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Assuming this will be a one way street, and any any allowance for discrimination by christians will not be protected if used by other religions or lack there of to discriminate against christians.
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Dec 14, 2019 02:08
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- Zenithe
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Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
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Hail Satan?
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Dec 14, 2019 02:20
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- Box of Bunnies
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by Pragmatica
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telling people they're heathens destined for eternal damnation but, y'know, in an unmalicious, non-vilifying way
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Dec 14, 2019 02:23
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- thatbastardken
- Apr 23, 2010
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A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
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it sucks poo poo that less than a quarter of a country can vote for a party and they get government, at least when australia gets a bunch of fundamentalist loons a plurality of dickheads elected them.
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Dec 14, 2019 02:35
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- Gridlocked
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MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
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The best/saddest part of the UKMT reaction was someone posting "are... are we in an echo chamber!?" after two full days of jammy boy and etc.
poo poo they became self aware pretty quick.
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- thatbastardken
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A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
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Can you imagine a diverse media environment?
I mean even the Brits have some red newspapers like the Mirror
just got to get the murdoch papers to insult a group of football fans in the aftermath of a stadium disaster to get a successful boycott going. see liverpool.
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