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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chri...4b0d50f32b29278 murphy thinks there might be five or 6 senators in favor of impeachment. https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...onvicting-trump weld agrees. i doubt it means poo poo but gently caress if i know.
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Djarum posted:Thing is he was a Democrat until he decided to run for office. He has always been racist though. To the latter problem, probably, but I imagine it's substantially cheaper and easier  Gotta be a poo poo tier assignment though
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chri...4b0d50f32b29278 Great only 14 more to go.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Great only 14 more to go. its at least enough to keep them from killing the trial outright and possibly the witness less one.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chri...4b0d50f32b29278 Both of these 404 for me 
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Dec 14, 2019 18:57
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hanales posted:Both of these 404 for me Yeah same here.
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Djarum posted:Thing is he was a Democrat until he decided to run for office. He has always been racist though. Former President SS coverage is for national security purposes. Don't want the guy who used to know all that stuff getting kidnapped or something. So assuming the universe is not a kind place and the fat mother fucker doesn't stroke out and die before he's a former president, yes he'd get the protection. He would not be the president though, so any other president could tell him to pound sand up his rear end instead of getting multimillion dollar contracts to his own hotels.
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Dec 14, 2019 19:07
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bird food bathtub posted:Former President SS coverage is for national security purposes. Don't want the guy who used to know all that stuff getting kidnapped or something. Nothing like opening the news and reading about how Trump blew an intelligence op because he wanted to dunk on whomever is in the office.
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hanales posted:Both of these 404 for me https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5df34c1ce4b0ca713e5d0fb5 Not enough for removal, but I think it's better if it's not a party-line vote. Acute Grill fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Dec 14, 2019 |
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there's an interesting piece in WaPo basically saying that McConnell's vow to acquit trump and make it as easy as possible is actively hurting his purple state senators and opening up lanes for democrats to make sure they DO get witnesses and such. too soon to completely see how the dems handle those takes, but responses so far have been good, and it really does seem like an own-goal for McConnell. like yes obviously that's what he wants to do, but there's 4-5 people who probably can't sign their name onto a sham process where every republican is saying WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THIS PROCESS IS A SHAM out loud constantly and before anyone says anything: yes I know they're obviously going to acquit, the actually-interesting question is what rules will be in place and how much political toll this takes on the party, and things are kinda looking up for us on that last part
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bird food bathtub posted:Former President SS coverage is for national security purposes. Don't want the guy who used to know all that stuff getting kidnapped or something. So assuming the universe is not a kind place and the fat mother fucker doesn't stroke out and die before he's a former president, yes he'd get the protection. He would not be the president though, so any other president could tell him to pound sand up his rear end instead of getting multimillion dollar contracts to his own hotels. "and the good news?" "it took two and a half minutes." 
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FilthyImp posted:Yeah it's legit horrifying that this numpty is going to go around with unrestrained Twitter access after he's done. There is a 100% certainty that he will leak state secrets on twitter after he's left office to sabotage the next president. "I would NEVER send troops into Syria next Monday. Bad move!"
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bird food bathtub posted:Former President SS coverage is for national security purposes. Don't want the guy who used to know all that stuff getting kidnapped or something. So assuming the universe is not a kind place and the fat mother fucker doesn't stroke out and die before he's a former president, yes he'd get the protection. He would not be the president though, so any other president could tell him to pound sand up his rear end instead of getting multimillion dollar contracts to his own hotels. Whenever Trump stays at his own properties, have the SS stay at someone else's nearby. Every morning they come over and take up all the parking spaces, clog the hallways, etc without spending any money.
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hanales posted:Both of these 404 for me BigBallChunkyTime posted:Yeah same here. poo poo, same. sorry about that.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its at least enough to keep them from killing the trial outright and possibly the witness less one. Yup, and it fucks the narrative it was a solely partisan process. Short of a vote for removal it's the best outcome, and if they capitulate to Trump's desire to have a circus and call new witnesses it opens up new testimony.
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hanales posted:Both of these 404 for me 404 senators for impeachment? That's probably wishful thinking, buddy!
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InsertPotPun posted:"sir ex-president trump was kidnapped and he talked immediately. the bad news is he told them everything he knows." Admittedly, yes. Good luck getting national secrets out of the decaying pudding brains he's got left and having them not be based on right wing fever swamps bullshit like "crowd strike Ukraine DNC server"
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Gatts posted:What circumstances can there be to have GOP turn on Mitch? Needs more risk of Senators losing their seats but they seem to want to go down with ship Full on apocalypse. You'd need several of the major players in the GOP Senate looking at being hard primaried or facing an overwhelmingly popular challenger at home before they even consider it. The Republican party had become an arm of the Trump Campaign due to how all in they are, so opposing his man in the Senate without a clear existential threat at home kills their chance of reelection.
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SubG posted:If I had to lay money, I'd bet that there are a couple that are squeaky clean because they're actually Boy Scouts or whatever, but that a huge swath of them are compromised in some way. Not that they're Russian moles, or they've been receiving briefcases of rubles or anything, but just that there's something that they really don't want getting out that they were enticed into one way or another as part of Russian intelligence operations. Wow I think this is probably the most depressing thing I've read in a while. It makes perfect sense too, as we've done it to other countries via the CIA since WW2 ended, maybe our uppance has come. Targeting MOC's who are as stupid as Duncan Hunter and Matt Gaetz can't be all that difficult.
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nice title https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1205925988653260805
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Love how they caveat that it's not from the news department, as if that will stop bad faith arguments conflating the two
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ewiley posted:Wow I think this is probably the most depressing thing I've read in a while. It makes perfect sense too, as we've done it to other countries via the CIA since WW2 ended, maybe our uppance has come. Targeting MOC's who are as stupid as Duncan Hunter and Matt Gaetz can't be all that difficult. More or less the same reason Fox was peddling the Seth Rich conspiracy, which we know was a Russian disinformation effort and we can track it's release and spread. It isn't that anyone at Fox went to the Russians and asked for something, and it wasn't that the Russians directly contacted Fox and offered something. Russia had a goal: undermine the Clinton campaign to assist Trump. It turns out that that goal was shared by Fox. So all Russia had to do was to craft a tool, drop the tool in a public place, and then wait for Fox (or someone like them) to come along and pick it up. And that's all 100% hands-off poo poo. It's a self-working magic trick. When you have people who are constantly pushing the ethical boundaries in everything (e.g. accepting funds for political campaigns, obtaining information on political opponents or whatever) then that opens up additional avenues of approach which are potentially huge loving opportunities for anyone willing to take advantage of them, specifically with an eye to get you to do something that looks like it's bending the rules a little but turns out to have greater consequences.
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Shamelessly stealing this link. https://twitter.com/RawStory/status...pagenumber%3D80 The mask is really, really off with this impeachment.
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ewiley posted:Wow I think this is probably the most depressing thing I've read in a while. It makes perfect sense too, as we've done it to other countries via the CIA since WW2 ended, maybe our uppance has come. Targeting MOC's who are as stupid as Duncan Hunter and Matt Gaetz can't be all that difficult. I'm sorry your monocle popped off for finally realizing something that has been happening for decades. You cracked the case, bud!
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1glitch0 posted:I'm sorry your monocle popped off for finally realizing something that has been happening for decades. You cracked the case, bud! please refrain from being a dick, thank you
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Djarum posted:But that's the thing, it isn't Trump's base. It is the Republican base. People love to harp on how Trump's Republican approval ratings are so high but George W Bush had actually the same or higher during his presidency. Only in his last year of office did it start to slip at all. So it seems like that narrative has been played on the entire country that it is somehow all Trump loyalists isn't really true nor is he really as popular in the party as he appears. I don't know if I believe this but I don't think I don't not believe it (?). Do you have anything to back this up other than Bush had similar numbers?
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bird food bathtub posted:Shamelessly stealing this link. The mask came off when the Senate Republicans went against the Constitution and refused to allow Obama to name a Supreme Court Justice when Scalia died. I mean, how could anyone believe they had any respect for the Constitution after that? It's just a means to an end for these fucks. Mask's been gone for a while, my friend. We're past the mask and just about to the point where the Republicans start swaffling us.
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Lol that the megabrain founders included no mechanisms for "well what if they decide to just not do their jobs?"
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FilthyImp posted:Lol that the megabrain founders included no mechanisms for "well what if they decide to just not do their jobs?" Well then you just get them to impeach each other.
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y'all do realize that the senate is going to acquit, the SC is going to force Trump to release financial records and then those records are still not going to get released? It's because there is no repercussion for it as the Senate and DOJ are fully under trump's control
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Strange Poon posted:I don't know if I believe this but I don't think I don't not believe it (?). Do you have anything to back this up other than Bush had similar numbers? I dunno what else to back it up other than looking at the approval numbers. Objectively you could make the argument that Trump maybe less popular due to so many Republicans fleeing the party since he became president. W was wildly unpopular but kept nearly the same numbers. That shows several things. They are at the rock bottom. Who is left are the true believers and there is no way to lose them at this point. Trump and his base is just another con. It is just a bunch of con men and grifters taking advantage of the Republican base.
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Djarum posted:I dunno what else to back it up other than looking at the approval numbers. Objectively you could make the argument that Trump maybe less popular due to so many Republicans fleeing the party since he became president. yeah polling is super suspect right now bc representative demos are a complete wild card. Basing it on normal demographics is probably the worst because Trump post election defectors are highly unlikely to admit that they're republicans. 2016 turnout is bad too because minorities stayed home. Also RV and LV screens vs full population is a total wild card
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FilthyImp posted:Lol that the megabrain founders included no mechanisms for "well what if they decide to just not do their jobs?" That's why we have elections
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oxsnard posted:yeah polling is super suspect right now bc representative demos are a complete wild card. Basing it on normal demographics is probably the worst because Trump post election defectors are highly unlikely to admit that they're republicans. 2016 turnout is bad too because minorities stayed home. Also RV and LV screens vs full population is a total wild card I was looking pure approval ratings, which has been incredibly steady.
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oxsnard posted:y'all do realize that the senate is going to acquit, the SC is going to force Trump to release financial records and then those records are still not going to get released? It's because there is no repercussion for it as the Senate and DOJ are fully under trump's control if the SC upholds the subpoenas, as they should, lower civil courts are going to start runner stamping civil penalties for non compliance (if the various entities with the records don't unilaterally comply without being forced)
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Djarum posted:I was looking pure approval ratings, which has been incredibly steady. Something happened to the polls starting in December 2017, when the tax cut happened. They were wildly volatile before then and then they climbed to where they are today and have just sat there. The tax cuts were and are not wildly popular bc most people didn't really see much difference, the market has barfed twice since and a bunch of motherfucking crazy rear end poo poo has happened but they've stayed remarkably steady since. My guess is that there's a systemic error in the polls and they're catching the die hard Trumpers and oversampling them by self selection (Republicans sick of Trump stopped answering) or demographic errors, e.g. correcting for party. Don't get me wrong, I'm guessing they should be flat because no one is changing their mind at this point, but I think the actual approval levels at this point are probably closer to the December 17 bottom and steady
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FilthyImp posted:Lol that the megabrain founders included no mechanisms for "well what if they decide to just not do their jobs?" But today if you're not in some wingnut militia or something you're unlikely to feel the same way. So we've (mostly) successfully pushed political violence out of the mainstream. For domestic issues at least. But we haven't implemented any of the various parliamentary devices invented in the past couple hundred years to help democracies deal with this kind of thing.
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SubG posted:It doesn't just make sense, we've seen it in action, recently, and we can break it down step-by-step. Or at least unless we accept Roger Stone's wild-rear end counter-conspiracy theories or whatever. Wikileaks was actively working as a cutout for Russian intelligence and members of the Trump campaign and administration were active consumers of the content that was being funneled to them. There was never a moment in any of it when there was a Do You Want To Collaborate With The Russians [Y/N] prompt came up or anything. It was just that one side had a problem and the other side was peddling something that looked like a solution. I just want to say thanks for a really compressed way of phrasing something I've been trying to articulate for awhile to someone irl. Well put, dude. Cheers.
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unnoticed posted:How much of a say does John Roberts have in all this? Like since he's presiding is it really up to him on calling witnesses? It's his choice to sign off on a subpoena or not. If he refuses, he can be overruled by 51 votes. He can't call any witnesses himself.
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